Analysis Centre Bounce/Wing Attendance Megathread 2024

[Dalions]

Its not exactly our strength in picking subs that can impact in a lot of different roles. Bruce is probably one of the best options in he can be thrown into multiple roles as the game requires.

AhChee another who would be able to come on in multiple positions.
Lincs injury has probably helped him maintain his position in the team this year.

Zorko may be a good option to be played as sub next year as a 36 yr old?
I doubt he plays most games as sub though, just for 1 every now and then to keep him fresh.

 

[Nathan Barley]

I still think people expect too much from the sub. It's just a backup position. Rarely do they have much of an influence and usually they don't get selected in the 22 because they're not that good

 

[Section 5]

Its actually one of the better ways to watch the game and see how different plays occur. Although I get it sucks for this analysis

Analyzing the game for coaches with "goal to goal" is a given.
I believe clubs have all sorts of vision angles available to them.

Where you view the game from is an individual preference though.
We humans are a strange bunch.
I will guarantee posters on BF prefer different positions to view the game from.
My preference is pretty much where i am seated at the Gabba now, see image below.
I have changed seating only three times. Originally on the lower level and now on the upper level.
I am in section 424.
But that is at the Gabba.
Viewing from other grounds especially the MCG would be completely different.
Only been to the MCG once for last years GF.
Back row lower level did not like the seats at all.
But it was the GF so the atmosphere was great and sat next to Mal Michael. The final result not so much.

 

[Section 5]

I still think people expect too much from the sub. It's just a backup position. Rarely do they have much of an influence and usually they don't get selected in the 22 because they're not that good

Completely agree.
It is only there to even the numbers up in case of concussion/injury.
The Pies sent their sub on with just 45 seconds to go last week and it was not because of injury.
Hopefully next year it is gone and have 5 on the bench.

 

[Dalions]

Completely agree.
It is only there to even the numbers up in case of concussion/injury.
The Pies sent their sub on with just 45 seconds to go last week and it was not because of injury.
Hopefully next year it is gone and have 5 on the bench.

It’s a pretty rare event for a sub to come in for any team and have an immediate impact.
I could see a fresh Zorko coming on late in games next year with an immediate impact.
As he is an impact player.
But I also doubt he would be open to this as a semi permanent type of gig.

 

[Nathan Barley]

It’s a pretty rare event for a sub to come in for any team and have an immediate impact.
I could see a fresh Zorko coming on late in games next year with an immediate impact.
As he is an impact player.
But I also doubt he would be open to this as a semi permanent type of gig.

At the same time, if your team is good enough to have a fit, in form Zorko as the sub there wouldn't be many times you need him to come on and have an impact

 

[Dalions]

At the same time, if your team is good enough to have a fit, in form Zorko as the sub there wouldn't be many times you need him to come on and have an impact

Does he get pushed out of the backline next year though? With Kiddy coming back in and still wanting to play the youth we have been running through there this year, McKenna could come back fitter next year for 1 last shot.
Or does Zorko go back forward and push out someone like Lohmann or AhChee or both with McCarthy also back into the fold at some stage next year?
Serious questions.
And we also need to be looking at the longer term, which this year has proved that we may have the players there without him as a permanent fixture.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Does he get pushed out of the backline next year though? With Kiddy coming back in and still wanting to play the youth we have been running through there this year, McKenna could come back fitter next year for 1 last shot.
Or does Zorko go back forward and push out someone like Lohmann or AhChee or both with McCarthy also back into the fold at some stage next year?
Serious questions.
And we also need to be looking at the longer term, which this year has proved that we may have the players there without him as a permanent fixture.

Wilmot to the wing and Zorko and Kiddy the rebounding small backs?

A few options

 

[Dalions]

Wilmot to the wing and Zorko and Kiddy the rebounding small backs?

A few options

There will be a selection squeeze on next year no doubt, especially with another Ashcroft on the way.
Even more so if the ACL boys come back in good form.

 

[M Malice]

Wilmot to the wing and Zorko and Kiddy the rebounding small backs?

A few options

Zorko and Coleman as exit options out of the back half will be bloody hard to stop.

 

[ZoBlitz]

Well at least I don't have to watch the misses when I spool through. Sharpy the perfect sub for an early Berry exit, position-wise.

The weird thing I noticed this week was one of the umps seemingly trying to get in the way of the wingers by basically standing straight in front of them prior to the bounce on a few occasions in the second half for whatever reason.

 

[Nathan Barley]

4 centre clearances in the first, 3 in the next 3 quarters combined

 

[Section 5]

4 centre clearances in the first, 3 in the next 3 quarters combined

The numbers are low enough without taking away 1
4 in the last 3 quarters

 

[ZoBlitz]

Nothing too exciting this week and some very clear camera angles which was lovely.

 

[mpal6]

Interesting thing I noticed if there was a stoppage bounce then Berry tried to go to Merrett. It seems we are starting to acknowledge the need to clamp down opposition top line mids by balancing Berry's time across wing and stoppage.

 

[ZoBlitz]

Bailey's the third winger this week with Cal playing forward. No real surprises beyond that.

 

[Section 5]

Bailey and Cal appear to swap in recent games.
I suppose it is to do with what the MC/Fagan think the best matchup is.
Cal may do a defensive job on a particular opposition halfback when forward.
Also, may have to do with who we play in defense Payne or Joyce.
Cal may play wing and help out more in defense if Joyce plays.

 

[KissKiss]

Cal seems to have become the default guy to drop into the backline as a spare late in quarters. Dropping him out of the wing rotation might help save him for that effort

 

[ZoBlitz]

Well I guess I can rewatch this, if I have to...

Interesting that Bailey was starting winger for the first three quarters which hasn't happened since 2023. Also first time I've recorded Hipwood on the wing so something went askew on our setup there.

When Logan was subbed out, I assume Bailey moved to mainly play forward, Wilmot shifted to play wing and McKenna replaced him in defence. Wilmot might have also set a record for the most number of attendances in a row (12), all on the same side.

In the third quarter Ashcroft also moved more inside for the rest of the game.

 

[dlanod]

Interesting that Bailey was starting winger for the first three quarters which hasn't happened since 2023. Also first time I've recorded Hipwood on the wing so something went askew on our setup there.

There was a 6/6/6 warning at one point I think, so it might have been a panic rearrangement to avoid that or in reaction to that.

 

[Section 5]

The most interesting part is 13 for Wilmot in the 2nd half.
Will have to watch his game on the replay.
We played better in the 2nd half but Wilmot only had 1 disposal in the 2nd half. Full game: 2, 6, 0, 1
Maybe Fletcher went to defense at times?
McKenna i assume went to defense in the last.

 

[twhowler]

The most interesting part is 13 for Wilmot in the 2nd half.
Will have to watch his game on the replay.
We played better in the 2nd half but Wilmot only had 1 disposal in the 2nd half. Full game: 2, 6, 0, 1
Maybe Fletcher went to defense at times?
McKenna i assume went to defense in the last.

Anyone able to look at Wilmot's TOG in the second half? Thought we was good in the first half and yet i noticed he started the second half on the bench and spent a while there, i wonder if something was up?

 

[Section 5]

Anyone able to look at Wilmot's TOG in the second half? Thought we was good in the first half and yet i noticed he started the second half on the bench and spent a while there, i wonder if something was up?

I can't find the breakup of TOG quarter by quarter.
All i can find is his TOG was 70% v GWS and his season average is 80%
His previous 3 weeks were 92, 82, 77% TOG

 

[ZoBlitz]

I can't find the breakup of TOG quarter by quarter.
All i can find is his TOG was 70% v GWS and his season average is 80%
His previous 3 weeks were 92, 82, 77% TOG

You can break down a range of different stats by quarter using the AFL mobile app, which is how I record the CBAs, clearances etc.

Wilmot's TOG by quarter, according to the app, was - 53, 93, 86, 53 which seems a little wacky but seems to average out in the right general area.

The only Lions player who didn't get a rest at some point? Joe.

 

[Section 5]

You can break down a range of different stats by quarter using the AFL mobile app, which is how I record the CBAs, clearances etc.

Wilmot's TOG by quarter, according to the app, was - 53, 93, 86, 53 which seems a little wacky but seems to average out in the right general area.

The only Lions player who didn't get a rest at some point? Joe.

I must be going blind as i did look at the AFL app.
All i could see was under general play 99 minutes of 141 minutes which is 70%
When i chose quarter by quarter the same figure appears

I just go to the game stats (via Matches middle of screen) do you get it from hitting stats at the bottom right of the screen.
I will need some help as i found my way via stats, found SF, then tapped on TOG (70%) and that just leads me to a graft for the year. It does have more stats than the "game stats" area though.
It is probably looking me in the face but i can't find it.

I usually use my 23-inch PC to locate stats as i find it way easier to look at in my old age than the 6-inch phone screen
Maybe another coffee will help.