He also completely missed the fact I was clearly being facetious and pointing out that 1)messiah is probably full of shit and 2)his post was an appeal to authority with no real substance.
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He also completely missed the fact I was clearly being facetious and pointing out that 1)messiah is probably full of shit and 2)his post was an appeal to authority with no real substance.
I hate to let facts get in the way of a good whinge-fest but here they are:
so far this year on average:
Champion Data Ratings - 186 th out of 564 (official AFL player ratings)
Pressure Acts - 105 th
Total metres gained per disposal - 74th
Total metres gained - 112 th
These are not the stats of a terrible player. Not fantastic but not terrible either. Better than comp average in all.
On top of that he is said to be a great team man and good for club culture.
Fans do not see this at all. Culture is vital.
But carry on with your whinge-fest. Why let facts get in the way?
so far this year on average:
Champion Data Ratings - 186 th out of 564 (official AFL player ratings)
Pressure Acts - 105 th
Total metres gained per disposal - 74th
Total metres gained - 112 th
These are not the stats of a terrible player. Not fantastic but not terrible either. Better than comp average in all.
On top of that he is said to be a great team man and good for club culture.
Fans do not see this at all. Culture is vital.
But carry on with your whinge-fest. Why let facts get in the way?
So you picked out 3 stats that show him in a positive light.
How about we look at ALL the stats where it's quite clear he's outright horrific.
On the Adelaide Crows Pride forum . I got slaughtered in the comments for suggesting that Mackay is a weak link.
People are like "He had two very good games to start the year" , "He gives us good run" or "we need experience"
I don't hate him as a person , as a player is so average! I'll give him credit for the first two games of the season, he was awesome. But how many times has he done this in his career? He's 29 in July, when will the committee realise that he's past it? We should be blooding younger players such as Knight/Wigg/Gallucci.
People are like "He had two very good games to start the year" , "He gives us good run" or "we need experience"
I don't hate him as a person , as a player is so average! I'll give him credit for the first two games of the season, he was awesome. But how many times has he done this in his career? He's 29 in July, when will the committee realise that he's past it? We should be blooding younger players such as Knight/Wigg/Gallucci.
wtf is the Adelaide Crows Pride forum?
It's on Facebook haha
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How many players play a role where those stats are key?
There's only 400 best 22 players and a good portion, probanly more than half when you factor in KPPs etc, are not judged by those metrics.
Then you'd also have to remove any young players because they aren't experienced
It sounds like a group for gay Crows fans. Not that there's anything wrong with that...
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I guess there are a lot of reasons for my dislike of MacKay in the team (not the person).
If he was a 20 year old kid with 25 games under his belt, we would probably be hopeful of his development into a decent player. But, there is no development. He peaked young, and never went further. Reminds me a little of Van Berlo with his constant selection.
MacKay will not get better. He has had so few games where people have actually said MacKay was good this game.
At his age, he should be leading by example. Setting the tone. Yet our slow starts are partly his fault. We see time and time again MacKay with 3-6 touches to half time, and then a final quarter of 8-9 touches and something semi decent to remember.
With MacKay in the side, we are holding someone else back. Another player could be developing in MacKays role.
As a midfielder, his numbers are below par. Combine that with his age, and he is well below the pass mark.
We have watched dozens of players come into the side as inexperienced kids, learn their craft and surpass MacKay. Meanwhile MacKay still gets picked each week.
Comparing him to Jenkins is silly. Jenkins could have 6 touches and kick 4-5 goals in a game as he is the FF. MacKays job is to help in the chain of possessions that lead to a goal, which he fails at because he hardly gets the ball
Its like we play with 17.5 players in the side because MacKay doesnt do enough
Perhaps part of it is the coaches fault. Maybe they should have shown MacKay where the gym is so he could bulk up and play more inside.
He has also been lucky that we have had an empty cupboard of replacements for many years. BUT now we have players available, he should not be picked
I am also suspicious that had Adelaide not lost Davis, Gunston, Tippett, Danger, Bock, Mattner and others, plus some picks, our drafting may have been different and a replacement might have pushed Mackay out 4 years ago.
If he was a 20 year old kid with 25 games under his belt, we would probably be hopeful of his development into a decent player. But, there is no development. He peaked young, and never went further. Reminds me a little of Van Berlo with his constant selection.
MacKay will not get better. He has had so few games where people have actually said MacKay was good this game.
At his age, he should be leading by example. Setting the tone. Yet our slow starts are partly his fault. We see time and time again MacKay with 3-6 touches to half time, and then a final quarter of 8-9 touches and something semi decent to remember.
With MacKay in the side, we are holding someone else back. Another player could be developing in MacKays role.
As a midfielder, his numbers are below par. Combine that with his age, and he is well below the pass mark.
We have watched dozens of players come into the side as inexperienced kids, learn their craft and surpass MacKay. Meanwhile MacKay still gets picked each week.
Comparing him to Jenkins is silly. Jenkins could have 6 touches and kick 4-5 goals in a game as he is the FF. MacKays job is to help in the chain of possessions that lead to a goal, which he fails at because he hardly gets the ball
Its like we play with 17.5 players in the side because MacKay doesnt do enough
Perhaps part of it is the coaches fault. Maybe they should have shown MacKay where the gym is so he could bulk up and play more inside.
He has also been lucky that we have had an empty cupboard of replacements for many years. BUT now we have players available, he should not be picked
I am also suspicious that had Adelaide not lost Davis, Gunston, Tippett, Danger, Bock, Mattner and others, plus some picks, our drafting may have been different and a replacement might have pushed Mackay out 4 years ago.
If you knew anything at all about stats you would know these are highly regarded.
186th in official player ratings is the most important stat one can look at.
Care to tell me why the player rating stat is so bad?
So apart from knowing better than our last 4 head coaches you also know better than all the staff at Champion Data.
Is that what you are claiming now?
Again I chose important stats.
400 regular players and he is 186th.
Last time I looked average was not terrible.
The staff at champion data don't decide anything, it's an algorithm.
An algorithm that actually doesn't watch football games.
Would Mackay get a game at the Lions, easily the worst team in the competition?
Answer no.
Terrible.
15-20 range that finished 22nd on votes per game last year and 25th the 2 years prior. Try again, it's not that hard. Here, I'll do it, 22-27 range. See it's easy.
Bastinac has played 3 games this year (dont' think he has been injured?), so is clearly depth for them.
As did all those coaches, bar Craig, who dropped him and then as a group rank him at best 22nd in the b&f each year. Mostly worse, but last year was one out of the box, so he cracked the 22' huzzah for our little 160 game battler.
The player rating stat is the fairest stat available for all players.
It is based on how much you improve the ball position relative to where you receive it.
It was devised by CD's chief statistician Dr. Karl jackson and is why the AFL adopted it for their official rating stat.
There is nothing better, including fantasy points and Champion's other older stat, player rankings.
https://au.linkedin.com/in/karlbjackson
Where is Talia on the player ratings?
Nice stats, what were the coaches thinking last week?
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I'm not even that fussed about how easily he gets ragdolled. Guys like Polec and Gaff are hardly contested ball winning beasts, but they are very good at what they do, which is win big amounts of uncontested (outside) ball and use it with precision to impact games. Mackay only wins about 15 touches per game on average and suffers from poor disposal and decision making.
He is still getting games so they all see something you do not.
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We even have the rainbow stripes. But seriously it would be nice to get equal rights - from the umpires.
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