Autopsy Swans by 27 over GWS the 2nd quarter to be watched ad infinitum

[Ticky009]

 

[The King!]

I would say the points you mentioned would fall under the pressure acts which he is currently the lowest amongst all of the non tall forwards. I think also as you mentioned he really hasn't had anyone below him saying pick me. In the last 4 or so weeks, Parker (suspended), Hanily (new), Corey Warner (returning from injruy), Konstanty (not outstanding in 2s). I think in the next week or two his spot is going to come under question and think that a change to the sub role to give him the kick up the but or even a game or two in the 2s would be best for him.

Lets put Parker aside he is a different kettle of fish.

I think there is 0 chance the others you mention take Wicks spot , who is playing his role.

Warner for instance has had a crack at AFL and done nothing .

But look let's agree to disagree , don't want to derail the thread, it's a nice problem to have, Or I am just sleepy.

I think Wicks needs to hit the scoreboard more that would help.

 

[Ticky009]

I'll be a little bit pissed off if match committee doesn't look at improving the mix because we're winning and we then get rolled by Carlton on the big day because they get a ride and we can't find a way to dominate

Very pissed

I'm not sure what you're trying to say? How is this relevant?

 

[Nool Carpenna]

Think it's quite an achievement to have kicked 10 goals unanswered in consecutive weeks.

On the Parker for Wicks debate, and I'm certainly not advocating for it, but I'd love to see just how lively Parker could be in F50, freed of an exhaustive pummelling at stoppages every minute or two.

 

[Kbroome]

Lets put Parker aside he is a different kettle of fish.

I think there is 0 chance the others you mention take Wicks spot , who is playing his role.

Warner for instance has had a crack at AFL and done nothing .

But look let's agree to disagree , don't want to derail the thread, it's a nice problem to have, Or I am just sleepy.

I think Wicks needs to hit the scoreboard more that would help.

Yep i think that you hit the nail on the head that if there was someone obvious to switch with Wicks they would have and its more of wingers or on ballers in the twos that can play the small forward role that have a chance at replacing him atm.

 

[Dan87]

I'm not sure what you're trying to say? How is this relevant?

Winning isn't enough you need to find ways to get better

 

[The King!]

Winning isn't enough you need to find ways to get better

True .

You are probably right at some point they will think they need to get some minutes into others, freshen key players if we have the luxury.

Obvious one would be rest Grundy and get Ladhams some game time ?

 

[Ticky009]

Winning isn't enough you need to find ways to get better

Again, how it is relevant to this thread?

 

[Dan87]

Again, how it is relevant to this thread?

What?

People on this page are talking about players being safe because we're winning

 

[Kbroome]

Again, how it is relevant to this thread?

I think its a reference to the Wicks debate and how we could potentially improve that area of the ground even when we are winning by 5-6 goals each week

 

[Ticky009]

I think its a reference to the Wicks debate and how we could potentially improve that area of the ground even when we are winning by 5-6 goals each week

Think that talk can now be taken to one of the other discussion threads and its taking over the Autopsy and seems to running in circles.

 

[Olian]

I've said several times that Mills and Parker at the least should come in for Roberts/Campbell and Wicks.

Parker dominated in the reserves and I would have brought him back for the first Giants game. Everything went pear shaped with his suspension but I don't think you can say that he wouldn't offer more than Wicks is as a full time forward.

Mills is more than a chance - he will walk back into the side.

Fox im not quite as high on as some others, and I was stoked to see Cleary debut but I don't think his selection this week over Fox returning from injury is necessarily a reflection of a change in the pecking order.

Just feels like you are wanting to add players out of their position and paying disregard to the players who have been part of a successful side. Wicks plays his role well. Parker in 2023 was a midfielder not a small forward. Parker in 2024 is an unknown.

Mills gets back in but Parker will have to wait. I’d rather Roberts over Fox.

 

[Kbroome]

Think that talk can now be taken to one of the other discussion threads and its taking over the Autopsy and seems to running in circles.

Very fair this thread should be more about how atleast I didn't see Rowbottom having a case of leather poisoning

 

[Olian]

We need to be ten goals better than Carlton or Collingwood

People need to get this

We played GWS?

 

[The King!]

Watch Horse's presser 8 mins in, question on Amartey , but sort of applies to a lot of the players

 

[Swannie0307]

I liked ‘roaming Logan’ today … thought he played a more valuable role overall

While he hasn't yet mastered contested marking (or crashing & bashing) in the forward line, today he showed he can be a bit of a jack of all trades around the ground.

Wonder if the coaches will continue this going forward?

 

[Dubai Quacker]

Agree that Parker isn't the answer. Wicks brings manic pressure and is much faster than Parker. I think they are two different types of players so you can't swap them.
Maybe Campbell could replace Wicks but I'm not sure he is the answer either.
I can't tell from the TV, but I wonder if Campbell is playing the low-possession lockdown role on a particular small forward. Can anybody tell me if he was given a task on someone?

I just don’t get this “manic pressure” mantra when it comes to Wicks.

4 possessions, 2 tackles, no goals.

Surely getting the ball and kicking it is better than chasing the bloke who has it?

I might be too harsh, or be missing something entirely - but I feel a small forward needs to get the ball & kick the odd goal.

Otherwise, it’s like watching a dog chase seagulls.

But …. we’re winning & if Horse reckons he’s doing the job - fair enough! I don’t see anyone else at the moment that is demanding selection in that role.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

I hate to single you out specifically but ill say it overall i think the bolded segment is where all the mystical Wicks does this and that and therefore can't be dropped comes from.

Lets look at the stats from 2023 and 2024:

1%s:
2023: 0.8
2024: 0.6

FK Differential:
2023: -0.5
2024: -0.6

Spoils:
2023: 0.2
2024: 0.2

Pressure Acts:
2023: 18.4
2024: 11.3

Tackles I50:
2023: 2.1
2024: 0.8

Tackles:
2023: 5.4
2024: 1.8

SI %:
2023: 20.7%
2024: 16.3%

SIs:
2023: 4.6
2024: 4.5

Goal Assists:
2023: 1.0
2024: 0.8

Goals:
2023: 0.9
2024: 0.7

Shots:
2023: 1.7
2024: 1.0

Also those stats don't include the limited game he had today

EDIT: Forgot to include his improvement in Goal kicking which is the only major improvement from 2023:

Accuracy:
2023: 52.6%
2024: 72.7%

Your posts will have more gravitas when you realise the positional difference between HFF and inside and outside mids.

Corey Warner has barely shown a positive sign in his games in the seniors.

 

[Kbroome]

Your posts will have more gravitas when you realise the positional difference between HFF and inside and outside mids.

Corey Warner has barely shown a positive sign in his games in the seniors.

A midfielder kicked 3 goals and 23 touches. A forward had 5 touches and no goals. Even Cleary did better than Wicks and he played only a quarter and he was a midfielder in the 2s and played as a small half forward in the 1s

 

[robbieando]

A midfielder kicked 3 goals and 23 touches. A forward had 5 touches and no goals. Even Cleary did better than Wicks and he played only a quarter and he was a midfielder in the 2s and played as a small half forward in the 1s

VFL stats are not relevant to how a player will perform at senior level. Corey Warner is a classic example of this.

Corey Warner has kicked 1.4 from 28 disposals over five games at AFL level mainly played as a small forward.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

For me I am more forgiving of The Chad when he burns team mates coz as often as not he pulls off the mercurial. Corey does not pull off the mercurial.

I would suggest Kbroome you watch, pay close attention to and think about Longmire’s presser.

 

[Kbroome]

VFL stats are not relevant to how a player will perform at senior level. Corey Warner is a classic example of this.

Corey Warner has kicked 1.4 from 28 disposals over five games at AFL level mainly played as a small forward.

Tbf to Corey out of his 5 games 3 have been as sub and he is averaging a shot every 5.6 disposals. Wicks is getting a shot roughly every 8-10 touches depending on the season we are referencing.

 

[robbieando]

Tbf to Corey out of his 5 games 3 have been as sub and he is averaging a shot every 5.6 disposals. Wicks is getting a shot roughly every 8-10 touches depending on the season we are referencing.

Corey has 45% or more TOG in 4 of the 5 games that he has played. He has had plenty of chances to prove himself as a small forward including when he kicked 3 behinds against Essendon in Round Two from 11 disposals, but showed no composure to kick any goals that night.

He is a winger, not someone we can shoehorn into the team as a small forward.

 

[Kbroome]

For me I am more forgiving of The Chad when he burns team mates coz as often as not he pulls off the mercurial. Corey does not pull off the mercurial.

I would suggest Kbroome you watch, pay close attention to and think about Longmire’s presser.

I just re-watched the post game press conference of Longmire and not once did he mention Wicks however he did mention about the versatility of Cleary being able to play in the midfield in the 2s and small forward for the 1s. Chad and Corey are obviously at different stages of their development and it is pretty damn obvious to me and many others that you don't watch the 1s game because Corey was BOG in it and was pretty unpredictable with his 3 goals including 1 where he acted as the small forward.

 

[robbieando]

I just re-watched the post game press conference of Longmire and not once did he mention Wicks however he did mention about the versatility of Cleary being able to play in the midfield in the 2s and small forward for the 1s. Chad and Corey are obviously at different stages of their development and it is pretty damn obvious to me and many others that you don't watch the 1s game because Corey was BOG in it and was pretty unpredictable with his 3 goals including 1 where he acted as the small forward.

Unc has watched more football from both levels of the club than you have.

We aren’t going to be making changes for change sake.

 

[Kbroome]

Corey has 45% or more TOG in 4 of the 5 games that he has played. He has had plenty of chances to prove himself as a small forward including when he kicked 3 behinds against Essendon in Round Two from 11 disposals, but showed no composure to kick any goals that night.

He is a winger, not someone we can shoehorn into the team as a small forward.

Well even with his average tog of 54.5% this year he was averaging more Pressure Acts than that of Wicks until tonight it is currently 11.5 per game compared to 11.9. He has also had 2 scoring shots per game compared to Wick's 1. So doesn't this prove that Warner even though he is a winger in the 2s he is versatile enough to play the small forward pressure forward role better than that of Wicks?