Past #17: Aaron Mullett - 85 NM games/31 goals - ‘11 Rookie Draft - Fish —> Carlton as DFA Nov’17

[Hard_to_Beat]

Yeah I dont get the Bastinac hate either.

He is playing an outside role at the moment, but his best position IMO is around the stoppages where he can set up the other players on the outside. His tank will see him impact games to a massive degree once he fills out and can stand up in a tackle a bit more. IMO he will be a better player than Ziebell eventually.

/dons flame suit.

As a pure midfielder? Probably.

I don't know about a better player. They are different types.

Jack will have the capacity to turn a game on it's head in 15 minutes once he gets a mature side around him.

 

[Saintly31]

I don't think that at all.

I was merely stating how underrated Bastinac is on here.

They aren't even in the same stratisphere atm, Bastinac is one of the best accumulators u/21 in the competition and he chimes in with goals.

Mullett is a promising type, who needs full matches rather than cameos off the bench.

We've had plenty of types like Mullett in the last decade amount to nothing.

I don't think we've had any type in the last 30 years, that has been averaging consistently over 20 touches a game for a season, in his first 3 seasons amount to nothing.....

Bastinac will play 200+ games for this club, I'm hoping Mullett will play 50, and amount to a decent player.

That's the difference between the two.

I dont necessarily disagree with the above, but why are you comparing them? Its like someone has suggested Mullett be included at Basti's expense?

The original point is I think Mullett can take the position vacated by Atleys move further up field, and his kicking would been useful in 2012. Jacobs is another who might fill this role going by the positive reports.

Ps; I think Mullett looks better than you suggest. His full game againt GWS was excellent and he shouldnt have been dropped IMO.

 

[Reginald0]

yeah well while your in that flame suit
you might like to consider wot exactly u mean by better player
cos it just seems meaningless

 

[Moose Malloy]

Yeah I dont get the Bastinac hate either.

He is playing an outside role at the moment, but his best position IMO is around the stoppages where he can set up the other players on the outside. His tank will see him impact games to a massive degree once he fills out and can stand up in a tackle a bit more. IMO he will be a better player than Ziebell eventually.

/dons flame suit.

Not 100% sure on the Ziebell bit (can't say either way, personally) but couldn't agree more with the rest of it. Spot on about outside not being his best position.

He is great at reading the tap and does some things when he gets it that others can't. A bit more age and size and he will be an absolute cracker. I reckon he's tracking just fine at the moment.

 

[Saintly31]

Yeah I dont get the Bastinac hate either.

He is playing an outside role at the moment, but his best position IMO is around the stoppages where he can set up the other players on the outside. His tank will see him impact games to a massive degree once he fills out and can stand up in a tackle a bit more. IMO he will be a better player than Ziebell eventually.

/dons flame suit.

I'd be interested to be pointed to one thread or even one post in 2012\13 from any roos supporter that shows Bastinac 'hate' Husk. Saying soneone needs to improve their disposal is not hate surely?!

 

[Husk]

As a pure midfielder? Probably.

I don't know about a better player. They are different types.

Jack will have the capacity to turn a game on it's head in 15 minutes once he gets a mature side around him.

He certainly will be more of an impact player than either Cunners or Basti. I hope he can try to model his game more around the Luke Hodge, Brendan Goddard style. If Ziebell can learn to get the ball more on the outside he will have a much greater impact than he does currently as his his kicking is excellent. The rest of his game (at least at the moment) seems to revolve more around brute force than skill.

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

He certainly will be more of an impact player than either Cunners or Basti. I hope he can try to model his game more around the Luke Hodge, Brendan Goddard style. If Ziebell can learn to get the ball more on the outside he will have a much greater impact than he does currently as his his kicking is excellent. The rest of his game (at least at the moment) seems to revolve more around brute force than skill.

Well, this has been a circular issue, as aside from Spitta, Jack himself has been the one dishing the ball outside, so he can't very well get it to himself.

If Cunners steps up as expected, Spitta keeps improving, and Levi can come in and do a role along with a chop out from Basti, Atley and Harper, then I expect Jack will get a lot more time around half forward where he will become a match up nightmare as long as we are pumping the ball forward. He is the sort of player who can go Bang! Bang! Bang! very quickly.

I would rotate him with Harper.

 

[Husk]

I'd be interested to be pointed to one thread or even one post in 2012\13 from any roos supporter that shows Bastinac 'hate' Husk. Saying soneone needs to improve their disposal is not hate surely?!

Yeah Hate is a bit strong .

I think its clear a lot of people got too far ahead of themselves after his first season, and were then disappointed in what he produced last year. Resulting in a lot of unfair criticism shall we say....

 

[Husk]

Well, this has been a circular issue, as aside from Spitta, Jack himself has been the one dishing the ball outside, so he can't very well get it to himself.

Which comes back to his endurance.

Ziebell tested quite poorly pre-draft for VO2 max if I recall correctly.

He may never be able to run out games to the level that lets him get outside like Swallow does for us right now while also playing primarily inside. This also leads back to my comment about Bastinac, that with his ability to get to so many contests will, in the end be a better player over all.

We are all only postulating about where they end up at this stage of their careers though. But it's fun to debate

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Yeah Hate is a bit strong .

I think its clear a lot of people got too far ahead of themselves after his first season, and were then disappointed in what he produced last year. Resulting in a lot of unfair criticism shall we say....

His decisiveness seemed to drop off last season.

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

Which comes back to his endurance.

Ziebell tested quite poorly pre-draft for VO2 max if I recall correctly.

He may never be able to run out games to the level that lets him get outside like Swallow does for us right now while also playing primarily inside. This also leads back to my comment about Bastinac, that with his ability to get to so many contests will, in the end be a better player over all.

We are all only postulating about where they end up at this stage of their careers though. But it's fun to debate

Mate, he was a freakin' Utility/CHF/CHB as a kid.

People need to shelve this expectation of Jack being the next Anthony Stevens. He isn't.

He's more like Riccuito.

 

[Husk]

His decisiveness seemed to drop off last season.

Playing a new role unfamiliar to him perhaps?

 

[Husk]

Mate, he was a freakin' Utility/CHF/CHB as a kid.

People need to shelve this expectation of Jack being the next Anthony Stevens. He isn't.

He's more like Riccuito.

Who is saying he is the next Anthony Stevens?

 

[Deep We11s 1]

I don't think this should be about whether a player should play HBF, mid or HFF. We're quietly puting together a deep list of players who can be rotated through all of these positions. Atley will definitely play more time in the midfield this year but will probably spend most of his time at HB. Mullett the opposite. JZ's body doesn't allow him to play full time midfield so he'll probably spend more time at HB and HF, same with Basti. The team will be picked with the best 13 mids, 4 defenders, 4 forwards and 1 ruck. For 2013 I'd rank our mids like this:
1. Swallow
2. Wells
3. Harvey
4. Cunnington
5. Ziebell
6. Adams
7. Atley
8. Bastinac
9. Wright
10. Gibson
11. Harper
12. Mullett
13. Greenwood
14. Macmillan
15. Anthony
16. Gysberts
17. Jacobs
18. McKenzie
19. Kennedy
20. Speight
21. Richardson
22. Hine
23. Garner
24. Sierakowski
25. Warren
26. Other 2012 draftees
&bsp;
... and basically due to injury and form this will be the order they're picked

 

[Saintly31]

Who is saying he is the next Anthony Stevens?

Nobody.

It reminds me of how everyone with a different opinion on any player automatically is part of the 'illiterate Dream Team/Super Coach' brigade - completely baseless and irrelevant, but what does that matter!!

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

Who is saying he is the next Anthony Stevens?

I am utilizing an extreme to make a point.

Jack is a born and bred utility.

Currently he is clocking up a lot of miles in the midfield due to the rebuild and a lack of alternatives.

When Cunners picks up and BJ, Jizza, Levi, Atley, Basti etc. are ready, I expect Jack to play a lot less game time in the clearances and a lot more game time on the ground.

 

[Husk]

I am utilizing an extreme to make a point.

Jack is a born and bred utility.

Currently he is clocking up a lot of miles in the midfield due to the rebuild and a lack of alternatives.

When Cunners picks up and BJ, Jizza, Levi, Atley, Basti etc. are ready, I expect Jack to play a lot less game time in the clearances and a lot more game time on the ground.

I don't disagree with you, and he will be a more effective player when it happens.

 

[Reginald0]

We had a fairly similar case study last decade.

- A skinny goofy looking kid, snuck into our premiership sides, playing a very outside role in the midfield, kicked some goals up forward when there.
- Took about 7 years to develop into a top line footballer.
- Bulked up in that time, to a solid 88kg's.
- Became one of the best accumulators of 00's and a clearance machine.
- Captained the club from 2004-2008

If you don't see similarities between the two young players your bonkers, and Ryan's well ahead of Adam at this stage, the query I have, is, if he is able to stack on the neccessary weight to make the same transition, they both have/had exceptional football brains.

simmo was 1st rnd draft pick i think
great vertical leap
rather scrappy footballer but effective
not a great captain in the sense he just didnt have the personality for it
think youve got the rose colored glasses on
praps he looked so good cos the other blokes were appallling

 

[Shagga is all Class]

In case anyone hasn't noticed our uncontested football went up substantially and our rebounding efficiency went up as well in 2012.

The Bastinac, Anthony, Gibson slams are bit perplexing on this board. Our team improved when the HBs had someone to kick to other than the same old down the line crap.

 

[Jay-Z]

I don't think this should be about whether a player should play HBF, mid or HFF. We're quietly puting together a deep list of players who can be rotated through all of these positions. Atley will definitely play more time in the midfield this year but will probably spend most of his time at HB. Mullett the opposite. JZ's body doesn't allow him to play full time midfield so he'll probably spend more time at HB and HF, same with Basti. The team will be picked with the best 13 mids, 4 defenders, 4 forwards and 1 ruck. For 2013 I'd rank our mids like this:
1. Swallow
2. Wells
3. Harvey
4. Cunnington
5. Ziebell
6. Adams
7. Atley
8. Bastinac
9. Wright
10. Gibson
11. Harper
12. Mullett
13. Greenwood
14. Macmillan
15. Anthony
16. Gysberts
17. Jacobs
18. McKenzie
19. Kennedy
20. Speight
21. Richardson
22. Hine
23. Garner
24. Sierakowski
25. Warren
26. Other 2012 draftees
&bsp;
... and basically due to injury and form this will be the order they're picked

Mullet ahead of Greenwood, Macmillan, Anthony, Jacobs? I don't think so.

 

[Jay-Z]

It's hilarious some of the shit on here in regards to Anthony and Bastinac.

People severly misunderstand certain attributes on here.

There's physical and mental strengths to a footballer in my eyes.

Physical - Marking, Kicking, Tackling, Handballing, Endurance, Jumping, Spoiling etc etc
Mental - Reading of the play, Anticipation, Creativity, Vision, Awareness, Determination, Composure etc

Now, far too many supporters fall in love with players kicking abilities, pace etc, and brush over probably the most important attributes, the mental ones.

Smart players are always far more successful and better players than those with mostly physical strengths.

Now take Mullett for example, he's a better kick than Bastinac, there's no argument there, but Ryan absolutely destroys Aaron in those mental categorys, and most of our other young players as well.

Anthony is the same.


The ball just doesn't fall in your ******* lap 25 times a game accross an entire season ffs.

POTY! I can't like this post enough.

Bastinac will play 200+ games and will end up as a damn fine inside midfielder. He just needs to get some muscle on his skinny-ass frame. Have some patience people

 

[Jay-Z]

Back on topic.... this thread is 12 months (at least) early. Atley has basically already said he will still be playing HBF this year. I want him to move into the midfield eventually but this year won't be it.

 

[Deep We11s 1]

Mullet ahead of Greenwood, Macmillan, Anthony, Jacobs? I don't think so.

You forgot Gysberts and sorry, I must appologise for expressing an opinion.

Throw a blanket over 11-17 depending on injury, form, balance. I rate Mullett, he's young, quick, disciplined, finds it and uses it well. An extra pre-season developing his strength and endurance should elevate him up the order.

Re Greenwood - Bon had no love for him last year, why do you think that will change?
Re Macmillan - Similar to Mullett but better speed, poorer kick, doesn't get it as much.
Re Anthony - Can see Mullett overtaking him as I don't think he'll improve.
Re Jacobs & Gysberts - they start slightly behind until they prove themselves.

 

[Rockstar6]

Will stay the same as 2012, he is still learning and by what we have seen he is going to be a priceless assett Im guessing 2014 he moves into the midfield with Luke McDonald, Aaron Mullett and Brad McKenzie fighting for that half back spot

 

[Saintly31]

Back on topic.... this thread is 12 months (at least) early. Atley has basically already said he will still be playing HBF this year. I want him to move into the midfield eventually but this year won't be it.

Didnt realise Atley was player/coach. When did Scott get axed, dont know how the rest of us missed it.