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No the top 4 teams references the H&A ladder. The top 4 teams on the H&A ladder get the reward of a finals double chance and play each other in the two QFs. It is pretty simple

That's what I thought when Carlton fans claim that the AFL creates a new ladder so they could pretend that Carlton have had a top 4 finish in the 21st century!!

Yep Carlton were gifted a top VFL country zone by former Carlton president Sir Kenneth. They unsurprisingly had a 20 year glory period from - 1968 to 1987. Once they had to compete without an advantage they have been the worst team in the AFL. Melbourne had a dominant 25 year glory period in...

?? Who wrote that? Your logic seems to be that Port were the 2nd best team because they finished 2nd on the H&A ladder. The reality is Port got a soft H&A fixture that enabled them to finish 2nd on the H&A ladder. They were then shown up in finals by a "weaker" team. Unlike the 1960s, the...

The ladder is no longer a reflection of "who is better", instead which teams were lucky enough to get an easier fixture. Port got the softest H&A fixture in 2024, but a Carlton fan thinks they were the 2nd best team because of where they finished on the ladder.

If you haven't figured it out yet, the ladder is compromised based on different H&A fixtures. Port weren't the 2nd best team last year, but they got easiest H&A fixture and turned that into 2nd on the H&A ladder. Only Carlton fans think getting Port twice was a harder H&A match-up than getting...

Unlike Carlton's glory VFL era in the 1960s, teams no longer have the same H&A fixture where they play all other teams twice. So yes in 2024, Carlton got 4 games and 4 wins against historically inept teams and the Pies only played 2 games for 2 wins against them. Why would a Pie fan care that...

Pies 2-0

No gotcha, you confirmed just another boring Bagger who sets timelines to start in the 1960s. Yes Sir Kenneth Luke gave you a cushy zone, and you had a golden era in the 60s and 70s. Hope you were old enough to remember it. Boring pissweak rinse and repeat banter that has no relevance to...

Where it counted?? HTH ain't where it counts?

Thought you were better than the rinse and repeat crusty old Bagger trolls. What happened 60 years ain't more relevant than what happened 100 years ago...both ancient history, and pissweak boring banter. Keep it modern or talk full timelines.

Had a poor year by our standards. But still beat Carlton twice

You another Bagger who thinks footy only started in the 1960s? Boring piss weak banter

Thread is back on track with the usual rinse and repeat focus on the VFL era of 50 and 60 years ago. Glory days indeed

For a human 🤣 Tall tales indeed 😜

Or DeGoey 2018 prelim mode.

Yep, JDG is def the barometer. In 2024 he was well below his best and the team was significantly poorer as a result. It was a combination of injuries and just not working hard enough without the ball. Hope we do a 50/50 type forward midfield split for JDG to manage him. Give some midfield time...

Long John himself never averaged 270m in the mid 90s. Worms tall tales must make for fun story time

"Long John" Daly was driving 250-260m back in mid 90s and was the stand-out distance driver on the PGA tour. FMD - Bagger fans and their vivid memories of former glories. Time for a gif

For ALL clubs, a player is eligible if his father played 100 or more senior games for the respective club. Adelaide have picked up Jarman, Edwards and Welsh as sons of Adelaide Crows players who played 100 games. But despite being in the AFL for almost 35 years now, Adelaide still get to also...

Not sure about the bolded. It is great to add a quality player, but still think DeGoey/Moore are first in line after Naicos. Re italics, we need to improve the team if we want to win a premiership, simply hoping a kid steps up to fill Noble's role wouldn't improve the team. Houston was younger...

?? In 2024, Pies had 10 players play more than 20 games and only 2 were over 30. Markov isn't even on the 2025 main list. The Pies had less of the 2018 PF team on the 2024 list than the Tigers did. In 23-24 it has been J. Daicos x 2, N.Daicos x 2, Cameron and Mitchell with top5 best and...

Richmond had been pretty ordinary post covid. 2021 a 9 win season 2022 a 13 win season 2023 a 10 win season And then the wheels fell off in 2024, and all the B grade guys in the prime have jumped ship. Many said the same thing about the Pies list at end of 2021, too reliant on the same old...

Collingwood core is a bit different to Richmond. The old brigade lead by - Pendles, Sidey and Crisp - are still contributing, but they were the core of the 2018-19 teams who challenged the Tigers. The core of the 2025 team will be the guys born 95-01 age range of 24-30 and N.Daicos. McStay...

If you can draft 1-2 good kids per draft going ok. Having early picks helps, which we haven't had (by choice). 2019 was a bust 2020 looks good (but Henry and Poulter playing at other clubs). 2021 looks good 2022 and 2023 too early to tell

Need some stats to confirm.

It is what makes Mason so good. Our 20th something player, who has stood up multiple times and impacted big finals. Carlton would love to have a proven key forward who could kick 3 goals in a quarter in a final.

Need to see more stats for Adam "1/2 as good as Frampton in 2024 according to the coaches" Cerra and how mediocre he is. So many stats, so little impact.

No shame in only being half as good as Frampton according to the coaches in 2024. Frampton is Cox' back-up, Moore's help if needed and a premiership FF, an all rounder.

Frampton 2 Cerra 1 Cox 0 All battlers really. But Cox lifts in big finals, unlike Adam "1/2 as good as Frampton in 2024" Cerra.