Player Watch #17: Daniel Rioli - Traded to GC, picks 6&23.

[juss]

Bolton is 21, has not suffered a serious injury, is doing no better statistically than Rioli at the same age, and whilst he is maybe more efficient than Rioli(and Castagna) in some ways, he does not go where angels fear to tread as the other pair do. And that is a difference that should not be overlooked as it matters.

The old stats paradox. He's playing better football at the moment, and he's younger. Not sure who you'd take but hed easily be my pick of the 3 if we could only keep one.

Rioli has probably regressed from 2017 which was his most impactful year. Possibly parts of 2018.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

The old stats paradox. He's playing better football at the moment, and he's younger. Not sure who you'd take but hed easily be my pick of the 3 if we could only keep one.

Rioli has probably regressed from 2017 which was his most impactful year. Possibly parts of 2018.

To be honest if I am playing a grand final next week I go:

1. Rioli
2. Castagna
3. Bolton

But there is not much between them and I like the pack crashers in big games they create opportunities without getting stats credit for it.

Sure though, if you just watch the ball, Bolton looks to be operating best in terms of handling the ball and using it. It is just that this is only one part of the game and we now know it is relatively less important when compared to the other stuff, body work, pressure acts etc than perhaps we all previously thought.

 

[Hank Heavenly]

Rioli will stay so he can play with MRJ

 

[Dr Tigris]

Rioli is doing really well. SO what's the problem.

Yes he can be better. But he's a very good player already.

And we know rucks take longer

 

[Grrr]

To be honest if I am playing a grand final next week I go:

1. Rioli
2. Castagna
3. Bolton

But there is not much between them and I like the pack crashers in big games they create opportunities without getting stats credit for it.

Sure though, if you just watch the ball, Bolton looks to be operating best in terms of handling the ball and using it. It is just that this is only one part of the game and we now know it is relatively less important when compared to the other stuff, body work, pressure acts etc than perhaps we all previously thought.

Bolton had one less pressure act than Rioli last week (according to a poster earlier in the week). Bolton is just getting going, and that is not running down the other two at all.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Bolton had one less pressure act than Rioli last week (according to a poster earlier in the week). Bolton is just getting going, and that is not running down the other two at all.

I think Bolton is showing more signs of being like the gun key forwards everyone loves to watch for sure. You don’t expect these guys to be elite in every area but my query on Bolton has always been he noticeably shortens stride when anticipating front on contact. Maybe he is getting a bit better with this as he strengthens up. Rioli and Castagna don’t they just crash in, and this running in straight lines is very valuable when it comes to deciding which way the ball goes out of a particular contest. I will probably watch the replay carefully this week and see what I can see in terms of that.

 

[lumpinee]

I think most see his worth, but I still think he has another gear to go. Castagna did it last year, Bolton is already there, Rioli should be there but seems to have stalled a bit and we get occasional games, hence the frustration. Don't know what money has to do with it.

yep ,he was after all a no.15 pick

 

[Old M8]

But he's a very good player already.

Played a couple of very good games = yes

Very good player = no

 

[VB_longneck]

Drop him for dow

 

[THE_GUN]

In much the same way people said we wouldn't have won the '17 grand final without Prestia.
And those who said we wouldn't have won the '17 grand final without Caddy.
And those who said we wouldn't have won the '17 grand final without Nankervis.
And those who contended we wouldn't have won the '17 grand final without Broad.
Followed by those who posted we wouldn't have won the '17 grand final without Townsend
And those who believed we wouldn't have won the '17 grand final without Castagna.
And some maintain And those who said we wouldn't have won the '17 grand final without BEllis ... and Graham.
You get the picture

I would suggest you go back and watch the GWS prelim game again, Every time GWS were getting away Rioli is the player who kicks the goal and keeps us in the game 4 goals when they counted.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

I would suggest you go back and watch the GWS prelim game again, Every time GWS were getting away Rioli is the player who kicks the goal and keeps us in the game 4 goals when they counted.

Watched the replay of the first 3 terms v the Pies and the fasct Rioli’s possessions were down a bit was not his fault. He was a missed target at least 3-4 times I have seen and he has just fallen victim to the team being a bit rusty. Was also a time when he has possession and a free is paid to someone else.

Bolton moved well but did benefit from some work from both Rioli and Stack, and when Bolton goaled that free could equally have been paid to Stack for a similar infringement in the same passage. I think Stack tried to run through Moore in the second term and ended up in a fair bit of discomfort, so this may have slowed him down a bit.

The way the game was played was generally death for small forwards. I haven’t seen anything that concerns me about Rioli, he kicked an out on the full first term was about the only real error I have seen so far. I have seen him lay a good number of tackles as well so the 2 he is credited with is obviously because of the way tackle stats are defined.

 

[Grrr]

Watched the replay of the first 3 terms v the Pies and the fasct Rioli’s possessions were down a bit was not his fault. He was a missed target at least 3-4 times I have seen and he has just fallen victim to the team being a bit rusty. Was also a time when he has possession and a free is paid to someone else.

Bolton moved well but did benefit from some work from both Rioli and Stack, and when Bolton goaled that free could equally have been paid to Stack for a similar infringement in the same passage. I think Stack tried to run through Moore in the second term and ended up in a fair bit of discomfort, so this may have slowed him down a bit.

The way the game was played was generally death for small forwards. I haven’t seen anything that concerns me about Rioli, he kicked an out on the full first term was about the only real error I have seen so far. I have seen him lay a good number of tackles as well so the 2 he is credited with is obviously because of the way tackle stats are defined.

Collingwood's best small Elliot was invisible, so yes it was not a good game for small forwards, and given most of Collingwood's players were camped in our back half for most of the game, it was even harder at our end.

 

[VB_longneck]

would give him away for pick 39

 

[Wooden Robot]

I would suggest you go back and watch the GWS prelim game again, Every time GWS were getting away Rioli is the player who kicks the goal and keeps us in the game 4 goals when they counted.

No one has ever doubted he was instrumental in that game - indeed brilliant.
But you don't continually play a game on the strength of one game. He doesn't do it often enough.
But if you are prepared to gift him a game for the rest of his career on the strength of his important role in one game, go for it.

 

[Vassp]

ATM...
order of value and if improving.

Bolton ^
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George ^
Rioli -

 

[THE_GUN]

No one has ever doubted he was instrumental in that game - indeed brilliant.
But you don't continually play a game on the strength of one game. He doesn't do it often enough.
But if you are prepared to gift him a game for the rest of his career on the strength of his important role in one game, go for it.

Nobody is gifting Daniel games , He is an integral part of the team thats needed for our game plan and plays it brilliantly,Might not be what we expect from the Rioli name but he plays his part.

Both Rioli & Castagna play similar type roles in the team and supporters want them gone but lucky we dont have supporters coaching and selecting teams ans both players are dual premiership players and rightfully so.

5 Stars 17 soldiers win you flags 22 stars = GWS Giants

 

[k31th]

just need to see this gif every time we think Rioli doesn't do enough

 

[Marcel Proust]

would give him away for pick 39

And use it to draft Rioli?

 

[Marcel Proust]

just need to see this gif every time we think Rioli doesn't do enough

just need to see this gif every time we think Rioli doesn't do enough

AWOLNATION - Run

 

[Phar Ace]

would give him away for pick 39

Thanks for that Ricky Beck!

 

[Phar Ace]

Nobody is gifting Daniel games , He is an integral part of the team thats needed for our game plan and plays it brilliantly,Might not be what we expect from the Rioli name but he plays his part.

Both Rioli & Castagna play similar type roles in the team and supporters want them gone but lucky we dont have supporters coaching and selecting teams ans both players are dual premiership players and rightfully so.

5 Stars 17 soldiers win you flags 22 stars = GWS Giants

Amen to that. Fans focus on the football and this is the be all and end all. It's not! Why do we get to lock the ball forward so much? Opposition backmen are looking to outlet in a panicked split second, but Rioli fills a space they want, not by just happening to be in a threatening position, but being smart and fit enough, and directed by the coach to fill those spaces and deny the easiest outlet. So then the next riskiest outlet is often taken. No stat for that, but gets the ball sent to riskier spots, we cause a turnover, sometimes Rioli can get lucky and is involved - sometimes he is still too far away - but the coaches love it. So do his team mates just quietly. Work rate!

 

[theyellowsash]

lets remember he has just turned 23. it feels like he has been around forever because he has barely missed since he started, but in reality he is still a kid. he should probably be doing better than he is, he has all the tools except monster size. but not every player bursts out of the blocks. even ablett jnr wasnt more than a decent small forward until his 6th year. not saying he'll ever get to that level, but he doesnt have to have reached his potential yet.

at the end of the day, he has been the only dedicated small forward who's been lock in the best team for the last 3 years, so he must be doing something right.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Amen to that. Fans focus on the football and this is the be all and end all. It's not! Why do we get to lock the ball forward so much? Backmen are looking to outlet in a panicked split second, but Rioli fills a space they want, not by just happening to be in threatening position, but being smart and fit enough and directed by the coach to fill those spaces and deny the easiest outlet. So the next riskiest outlet is often taken. No stat for that, but gets the ball sent to riskier spots, we cause a turnover, sometimes Rioli can get lucky and is involved - sometimes he is still too far away - but the coaches love it. So does his team mates just quietly. Work rate!

Just totally spot on that. And all our little guys forward are good space fillers, because they are all some sort of aerial threat for their height, Rioli, Bolton, Stack, Higgins, Castagna. So where previously opposition teams may have been able to target Butler’s area to exit defence in that way because he had no overhead presence at all, there is no cheap aerial route out now. There are so many ways these guys contribute meaningfully without getting rewarded with possessions or goals or even tackles. It really does do them a disservice to judge them by traditional and badly outdated measures like goals kicked etc. I am really quite surprised a lot of smart posters on here don’t see it that way.

 

[sregit]

Just totally spot on that. And all our little guys forward are good space fillers, because they are all some sort of aerial threat for their height, Rioli, Bolton, Stack, Higgins, Castagna. So where previously opposition teams may have been able to target Butler’s area to exit defence in that way because he had no overhead presence at all, there is no cheap aerial route out now. There are so many ways these guys contribute meaningfully without getting rewarded with possessions or goals or even tackles. It really does do them a disservice to judge them by traditional and badly outdated measures like goals kicked etc. I am really quite surprised a lot of smart posters on here don’t see it that way.

All these smalls, Rioli included are necessary for Richmond to maintain our press and locking of the ball in our forward line. All of them will play the majority of games this season.
Until another small or utility comes along who out performs at least one of them and can force his way into the team, then we will just maintain status quo with regard to selection. I hope eventually one is forced out as it means we have found another gem. Hopefully someone like Dow who is already on the list. It's just continual progression and improvement of the side. Form will determine if a player is pushed out, however, right now I do not see Rioli or the others losing their spot as no challenger has yet to come forward.

 

[Phar Ace]

lets remember he has just turned 23. it feels like he has been around forever because he has barely missed since he started, but in reality he is still a kid. he should probably be doing better than he is, he has all the tools except monster size. but not every player bursts out of the blocks. even ablett jnr wasnt more than a decent small forward until his 6th year. not saying he'll ever get to that level, but he doesnt have to have reached his potential yet.

at the end of the day, he has been the only dedicated small forward who's been lock in the best team for the last 3 years, so he must be doing something right.

He and George.....even when all were calling for George to be dropped numerous times - work rates fill a role too!