Certified Legendary Thread 2 x Premiership Coach Chris Scott contracted to 2026 (aka the Chris Scott volumes

[Cataholic]

higgins was good in pre-season. Why does demands of selection integrity only apply when young players do well (Constable etc)?

I agree on Dahlhaus. Turgid player.

I didn't see Higgin's first ps game, but will trust the belief of others that he played well.

However, I did see his last game and he was both timid and poor imo.

 

[Biggy_Boy]

But still cooked.

Not wrong there. The most cooked for sure. If you wanted to at least make a token signal that you were doing things a bit differently this year and not just giving those tired old senior players games by default, the absolute easiest way to accomplish it would be not playing Dahl. No one would dispute that, even if the younger player replacing him did little. We don't even get that.

 

[Cataholic]

Not wrong there. The most cooked for sure. If you wanted to at least make a token signal that you were doing things a bit differently this year and not just giving those tired old senior players games by default, the absolute easiest way to accomplish it would be not playing Dahl. No one would dispute that, even if the younger player replacing him did little. We don't even get that.

Spot on.

He simply doesn't deserve senior selection, and it must deflate the kids who wonder what they've got to do to pass a guy who does absolutely nothing.

The blind spot our coaches get with guys like he and Jack Steven is just bewildering.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

I didn't see Higgin's first ps game, but will trust the belief of others that he played well.

However, I did see his last game and he was both timid and poor imo.

and who says we have to put a whole heap of young players in at once? SDK and Stengle this week, suspect Stephens will debut within the first 6 weeks.
Menegola, Duncan sure put pressure on Dahl and Higgins I'd have thought, they'll be in soon enough.

 

[Cataholic]

and who says we have to put a whole heap of young players in at once? SDK and Stengle this week, suspect Stephens will debut within the first 6 weeks.
Menegola, Duncan sure put pressure on Dahl and Higgins I'd have thought, they'll be in soon enough.

Don't think anyone was looking for a 'whole heap of players in at once', but many were looking for the club to walk the talk and replace spuds like Dahl and Higgins.

 

[David the Cat]

Don't think anyone was looking for a 'whole heap of players in at once', but many were looking for the club to walk the talk and replace spuds like Dahl and Higgins.

I was disappointed at Dahlhaus' selection. I suspect once Miers is fit, and Evans performs in the VFL , Dahlhaus will be not long in best 22.

I'm ok with Higgins selection. His pre-season form was solid.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Don't think anyone was looking for a 'whole heap of players in at once', but many were looking for the club to walk the talk and replace spuds like Dahl and Higgins.

I have said 3 times now I agree on Dahlhaus. Cooper Stephens for him I am happy with that change.
As for the other emergencies.

Narkle: Nearly delisted 2020 and 2021. Still looks average to me.
Evans: Got as much of the pill last week playing the whole game as Dahlhaus (Who is crap) did in half a game.
Whyte: Know nothing about him but first year mid draft selection in the E's first game speaks to our injury list IMO more than his talent.

So I ask again, what grievous error other than Dahlhaus have they made? I'd pick Higgins over those other 3 any day of the week.

 

[Cataholic]

I was disappointed at Dahlhaus' selection. I suspect once Miers is fit, and Evans performs in the VFL , Dahlhaus will be not long in best 22.

I'm ok with Higgins selection. His pre-season form was solid.

I was ambivalent about Higgins selection.

As stated elsewhere, I was prepared for him to play Rd 1 based on popular opinion about his earlier ps game, which I didn't see.

His last game though, which I did watch, left me unimpressed. He shirked the contest on one particular occasion, and did little imo.

He and Dahl need to be replaced asap.

 

[Cataholic]

I have said 3 times now I agree on Dahlhaus. Cooper Stephens for him I am happy with that change.
As for the other emergencies.

Narkle: Nearly delisted 2020 and 2021. Still looks average to me.
Evans: Got as much of the pill last week playing the whole game as Dahlhaus (Who is crap) did in half a game.
Whyte: No nothing about him but first year mid draft selection in the E's first game speaks to our injury list IMO more than his talent.

So I ask again, what grievous error other than Dahlhaus have they made? I'd pick Higgins over those other 3 any day of the week.

I would've given either Narkle or Evans a game. Nothing to lose, and even if they did nothing we'd break even v Higgins.

At least we'd get a game into a kid and learn a bit more about them.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

I would've given either Narkle or Evans a game. Nothing to lose, and even if they did nothing we'd break even v Higgins.

At least we'd get a game into a kid and learn a bit more about them.

Evans maybe, we haven’t seen a lot of him. Seen enough of Narkle and he impresses me as much as Parfitt does.

As I said; we are trying to win football games.

 

[Cataholic]

Evans maybe, we haven’t seen a lot of him. Seen enough of Narkle and he impresses me as much as Parfitt does.

As I said; we are trying to win football games.

Agreed, we are......which makes our selections puzzling.

Both those guys have done nothing to win us a game yet, so we'd be no worse off on the scoreboard playing Evans, but a step further advanced in developing our youth.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Agreed, we are......which makes our selections puzzling.

Both those guys have done nothing to win us a game yet, so we'd be no worse off on the scoreboard playing Evans, but a step further advanced in developing our youth.

I am contending that the only youth error made tonight was Dahl over Stephens.

So age and inexperience matters not for the other selections. You keep raising Evans and Narkle who don’t impress me. The bigger mistake is still playing Esava… a young player.

 

[Cataholic]

I am contending that the only youth error made tonight was Dahl over Stephens.

So age and inexperience matters not for the other selections. You keep raising Evans and Narkle who don’t impress me. The bigger mistake is still playing Esava… a young player.

I haven't seen enough of Evans to make an assessment either way, and I agree on Sav, but not sure we have a choice until Ceglar is fit.

 

[Turbocat]

Not wrong there. The most cooked for sure. If you wanted to at least make a token signal that you were doing things a bit differently this year and not just giving those tired old senior players games by default, the absolute easiest way to accomplish it would be not playing Dahl. No one would dispute that, even if the younger player replacing him did little. We don't even get that.

This is pretty much it. It was like was are missing a determined number of matures... with Duncan and Menegola out...so lets bring in Higg and Dahl. Surely neither hold their spot once these two are selected... and thats the issue as then the likes of Coop S etc still miss out. If they decided...we will play x number of younger players becuase its in our best interest long term ..then most would say they are at least indicating a head nod to changing...

 

[Partridge]

I was ambivalent about Higgins selection.

As stated elsewhere, I was prepared for him to play Rd 1 based on popular opinion about his earlier ps game, which I didn't see.

His last game though, which I did watch, left me unimpressed. He shirked the contest on one particular occasion, and did little imo.

He and Dahl need to be replaced asap.

Doesn't narrow it down much with him unfortunately.

 

[00VicWard001]

To me it's a combination. You need everything - good coaching, good recruiting, good player management, and ultimately, good players.

Of course you are correct.

The other aspect is just dumb luck. I honestly don't know if this can be an exact science. Using 2007 as an example, were we primed to win in 2007 through everything we did since 1999? Probably not. We were expected to be competitive in 2006 and failed badly. Likewise one moment with Nick Davis cruelled our chances in 2005 (?), and even if we got to the GF, we were stuffed with injuries and just too young.

Did the Hawks plan masterfully for their run? Not really. So many moments fall the way of one team on another to allow them to win a premiership. Ross Lyon is an excellent coach, and his Saints team was unbelievable - and all it took was a Heath Shaw smother or a Matt Scarlett toe poke for them to lose.

The Bulldogs in 2016 came from nowhere, but had the benefit of a new bye (caused by Ross Lyon's player management the year before).

Richmond nearly lost their coach before 2017 and Melbourne nearly lost theirs before 2021.

This luck factor can only become relevant if you are in a competing position. Often I feel that our team/coaches get us to the finals and then hope that a mystery wave will pick them up and take them all the way to the premiership.

 

[00VicWard001]

Not against Richmond in 2017. We'd beaten them a few weeks earlier. And finished higher than them on the ladder.
Nor against Richmond in 2019. We finished the home and away season on top.

I thought the MCG factor was telling in that 2017 final. As much as we need to play well there to win the premiership, we were overawed by the sea of tiger supporter and the psychological factor of not having our home game at home.

 

[00VicWard001]

I was ambivalent about Higgins selection.

As stated elsewhere, I was prepared for him to play Rd 1 based on popular opinion about his earlier ps game, which I didn't see.

His last game though, which I did watch, left me unimpressed. He shirked the contest on one particular occasion, and did little imo.

He and Dahl need to be replaced asap.

I noticed that too. Earlier he was willing to throw himself in and had a couple of good tackles and then suddenly he didnt go in as hard. Maybe pre-season. He's not a timid player by any means.

 

[Partridge]

I thought the MCG factor was telling in that 2017 final. As much as we need to play well there to win the premiership, we were overawed by the sea of tiger supporter and the psychological factor of not having our home game at home.

Except that we played there exactly 12 months earlier in a Qualifying Final against another MCG tenant in Hawthorn. In another home game that wasn't at home. Except of course we won, so it was never ever ever raised as an issue. That makes the whining about 2017 so annoying and pathetic (not directed at you).

Honest opinion - a lot of Geelong fans couldn't handle (and still can't) that a side they'd beaten in recent history dared to improve and hand some back. That to me was and is behind all of it. Like Geelong supporters hadn't dished out truckloads to Richmond over the years, but it's handed back once and that's outrageous? Please.

 

[you pick one]

What great news - Scott on board for another 3 years.

He was also fantastic the other night on FC.

Maybe maybe not,interesting podcast on this boars by Krock speculating sponsors weren't happy with the preposed extension of Scott prior to Hockings arrival and it may not have proceeded.Scott can't recall if he signed anything or not

 

[Cataholic]

Maybe maybe not,interesting podcast on this boars by Krock speculating sponsors weren't happy with the preposed extension of Scott prior to Hockings arrival and it may not have proceeded.Scott can't recall if he signed anything or not

Huh.... he can't recall whether he signed off on the 3 years??

 

[you pick one]

Huh.... he can't recall whether he signed off on the 3 years??

Go check the podcast it's around 25 minutes in.

 

[Cool Cat]

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Only PF we were favourites was the Swans 2016.

why would anyone put money on us in a final???

 

[Cataholic]

Go check the podcast it's around 25 minutes in.

How the hell do you 'forget' that detail when the negotiations have dragged on so long........unless he hasn't signed off as yet, and doesn't want to be caught in a lie if he says he has.

 

[Down at K Park]

Huh.... he can't recall whether he signed off on the 3 years??

He actually said the same thing on footy classified. Wasn’t sure if he’d signed yet. Or was that one of his political talk smokescreens to deflect attention away from the reasons behind not officially signing, after the club said it was imminent 6 months ago?