Opinion 13 Premierships Shared Between Just 4 Teams in the Last 17 years

[Swanssince91]

Clarification .........

Swans had already signed Wallace and when they decided to get Roos in, they had to pay Wallace about $600K for that upcoming season even though he didn't coach.

Really? I don't think that is true

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

Um what?

The AFL were furious when the Swans signed Buddy, took away COLA and gave us a 2 year trade ban.

That was only because he went to the wrong Sydney side.

 

[catters_28]

Hill comes from WA ..from the crappiest country town in WA no less.

He's not from Halls Creek...

 

[Chief Ten Beers]

Father son rule has to go.

Tyler Brown, Callum Brown and Will Kelly are up for grabs...

 

[PAFC66]

Having the Grand Final in Victoria helps.

 

[STPer18]

Long may it continue!

 

[Obeanie1]

Bit late on that failed joke. Nice try though.

I am late on this I will admit.

 

[Coolangatta]

The draft and trade week nonsense needs to go.

Look at the record of the NRL for the 2000’s and then compare it with the AFL..

Sure.. there’s still been a couple of dominant clubs but the flag has been shared around a lot more in that comp this century.

The whole reason for the draft and the trade week which involves trading players for picks/compo/other players was to act as an equaliser.

Now its become more inportant to the AFL and its media arms as a sideshow from which to generate more money. A complete 24hr media circus.

Get rid of it all.. set it up the same as the NRL with nothing more than the salary cap providing the equalisation.

The one thing that will need to change however is the attitude of the clubs toward trading of players.. the AFL is so immature about this process when compared with the NRL.

How would new players enter the AFL without a draft? Do the best draft picks just pick the club they want and then that club signs them, but they can't sign them all because the salary cap prevents them from buying all the best players?

i.e. Harley Reid picks Collingwood, Pies are interested but can't sign him cause of the cap, so he has to go for someone else? etc

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[port_adelaide_1870]

I said it before last year, more work needs to be done into equalisation.

If you are top 4 you should not get a first round draft pick. Those 4 picks should go to the bottom four teams instead. So whoever gets the wooden spoon gets pick 1 and 14 each year and so on.

Would see bottom 4 teams climb the ladder faster and top 4 teams would struggle to maintain their dominance as would wouldn’t get good young talent or any trade capital

 

[theiaofseed]

But how about the development of some of those others guns like Bartel, Enright, Chapman, Johnson, Milburn, Ling, Kelly, Corey and many others
Not to mention we lost arguably the greatest midfielder of all time smack bang during his prime and could have won another couple of flags had he remained throughout 2011-2017.



COLA.
Sydney Swans academy.

So which player do you lose? Does Dangerfield pick Geelong with Ablett's money still in the cap?

It's like debating Franklin staying and Hawthorn still getting Frawley one doesnt happen without the other

 

[go_the_dockers]

I said it before last year, more work needs to be done into equalisation.

If you are top 4 you should not get a first round draft pick. Those 4 picks should go to the bottom four teams instead. So whoever gets the wooden spoon gets pick 1 and 14 each year and so on.

Would see bottom 4 teams climb the ladder faster and top 4 teams would struggle to maintain their dominance as would wouldn’t get good young talent or any trade capital

Very hard on the 4th side. But not worst idea.

The bottom 8 need a bigger advantage.

How about bottom gets 11, 2nd bottom 15 going all the way up to first at pick 60 odd. No big drop in position but a good advantage if you finish bottom 4

 

[theiaofseed]

I said it before last year, more work needs to be done into equalisation.

If you are top 4 you should not get a first round draft pick. Those 4 picks should go to the bottom four teams instead. So whoever gets the wooden spoon gets pick 1 and 14 each year and so on.

Would see bottom 4 teams climb the ladder faster and top 4 teams would struggle to maintain their dominance as would wouldn’t get good young talent or any trade capital

You know that's a pretty good deal, top 4 teams are still weighted to gain free agents so it balances out.

Needs a bit more pick shuffling so 5th doesn't get Pick 13 while 4th gets pick 33, but top 4 sliding half dozen picks would help struggling sides.

 

[Coolangatta]

I said it before last year, more work needs to be done into equalisation.

If you are top 4 you should not get a first round draft pick. Those 4 picks should go to the bottom four teams instead. So whoever gets the wooden spoon gets pick 1 and 14 each year and so on.

Would see bottom 4 teams climb the ladder faster and top 4 teams would struggle to maintain their dominance as would wouldn’t get good young talent or any trade capital

good idea

 

[RUNVS]

I said it before last year, more work needs to be done into equalisation.

If you are top 4 you should not get a first round draft pick. Those 4 picks should go to the bottom four teams instead. So whoever gets the wooden spoon gets pick 1 and 14 each year and so on.

Would see bottom 4 teams climb the ladder faster and top 4 teams would struggle to maintain their dominance as would wouldn’t get good young talent or any trade capital

I am happy with the idea of the top 4 not getting first round draft picks, but I would change what you are doing here and instead of giving the bottom 4 pick 15, 16, 17 and 18 for instance instead give teams picks based on how many years they have been outside the top 8.

So teams that have been outside the top 8 for 3 years or more are eligible for an extra pick after the first round, and the teams that have been outside the top 8 for the longest get the best picks after the first round, so for instance in your system where the top 4 don't get a first rounder you can give lets say Gold Coast pick 15, and then North Melbourne pick 16, Essendon pick 17 or whatever the order is.

 

[go_the_dockers]

What it tells me is that if you do things really well you can win clusters of premierships if you cash in on your time.

All of the multiple flag winners nailed their recruitment, trading, coaching strategies and it was made even better by each having some all time club great players at each of their respective clubs.

Do that, and it's possible to win multiple flags in a shortened period.

Any club is capable of this if they get their s**t together.

Tom lynch via free agency, Prestia
Hawks got Lake, Burgoyne, Gunston
Geelong got Mooney, Otters then later Dangerfield, Cameron, Smith
Melbourne May, Lever and co.

How many flags do they win with out those players??

Non Vic clubs just dont get the same options when it comes to topping up

 

[Coolangatta]

Tom lynch via free agency, Prestia
Hawks got Lake, Burgoyne, Gunston
Geelong got Mooney, Otters then later Dangerfield, Cameron, Smith
Melbourne May, Lever and co.

How many flags do they win with out those players??

Non Vic clubs just dont get the same options when it comes to topping up

Are most of these players originally from Victoria? If half the leagues players are drafted from Victoria, and a lot of them get homesick, this will keep happening.

Maybe if the talent pool grows in the non-Vic states then they can retain more local players who want to go home if they aren't drafted by a club from their home state.

Looks like Gold Coast is heading in the right direction with local talent.

 

[go_the_dockers]

Are most of these players originally from Victoria? If half the leagues players are drafted from Victoria, and a lot of them get homesick, this will keep happening.

Maybe if the talent pool grows in the non-Vic states then they can retain more local players who want to go home if they aren't drafted by a club from their home state.

Looks like Gold Coast is heading in the right direction with local talent.

Hard to stop. But a massive advantage for vic teams

 

[Biggy_Boy]

Having the Grand Final in Victoria helps.

You mean like those two years the grand final was outside Victoria and two Victorian sides won it?

 

[juss]

Tom lynch via free agency, Prestia
Hawks got Lake, Burgoyne, Gunston
Geelong got Mooney, Otters then later Dangerfield, Cameron, Smith
Melbourne May, Lever and co.

How many flags do they win with out those players??

Non Vic clubs just dont get the same options when it comes to topping up

So you're backing up my point that if you recruit well it helps? E.g. getting your stuff in order?

Everyone has the same opportunity, there's 10 clubs in VIC, it's not 1 giant VIC superteam. It's individually harder for VIC clubs to get access to VIC players coming home than it is other states, because there's more competition, and not every FA moves to their home state.

The biggest FAs ever Ablett Jr and Buddy both went to clubs that weren't their home states.

Stop sooking and playing the victim card. When clubs sort themselves out they give themselves the opportunity to win premierships.

The clubs that aren't winning them have all had reasons down to poor club/list/coach management, not because they weren't ****ing Victorian.

 

[brutus76]

Everyone's made a prelim or a granny this century except us and the Suns (mostly due to poor development and list management and culture and training standards)

Sure some clubs have got priority picks or a good run of F/S selections that have turned out fantastically - but I like the F/S rule - you still have to put time into developing the team and the player to reap the reward.

Tigers, Lions, Swans, Cats, Hawks, Pies and Eagles done a great job - Eagles obviously suffering now and Hawks rebuild is going nicely.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

What’s that evil cow got to do with anything?

Supports the Bombers.*







* may or may not be true but it is no more far fetched than your bonkers assertions

 

[go_the_dockers]

So you're backing up my point that if you recruit well it helps? E.g. getting your stuff in order?

Everyone has the same opportunity, there's 10 clubs in VIC, it's not 1 giant VIC superteam. It's individually harder for VIC clubs to get access to VIC players coming home than it is other states, because there's more competition, and not every FA moves to their home state.

The biggest FAs ever Ablett Jr and Buddy both went to clubs that weren't their home states.

Stop sooking and playing the victim card. When clubs sort themselves out they give themselves the opportunity to win premierships.

The clubs that aren't winning them have all had reasons down to poor club/list/coach management, not because they weren't ******* Victorian.

But if you are vic, and top 4 you have your pick of players.

It makes it easier to have a super team.

There is a reason lynch, Cameron and co picked strong teams

Also, as you have several players available in Vic, you can fill holes easier

 

[kranky al]

You mean like those two years the grand final was outside Victoria and two Victorian sides won it?

Yes and meanwhile in victoria there are years it’s all interstate gf’s.

Whats your point?

 

[Caligo]

How would new players enter the AFL without a draft? Do the best draft picks just pick the club they want and then that club signs them, but they can't sign them all because the salary cap prevents them from buying all the best players?

i.e. Harley Reid picks Collingwood, Pies are interested but can't sign him cause of the cap, so he has to go for someone else? etc

Rugby league has a pretty good system, with more diversity of finals teams and grand final winners than the AFL. Although this new era of Panthers dominance is starting to overturn a bit of that.

No draft, no stupid concessions, just a salary cap and close relationships between juniors clubs and the pro clubs.

On the other hand, rugby league has had real trouble expanding into other markets (attempts at WA and SA have been massive failures, but they are making slow but steady progress in Vic).

 

[kranky al]

Rugby league has a pretty good system, with more diversity of finals teams and grand final winners than the AFL. Although this new era of Panthers dominance is starting to overturn a bit of that.

No draft, no stupid concessions, just a salary cap and close relationships between juniors clubs and the pro clubs.

On the other hand, rugby league has had real trouble expanding into other markets (attempts at WA and SA have been massive failures, but they are making slow but steady progress in Vic).

Rugby league did the same stupid thing to the western reds that victoria did to the eagles.

Made them pay visiting teams airfares. Western reds were popular and did alright on field, but were financially crippled by the airfare idiocy.