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  1. mianfei

    Weird football scores

    Hawthorn and Essendon played the same score in the fifth round of 1961. Essendon’s and Brisbane’s are the second greatest deficit in scoring shots by a winning team, Richmond against Fitzroy in 1957 and Geelong against Collingwood in 1977 both won with fifteen fewer scoring shots. The same day...
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    Stats observations

    It was the first out of bounds on the full season, but the record high scoring with 97 points per team per game and no goal tally less than six was mostly due to a very dry and warm winter — the driest in Melbourne since 1950 when Essendon scored 1,942 points. In the more normal (before runaway...
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    The what if thread

    That’s an interesting one because others — including a Carlton fan with whom I was working moving my brother’s furniture during their disastrous 2018 season — said that Carlton’s rise between 2009 and 2011 was entirely due to Judd. However, Michael Malthouse, even possessing such a good record...
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    The what if thread

    Essendon, actually, had beaten Hawthorn by eight goals at Windy Hill in Round 19, so they might well have been able to do it again in the First Semi-Final. The real question is just how good were Hawthorn from Round 21? Their huge wins over injury-sapped Melbourne and a declining Geelong were...
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    Gold Coast - what the hell is happening here?

    10–12 now, which equals their best record so far. Gold Coast have actually passed Footscray for the third-longest finals drought from entering the competition. Footscray took until 1938 after joining in 1925, which is now the fourth-longest. Also joining the VFL in 1925, North Melbourne took...
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    The worst performances ever

    Port in 2011 were utterly appalling, almost as much so as Melbourne two years later. Even given that those were very strong teams, to lose to Collingwood by 138 points with just three shots from the boot, and to Hawthorn by 165 points with just seven total scoring shots, is dreadful. In fact...
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    Waverley Park (VFL Park)

    The issue was always pure road lobby power, nothing more, nothing less. The government, its closely linked allies in the car, metal ore, component and energy corporations, and locals in the area were not willing to drastically cut the roads budget to free money for a rail line that was proposed...
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    Resource Fitzroy Video - Links to moving picture media

    That was the game that saw Fitzroy begin a climb from 1–8 to fifth. Odd that some of St. Kilda’s games from those dark days can be found in full even on YouTube. When I read about the game in The Age a few years ago, one thing I noticed was that a “Rendell” kicked thirteen goals in the...
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    Analysis This is the worst start in our 116-year VFL/AFL history

    In 2007 Richmond was 0–9–1 after ten rounds and 1–12–1 after fourteen (where we are today). So this season is not Richmond’s worst start on record. In 2007 Richmond was 0–10–1 before its first win, and 1–16–1 before its second. Despite the record 157-point loss to Geelong in Round 6, however...
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    Best Ever Games With No Footage

    Amazing round of football all around. Both Carlton and Essendon lost by 100 points, and no footage of any game that day as far as I am aware. The Blues 7.8 against Collingwood (22.20) was the lowest score of the round by a whopping 39 points, and illustrates how Carlton missed the finals in 1977...
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    Discussion Unusual short playing careers

    Melesso had a very odd career even apart from that, and it’s not odd inasmuch as Peter Curtain debuted in the last match at the Junction Oval (and played only two games), while Matthew Ahmat and Ian Kidgell (who played just three senior games) both debuted in the last game played at Windy Hill...
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    Best Ever Games With No Footage

    One I just thought of was Round 20, 1993 Carlton v St. Kilda — the Saints’ first away won over Carlton for twenty-nine years, and without Lockett. Even in wet conditions that did not suit the Blues, it was a surprise. I have no recollection of any footage of that game, even brief highlights...
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    Stats observations

    One other numerical thing I have noted but not discussed is game scores that are best rational approximations of irrational numbers. The fraction 99/70 is well known as a best rational approximation of the square root of 2. There have been nine “root 2 games”: 3 1933 Melbourne 4.1 (25) 7.4...
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    Stats observations

    That actually happened in the SANFL in 1934 and 1935. There is, apart from Glenelg in those two seasons, only one other case of a club falling from a premiership to a wooden spoon in the V/AFL, SANFL or WA(N)FL, and that was Subiaco as far back as 1915 and 1916, a period of course affected by...
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    Stats observations

    It’s possible that the game was unusually short given the very wet conditions. 47 points was the highest score of six games that extremely wet Easter Monday, yet for a full round since 1920 there has never been a lower highest score than 65 points. The disposal totals for the MCG game the same...
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    Weird football scores

    Geelong would experience a reverse turnaround the following week in the first AFL match at the Gabba. They would be on 5.16 (46) at one point, but then blew the Bears away by going from 12.20 (92) to 21.20 (146) in almost even time. However, if we combine the last half of Round 3 and the first...
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    Your club’s best non-premiership year

    St. Kilda in 2004 did begin with a long winning streak and fell off after a shock loss to the Bulldogs when still undefeated, but it was certainly satisfying for the fans after the doldrums of 1999 to 2002. 1991 — after seventeen seasons with a combined record of 101–268–5 — was similarly so...
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    Hawthorn of the 1980's

    The interesting thing is that the Blues’ 1987 premiership team was something like two years younger on average than either their 1982 or 1995 flag teams. In fact, the 1987 Grand Final team had only three players common to that of 1982 — fewer than with their next Grand Final six seasons later...
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    Hawthorn of the 1980's

    I have long thought that Hawthorn’s 1988 team must rank as the best wet weather football side in history — although in dry conditions I could not rate them so highly — and that Carlton did not do badly to get within 21 points of such a great wet weather team in the second semi. All five teams...
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    Your Classic Matches

    From what I have watched, these two stand out: Round 19, 1987, Carlton v Sydney the Blues played the most marvellous man-on-man football to keep a Swans team that had kicked 97 goals in three games to just 3.5 (23) for three quarters. In the last quarter Sydney had (by my calculation) just 10...
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    Opinion Worst Melbourne losses you've seen

    In the 2018 preliminary, Melbourne did actually fire five shots in the first half, according to AFL Tables — unless the five behinds off the boot were not shots aimed at goal. Melbourne undoubtedly had many awful losses through the two decades from 1996 to 2015. So early as 1997, terrible...
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    Amazing coincidences in football

    Essendon actually kicked six goals against Geelong in the first round of 1897. I have not checked who kicked the first, but although there were six goalless scores in 1897 — as many as in the last 121 seasons combined — all eight teams in the first VFL round kicked at least two goals. 1936...
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    Hawthorn Reserves/Box Hill historical stats thread

    I finally got to look at the Football Record here and the Record says on page 6 of 16 that Hawthorn kicked 11-19 (85) rather than 11-29. What’s remarkable about that 10 goal performance in Round 5 is that in the Seniors later that afternoon no team kicked ten goals! The highest score that...
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    Hawthorn Reserves/Box Hill historical stats thread

    According to both Demon Wiki and my old 1986 The Complete Book of VFL Records, Hawthorn actually kicked 11-19 (85) in the last round Reserves game. The inaccurate kicking was replicated in the seniors, and compiler Stephen Rodgers commented on page 258: The Age, however, did give the quite...
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    Adelaide vs Fremantle Rd 15 2009

    St. Kilda in 1961 were previously the last team to achieve this feat: Round 8 v South Melbourne this was the match where Eric Guy famously steamrolled Bob Skilton the Swans finished with 5-16 (46) Round 10 v Footscray the Bulldogs finished with 4-13 (37) Round 16 v Richmond the Tigers...
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    Stats observations

    There is only one other I surnamed player who played in a premiership side — John V. Incoll, who played in two premierships for Collingwood as far back as 1902 and 1903. There are four I surnamed players who played for a runner-up team or in a premiership side during the season: Dean Irving...
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    Weird football scores

    On remarkable case of score replication in the SANFL, which I may have noted earlier: Round 9, 1979 (June 2 at Football Park): South Adelaide 2.2 (14) 7.9 (51) 11.13 (79) 14.19 (103) Sturt 2.4 (16) 4.5 (29) 8.6 (54) 15.6 (96) Round 14, 1989 (July 14 at Adelaide Oval): Sturt 5.1 (31)...
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    Discussion Unusual short playing careers

    Thanks! I was looking for details of this remarkable game! I sometimes joke that the two most notable games ever played at the Junction Oval were Five behinds from five shots is remarkable given that, when back at Glenelg, Churchett became renowned for his accurate kicking. I wonder if that...
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    Discussion Unusual short playing careers

    There were quite a few other well-known footballers from South Australia and Western Australia who played a few games in the VFL during World War II when stationed in Melbourne. Jack Cockburn, who won a Magarey Medal and was a leading player in South Adelaide’s most successful era since 1900...
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