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    Current Murder of Luke Davies & Jesse Baird AFL Goal Umpire & ex Ch 10 Presenter * Stalker Cop Charged

    Family members of slain Network 10 reporter Jesse Baird fought back tears as they said goodbye to their much-loved brother and son in front of hundreds of mourners at a colourful memorial in Melbourne. The popular and charismatic Studio 10 presenter, 26, and his new partner, Qantas flight...
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    Current Murder of Luke Davies & Jesse Baird AFL Goal Umpire & ex Ch 10 Presenter * Stalker Cop Charged

    The tarp was first, and I thought that’s odd. On the right hand side of the road, then up a bit saw the doona insert.
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    Current Murder of Luke Davies & Jesse Baird AFL Goal Umpire & ex Ch 10 Presenter * Stalker Cop Charged

    Not walking, driving quite slowly. There were roadworks and traffic. It was just odd, maybe not connected though. But who knows.
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    Current Murder of Luke Davies & Jesse Baird AFL Goal Umpire & ex Ch 10 Presenter * Stalker Cop Charged

    Does anyone know what colour the tarps were? Saw a tarp and a dark red stained doona infill just before the turn off on my way to Canberra earlier in the week. Odd sighting.
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    Samantha Murphy Ballarat * Patrick Orren Stephenson Charged With Murder

    A military friend was explaining to me its uses in relation to forecasting military movements. Haven’t heard about it being used in law enforcement, but could imagine it is at least being looked into.
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    Samantha Murphy Ballarat * Patrick Orren Stephenson Charged With Murder

    What you’ve described is quantum computing (being able to plot movements) and I’ve also heard calls can be dictated/searched for keywords automatically through AI.
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    Samantha Murphy Ballarat * Patrick Orren Stephenson Charged With Murder

    As you suggest, she may of not had it set up. It seems automatic for anyone over the age of 55 though, and you need to enter your age into the app when you set it up.
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    Samantha Murphy Ballarat * Patrick Orren Stephenson Charged With Murder

    If Apple Watch detects a hard fall, it can help connect you to the emergency services if needed. Here’s how it works If Apple Watch SE, Apple Watch Series 4 or later, or Apple Watch Ultra or later detects a hard fall while you’re wearing your watch, it will tap you on the wrist, sound an alarm...
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    Current Murder of Luke Davies & Jesse Baird AFL Goal Umpire & ex Ch 10 Presenter * Stalker Cop Charged

    I’ve known police officers to do this in Europe, they moonlight and join the security detail as requested. But have only see them do it out of uniform, off duty but still carrying in case of an emergency.
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    Current Murder of Luke Davies & Jesse Baird AFL Goal Umpire & ex Ch 10 Presenter * Stalker Cop Charged

    Hold on a second, what day did LC buy the second surfboard bag? Because this article says 2 surfboard bags seen on Monday night… and the housemates inspected it close enough to touch the bags….
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    Current Murder of Luke Davies & Jesse Baird AFL Goal Umpire & ex Ch 10 Presenter * Stalker Cop Charged

    I wonder if LC stalked Luke at all, considering Jesse tagged him on his IG. I can’t imagine LC didn’t know who Luke was at all. Lots of unanswered questions.
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    Current Murder of Luke Davies & Jesse Baird AFL Goal Umpire & ex Ch 10 Presenter * Stalker Cop Charged

    Initial charges yes, without evidence. The job now of the police is to find evidence to corroborate those charges and then take it to court for a final determination. Judge/jury decides not the police. See above what happens if the evidence conflicts with the charges.
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    Current Murder of Luke Davies & Jesse Baird AFL Goal Umpire & ex Ch 10 Presenter * Stalker Cop Charged

    In a court case, if it’s hard to prove murder due to lack of evidence of premeditation beyond a reasonable doubt (an extremely high bar)… sometimes DPP goes for manslaughter instead. Nothing worse than trying to charge someone with murder but they don’t reach the conviction and the whole case...
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    Current Murder of Luke Davies & Jesse Baird AFL Goal Umpire & ex Ch 10 Presenter * Stalker Cop Charged

    Legally no, it cannot. Anyway, I’ve got other things to do. Wait for more evidence to come out and then the picture will be clearer on what charges DPP will press. There is definitely one murder charge, the latter will be based on what further evidence comes out. Hoping Luke gets justice.
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    Current Murder of Luke Davies & Jesse Baird AFL Goal Umpire & ex Ch 10 Presenter * Stalker Cop Charged

    Intent is established by actions of premeditation silly
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    Current Murder of Luke Davies & Jesse Baird AFL Goal Umpire & ex Ch 10 Presenter * Stalker Cop Charged

    Remember that ‘crime of passion’ term, that was also manslaughter lingo. But thankfully it had now been established LC had intention/mens rea to kill Jesse = clear murder charge. Unfortunately Luke’s is not due to all the information coming out about lack of intention/planning etc. Bar is also...
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    Current Murder of Luke Davies & Jesse Baird AFL Goal Umpire & ex Ch 10 Presenter * Stalker Cop Charged

    Depends why he snaps, there is a defence called battered wife syndrome. Gets people off completely from a manslaughter charge under self defence. It’s law, there is lots of wiggle room and technicalities in these cases depending on what actually happened. Not sure why you’re taking your...
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    Current Murder of Luke Davies & Jesse Baird AFL Goal Umpire & ex Ch 10 Presenter * Stalker Cop Charged

    Police said sign of struggle in their press conference.
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    Current Murder of Luke Davies & Jesse Baird AFL Goal Umpire & ex Ch 10 Presenter * Stalker Cop Charged

    For manslaughter yes. If you are going for a murder charge, you need to establish beyond a reasonable doubt mens rea/premeditation/intention to enter the premises is to kill specific person etc Not sure what you’re not following on this.
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    Current Murder of Luke Davies & Jesse Baird AFL Goal Umpire & ex Ch 10 Presenter * Stalker Cop Charged

    That’s a guess, you don’t know how the room was left. And it will be up to police to detail what actually happened.
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    Current Murder of Luke Davies & Jesse Baird AFL Goal Umpire & ex Ch 10 Presenter * Stalker Cop Charged

    My comments are based on Australian law, the jurisdiction the case is behind heard in.
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    Current Murder of Luke Davies & Jesse Baird AFL Goal Umpire & ex Ch 10 Presenter * Stalker Cop Charged

    Even reckless indifference doesn’t fit the bill on this one, in NSW it is described as: Reckless indifference to human life is characterised by the awareness of the probability (as opposed to possibility) of the accused’s act resulting in a person’s death (as opposed to merely resulting in...
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    Current Murder of Luke Davies & Jesse Baird AFL Goal Umpire & ex Ch 10 Presenter * Stalker Cop Charged

    I’m sorry, but premeditation is the difference between murder and manslaughter.
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    Current Murder of Luke Davies & Jesse Baird AFL Goal Umpire & ex Ch 10 Presenter * Stalker Cop Charged

    Self defence is also a defence - and there were signs of struggle too.
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    Current Murder of Luke Davies & Jesse Baird AFL Goal Umpire & ex Ch 10 Presenter * Stalker Cop Charged

    I want LC to get put away for as much time as possible, but it’s clearly been established through media and police reports Luke’s killing was an act of manslaughter.
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    Current Murder of Luke Davies & Jesse Baird AFL Goal Umpire & ex Ch 10 Presenter * Stalker Cop Charged

    Section 18 of NSW Crimes Act defines both: 18 Murder and manslaughter defined In case law, murder has three elements: 1. Intention - mental act/mens rea = foresight of the probable result of your actions (ie planning) 2. Harm done 3. Kills as a result
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    Current Murder of Luke Davies & Jesse Baird AFL Goal Umpire & ex Ch 10 Presenter * Stalker Cop Charged

    This is a NSW definition of manslaughter below. It isn’t double murder, I can assure you. An element to constitute murder is premeditation (planning) and that’s clearly been disproved by the surfboard bag being bought after the fact. And unfortunately manslaughter has all these defences to it...
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    Current Murder of Luke Davies & Jesse Baird AFL Goal Umpire & ex Ch 10 Presenter * Stalker Cop Charged

    You’ve just reiterated my point. NSW does NOT have a mandatory minimum period. My friend’s step father who committed one murder and one manslaughter got out after 12 years with parole. Being in the legal industry I’ve also seen people walk away with 6 months for a manslaughter charge.
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    Current Murder of Luke Davies & Jesse Baird AFL Goal Umpire & ex Ch 10 Presenter * Stalker Cop Charged

    You’ve argued with me all day the second killing was unintended, that means it was manslaughter. Not murder. Murder = premeditated. Hence LC is looking at one murder charge and one manslaughter. Hopefully there are extra charges thrown on him though.
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    Current Murder of Luke Davies & Jesse Baird AFL Goal Umpire & ex Ch 10 Presenter * Stalker Cop Charged

    It’s not a premeditated double murder, the second seems to be manslaughter (wrong place wrong time etc). Hoping I’m wrong and I would expect the judge would know the public would be ropable to let LC off too easily. So hoping they slap some extra charges on him.
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