Player Watch #17: Daniel Rioli - Traded to GC, picks 6&23.

[Tomnat Tigers]

He is our highest paid small forward and yet is our worst performing small forward by a considerable margin. People love talking about his pressure acts but how often does it actually win the footy himself? Bolton and Castagna may not have as many pressure acts but they win the footy.

 

[juss]

Take ya foot out of your mouth , what it saying is if the best in the biz carved a career on back of 11p a game , Rioli isn’t as far off as most think . His finals resume tells me he can play

Perfect example of my point. He's had few good games and flashes of brilliance, but he's good what one in every 6? Invisible in 3 of those and average in the other 2 though, but that is often happily overlooked.

He's also miles off someone like Betts or Cyril, not even close to their impact.

 

[Tomnat Tigers]

It’s not his main job though, his main job is apply pressure first because he’s insanely good at it. Watching him run up, back, across and all over the place is seriously one of the most jaw dropping things I’ve ever seen in footy particularly when he has to hit the accelerator. It’s massive for us and the goals are just icing, he could easily be a 35-40 goal a year small forward but would have to change the way he plays.
Stuff that we need the Rioli we have now more than the latter.

This is such rubbish. If Rioli was actually capable of kicking 35-40 goals a year he would be doing so regardless of his role in the team. His role doesn't limit how often he touches the ball or how many goals he kicks. There are plenty of players in the AFL who provide just as much pressure for their respective teams yet still impact the scoreboard or have a direct hand in more goals.

There are plenty of other players in our team who provided just as much pressure if not more than Rioli who don't get the excuses Rioli does.

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

This is such rubbish. If Rioli was actually capable of kicking 35-40 goals a year he would be doing so regardless of his role in the team. His role doesn't limit how often he touches the ball or how many goals he kicks. There are plenty of players in the AFL who provide just as much pressure for their respective teams yet still impact the scoreboard or have a direct hand in more goals.

There are plenty of other players in our team who provided just as much pressure if not more than Rioli who don't get the excuses Rioli does.

That’s ok you can call it rubbish, I’ll watch the game the way I do the only thing I’ll add is that no player comes close to him when it comes to pressuring a defender with the footy, not even close.

 

[69vintage]

That’s ok you can call it rubbish, I’ll watch the game the way I do the only thing I’ll add is that no player comes close to him when it comes to pressuring a defender with the footy, not even close.

Watching him at the ground is amazing .
His close down speed is amazing .

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[Tomnat Tigers]

That’s ok you can call it rubbish, I’ll watch the game the way I do the only thing I’ll add is that no player comes close to him when it comes to pressuring a defender with the footy, not even close.

If that were the case his pressure would result in a lot more tackles than a career average of 3.2 tackles and one year (2017) inside the top 10 for tackles inside 50 which coincided with playing 25 games. Cotchin and Graham alone are two guys who I would much more worried about tackling me in the Richmond team let alone a number of players from other clubs.

 

[Bojangles17]

Perfect example of my point. He's had few good games and flashes of brilliance, but he's good what one in every 6? Invisible in 3 of those and average in the other 2 though, but that is often happily overlooked.

He's also miles off someone like Betts or Cyril, not even close to their impact.

He averages 1-2p and and 1/2 a goal less at same age and he’s nowhere near , ok . Do t bother replying I don’t handle talking bs well

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

If that were the case his pressure would result in a lot more tackles than a career average of 3.2 tackles and one year (2017) inside the top 10 for tackles inside 50 which coincided with playing 25 games. Cotchin and Graham alone are two guys who I would much more worried about tackling me in the Richmond team let alone a number of players from other clubs.

It’s not just about tackling. Watch the game and see how often the opposition turn it over because they panic like shit and it’s usually because he’s closing down space faster than anyone I’ve ever seen. He runs harder than any player I’ve ever seen without the footy and it’s a huge part of our game.

 

[juss]

He averages 1-2p and and 1/2 a goal less at same age and he’s nowhere near , ok . Do t bother replying I don’t handle talking bs well

No problems some aren't ready to ackowledge the fair questions.

 

[Tomnat Tigers]

It’s not just about tackling. Watch the game and see how often the opppsition turn it over because they panic like shit and it’s usually because he’s closing down space faster than anyone I’ve ever seen. He runs harder than any player I’ve ever seen without the footy and it’s a huge part of our game.

Watch the game and see often the opposition turns it over when Cotchin and Graham are applying pressure, Ill give you a tip its a lot more than when Rioli is pressuring. Graham is everything you claim Rioli to be and better him in pressure acts, tackles and defensive running. Yet you read the autopsy thread and everyone wants Graham dropped and Graham sacrifices his role for the team a hell of a lot more than any other player we have.

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

Watch the game and see often the opposition turns it over when Cotchin and Graham are applying pressure, Ill give you a tip its a lot more than when Rioli is pressuring. Graham is everything you claim Rioli to be and better him in pressure acts, tackles and defensive running. Yet you read the autopsy thread and everyone wants Graham dropped and Graham sacrifices his role for the team a hell of a lot more than any other player we have.

Not me I love Graham and I agree about his gut running it’s insane. I specifically watched him in a game once and I have Rioli too.
Doesn’t mean I don’t also watch and appreciate how selfless Rioli is and quickly he reduces space for the opposition and make repeat efforts.

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

The irony for me is that a lot of these players do these roles because let’s be honest our best player does not.
He wouldn’t be the best if it weren’t for them he gets away with murder really.

 

[Marcel Proust]

Which small forward do you want to compare him to?

Betts is fine

Thank you. I agree 100% with this, and I’m saying it shouldn’t be this way. This is my exact criticism of Daniel. He’s a fine 4th best small forward but he should be our best or 2nd best at absolute worst with the talent he has. (I’m a massive Bolton fan, and think he is our best small and have the best career.)

Your 4th best anything is a role player, and he needs to wake up before he finishes his career as a role player. Which would be disappointing from an individual stand point for him.

Castagna is about as good as he can be, I’ve fully accepted him for what he is, he’s frustrating, but he doesn’t have the talent Rioli has so I’m don’t expect more from him.

I dunno if higgins is past him

 

[Bojangles17]

No problems some aren't ready to ackowledge the fair questions.

I think you misunderstand my case , I rate Rioli 15-20 in our side. In terms of his status in the side he performs to his role well knowing full well that the small forwards in our side have a genuine role to play that is far more than goals alone. Yep he was ordinary on Thursday I’m giving most a get out of jail free card given the first up circumstances.
Coll are also a different opponent with a game plan that focuses on clamping our smalls and the space they can run forward of the ball jnto, many try and fail they do it reasonably well.
So is he overrated? not by me or most others but if you think he ll ever be a brad hill 25p plus a week , I feel you’ll be disappointed

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

I think you misunderstand my case , I rate Rioli 15-20 in our side. In terms of his status in the side he performs to his role well knowing full well that the small forwards in our side have a genuine role to play that is far more than goals alone. Yep he was ordinary on Thursday I’m giving most a get out of jail free card given the first up circumstances.
Coll are also a different opponent with a game plan that focuses on clamping our smalls and the space they can run forward of the ball jnto, many try and fail they do it reasonably well.
So is he overrated? not by me or most others but if you think he ll ever be a brad hill 25p plus a week , I feel you’ll be disappointed

Exactly he was never going to be that.
I was rapt in 2017 when it became clear what his role was and how effective he was at it. For far too many seasons we just had players just out there “playing”, some of these were blokes who would kick the goals people are looking for from someone like a Rioli or The disposals they want from a Graham and a lot of others and not much else, there was no system, no self sacrifice, no role to play and it got us ****ing nowhere.

 

[Serenity_Now]

The irony for me is that a lot of these players do these roles because let’s be honest our best player does not.
He wouldn’t be the best if it weren’t for them he gets away with murder really.

He has 10x the talent of the others, so they should compliment him.

But having players (like Daniel) that play their role wins you flags, and I bet we’re all happy with that.

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

He has 10x the talent of the others, so they should compliment him.

But having players (like Daniel) that play their role wins you flags, and I bet we’re all happy with that.

Exactly.
People say it’s rubbish but it’s why we win, and if they want an example of a player kicking the goals they want there’s a game on tv right now and there’s this bloke called Sam Lloyd, nice player Sam got good skills, nice finisher and kicked 38 goals last season maybe we should go after him?
In the other team is this Dan Butler Bloke who just did this amazingly skillful thing you should have seen it! He looks the goods I tell ya! He seems to trail off at times when they don’t have the footy but we would sort that out!
There’s a reason they play there and Rioli plays for Richmond.

 

[Bojangles17]

The irony for me is that a lot of these players do these roles because let’s be honest our best player does not.
He wouldn’t be the best if it weren’t for them he gets away with murder really.

Good point however he is getting better at the def plays

 

[Bojangles17]

He has 10x the talent of the others, so they should compliment him.

But having players (like Daniel) that play their role wins you flags, and I bet we’re all happy with that.

At last a bit of prevailing objectivity

 

[lumpinee]

I have him rated behind
George
Bolton
Higgo at his best
For a fourth best small he performs his role well and I mean very well and has punched above his weight in finals performances . If you think he should be challenging Dustin Martin as our best player , you need to watch more football
Name another sides 4th best small that goes better than him ,
Our side can improve , I have the blow torch on Stacky , jack g and even marls, one will be dropped

yeah JG is looking slow at the moment,not having a crack but geez only 4 games ago he was athletically there,hes down a yard

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

yeah JG is looking slow at the moment,not having a crack but geez only 4 games ago he was athletically there,hes down a yard

I reckon the bizarre start to the season would blow a bloke like him up more than anyone. Don’t think I’ve ever see a higher workrate on a footy field it’s barbaric what he puts himself through.

 

[Bojangles17]

Thank you. I agree 100% with this, and I’m saying it shouldn’t be this way. This is my exact criticism of Daniel. He’s a fine 4th best small forward but he should be our best or 2nd best at absolute worst with the talent he has. (I’m a massive Bolton fan, and think he is our best small and have the best career.)

Your 4th best anything is a role player, and he needs to wake up before he finishes his career as a role player. Which would be disappointing from an individual stand point for him.

Castagna is about as good as he can be, I’ve fully accepted him for what he is, he’s frustrating, but he doesn’t have the talent Rioli has so I’m don’t expect more from him.

Hope so but not sure he has the tricks to get a run in the midfield , like said above about Bolton talent who showed in a few games last year he could rackem up in the middle , would like to see more. Whilst we favour this game style dan has a role , if we evolve from this and dan fails to add a trick or two his footy life cycle won’t be a long one

 

[Dr Tigris]

Daniel makes the team better, which is super important. But his best is reserved for finals. He has the ability to be elite, and is just very good.

So am I glass half empty or full? Not sure.

If we move him more into the midfield he should pick up both his possessions and goals. But he is vital to our forward line. I see his best games and I see a dominant player. But i am also aware that I don't know his game and role well enough to know if he's underperforming. All I know is I see a potential AFL star, and I see a really good player.

 

[Grrr]

Daniel makes the team better, which is super important. But his best is reserved for finals. He has the ability to be elite, and is just very good.

So am I glass half empty or full? Not sure.

If we move him more into the midfield he should pick up both his possessions and goals. But he is vital to our forward line. I see his best games and I see a dominant player. But i am also aware that I don't know his game and role well enough to know if he's underperforming. All I know is I see a potential AFL star, and I see a really good player.

To me he is the most frustrating player on the list. He has what Cyril had, he doesn't need to touch it often to make things happen. Just wish he would take his offensive side up near the level of his defensive, then you would have a cracker. Keep waiting for it to happen, as we have all seen him do it.

 

[Charlie Pannam]

Daniel makes the team better, which is super important. But his best is reserved for finals. He has the ability to be elite, and is just very good.

So am I glass half empty or full? Not sure.

If we move him more into the midfield he should pick up both his possessions and goals. But he is vital to our forward line. I see his best games and I see a dominant player. But i am also aware that I don't know his game and role well enough to know if he's underperforming. All I know is I see a potential AFL star, and I see a really good player.

I think he would benefit from playing a bit more game time in the midfield.
Sometimes a couple of cheap stats further up the ground is all a small forward needs to get into form.
Still love that performance against the Giants in the 2017 Prelim he was electrifying that evening the most influential player on the ground.