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I actually had the unfortunate pleasure of Tom Harley inflicting his self-righteousness upon me at a corporate function late last year. I am a die-hard footy fan, and I was dozing off in absolute boredom; those who had no idea about footy were wondering what this clown was talking about...

Conversely, from the same trade period we could look at Jordan Russell. A lot of people were pretty excited by the prospect of a 3rd rounder back then. What a mistake that would have been.....

The Fulham Slug is now the Wimbledon Slug. Awesome venue for watching sport, best in London for AFL by a mile. Although it does get a bit rowdy there after hours, good fun if it's your thing...

I agree with most others here who say that Kouta at his peak was the better player, although to no fault of his own this was only sustained for a very short period. I think at the end of Judds career, he will go down as one of the greatest and will still be talked about in 30 years. Kouta...

great call:thumbsu:

I will also add Nathan Buckley to that list. For much of his earlier career at Collingwood, he was at a very poor team, yet he still performed at an elite level and was a cut above his teammates.

Let's talk about pathetic recent histories shall we.... Carlton wins in the last 16 games = 11 Hawthorn wins in the last 16 games = 3 So tell me; which team looks more pathetic to you?

Forget Collingwood v Fremantle this Friday night, I know which game I will be looking forward to. Richmond v Hawthorn Let's hope the game lives up to the dizzy heights that round 21 in 2004 brought us. Who can forget that day? Joel Bowden and Wayne Campbell running amok for Richmond simply...

Stop smashing the keyboard making random assumptions and watch him play closely and you will see that on form this year he is an A grader. He would be leading our B&F this year by a street and if the season ended now he would have to be seriously considered as AA.

Top post mate:thumbsu: We really are privileged to have this guy in navy blue. People often question his leadership abilities, but he never leaves anything on the field and you cannot ask for much more than that. The knock-on effect this must have on other players cannot be underestimated.

Re: Marc Murphy - Is the gap widening? Just exactly how drunk are you right now?

What an effort that would be for little Cyril.... Imagine if a player managed to win a Brownlow in their 3rd year? Oh wait, Judd did...

By the OP's logic, Richard Tambling or Andrew Walker have more trade value than Ablett...

I really hate this egotistical view from soccer supporters in Australia. Just be cause the AFL is exclusive to Australia, does not make it an inferior product. This moron is deluded if he thinks soccer will "engulf all before it". The US held the world cup in the 90's, I bet peanuts like...

Have you ever seen Richo out on the sauce? I have, he is not as nice as everyone thinks.

I would think Shaun Grigg would have to get one at some stage. He had a bit of an injury scare on the weekend, but hopefully he is ok. Has had a good season with some solid improvements the past month.

Re: You Know Your Playing Carlton When.. Collingwood lose

Well Collingwood love to play the "underdone" card. So I think it is only fair we play it this time. Jamo was comming back from a shoulder injury, he was clearly "underdone". Otherwise you would expect him to bury that little street rat, as he has done in the past.

It is insulting to Murphy to compare his skills to Swan. Might I suggest you watch him more frequently. Rounds 4 and 12 are good starting points for examples of what he can do to ordinary midfields.

Murphy is a brilliant kick, Swan is utterly hopeless.

lol, keep dreaming buddy. Swan can't kick but is a decent player, in the Carazzo mould. Pendlebury is classy, but is a little soft and doesn't like getting his hands dirty. No where near as valuable as Murphy. See: Exhibit A - Round 4 Exhibit B - Yesterday

Wow.....If there are 70 elite midfielders in the competition, all better than Murphy. Then I guess that means Collingwood don't have one midfielder in the top 70. Murphy would be your number 1 midfielder, and I think deep down you know it.

A lot of Murphy's kicks are hacks forward from inside the packs, disposal efficiency is flawed in that respect. A kick into space is deemed 'inefficient'. It is much easier to hit a target when you are skirting outside of the packs with no opposition applying pressure. This is where Pendlebury...

I wouldn't give you Kruezer for those 3 combined....

Settle down buddy. We are all disappointed with this patheitc effort but come on........Some of you guys are starting to sound like Richmond supporters!

Don't be a tool. Far too early for that crap. What more do you expect from a first year ruckmen?

I disagree. It is these sort of players that make your midfield so ordinary. They would just be 'bit' players at best at Geelong.

His bloodline traces back to Victoria though. Probably where he got his talents from....

I was more reffering to consistency over 4 quarters, he is not at peak fitness........yet.

At this early stage, I am fairly confident Carlton got the no. 1 pick right. Rioli is a star, but I think Kruezer will be the more influential player when they are both fully developed. At the time of the draft I wanted Cotchin and was a bit wary of getting a ruckman with the first pick. But...