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This board is nuts. I know the responses I will get to this already but I just want to remind people that you don't get to two GFs in three years by being a shite club with shite coaches, shite list managers, shite players.

Correct. That's one reason why we need to start building some depth with good kids in this draft.

Konstanty was getting delisted. Melts over not getting anything for him is peak BF.

I know and I'm glad. Just trying to get others to see it that way too.

I think he gets most of those tackles in stoppage situations. Definitely doesn't run hard the other way.

And Stringer won't help that.

1. We need more defensive pressure in our forward half. 2. We should trade for Stringer. These are mutually exclusive statements. edit: for clarity - I don't want us to bring in Stringer.

Rant is strong. Post is great.

This guy has a good strike rate.

There is no evidence of this. People want a reason for failure. Something or someone to pin blame on. Longmire is the easiest target and probably rightfully so as he is the head coach. He is accountable but there is no evidence to suggest that he is unfair to players and that has created...

I can’t argue that the GF loss was not embarrassing. It was. So was 2022. We have also won so many high pressure prelims. It doesn’t make sense. However, reading this thread, you would assume we have won several wooden spoons given how bad people think we are at drafting, trading, and coaching.

We have a terrible coach, our drafting strategy is rubbish, and we are so weak when trading in and out players. It really is a wonder how we have managed to win so many games, make finals, be minor premiers.

It's really hard to filter through the rubbish. I keep popping in every now and then and it is mostly the same few messages being repeated as nauseum. I think this summarises it: 1. We need to get a second rounder for Parker or we are terrible traders. 2. Our list is terrible 3. Whoever we...

Unsure. I haven't visited for a while. It was pretty good for a few years but the Rowbottom bashing was actually one reason I stopped going. Anyway, off topic.....

Correct. We are not refusing Parker an extra few years at another club while keeping 700k on our books because we don't get a 2nd round draft pick.

I'm pretty confident that he had an account on RWO for a while where all he did was lay the boot into Rowie. That poster got booted eventually. Quite sad to have a vendetta against one player.

Two points: 1. We trade him for these two reasons: i. Salary cap relief ii. Respect to Luke 2. We will use pick 43 if we get that. We will even use a later pick if that is the case in pick swaps.

You can keep saying it but it doesn't mean that it will happen.

It gives us better flexibility to front end current contracts in 2025 allowing more space for signings in the future.

We aren't getting a 2nd. Best to lower your expectations now. Instead we are freeing up significant salary space.

Lower your expectations

I'm happy to be corrected but I didn't think that Kinnear had been the main draft "selector" for some time. He's the list manager but talent ID has been Dalrymple and now Chris Keane.

It hurts but we have to be careful not to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

It's going to be so hard having a decent debate on this board for so long. We could be undefeated next year with all players dominating and the default response will be "but they will choke on GF day". We may as well trade out all 23 players and build our team around Will Brodie, Sam Frost, and...

When is the Bib Skilton Medal?

It sounds bad but I felt better about life last year when we lost to Carlton in an elimination final than I do right now. It may not be logical but that is the truth.

Everyone deserves to be whoever they want. Be angry. Be emotional. Be disappointed. Be pessimistic. Be optimistic. Be whatever the **** you want. It sucks. It could be worse. Next year could be great. Right now for me it sucks.

I have no tickets.

Grundy has no excuses. I fully expect him to have a massive influence especially as the game gets into the second half.

Agree. I'd love to see Rowy be given freedom at centre bounce to hunt the clearance. He can become more defensive post clearance.