20 Disposals and a goal

[HairyO]

Ah yes another record soon to be equaled/broken by D Martin.

Great thread, really highlights the best hybrid mid forwards of the game

20 and 2

Dusty - 0
Barney - 12

Want to see the 20 and 3 stats as well ?

 

[Scritchyscroony]

Daicos did it three times in 86, 87 and 89

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Peter Daicos - 3 times (1986, 1987, 1989).

Averaged 18 possessions & 2.2 goals over his career.

How will juniors compare...

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Robbie Gray

9

Robbie Gray

Age

36

Ht

183cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.9

5star

K

9.8

4star

HB

10.1

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.4

5star

D

13.3

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

7.3

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.6

4star

D

10.4

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.4

4star

G

1.4

5star

- 5 times (2014-2016, 2018, 2019).

Avwraged 19 disposal & 1.4 goals over his career.

 

[Captain_Bender]

Garry Wilson 13 times

 

[Cleansweep17]

20 and 2

Dusty - 0
Barney - 12

Want to see the 20 and 3 stats as well ?

Are they against plumbers as well?

 

[Scritchyscroony]

Jim Krakouer did it 4 years in a row from 85' to 88'.

 

[PhatBoy]

Paul Chapman

Paul Chapman

Age

43

Ht

179cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.7

5star

K

12.8

5star

HB

6.9

4star

M

4.7

4star

T

3.5

5star

G

1.3

5star

No current season stats available

D

6.6

2star

K

4.0

2star

HB

2.6

3star

M

1.0

1star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.2

3star

7 seasons.

26 and 1.8 in 2009 was his best.

19.7 1.3 for his career

 

[Mr Meow]

Steve Johnson did it four times:
08: 20.3 & 2.1
11: 22.4 & 2.2
13: 28.7 & 1.2
15: 20.6 & 1.5

Narrowly missed out:
09: 19.9 & 2.2
10: 18.6 & 2.9
12: 22.1 & 0.9
14: 25.8 & 0.9

Career average of 19.2 & 1.8.

If you want to favour primary forwards (with some mid minutes) over primary mids (with some forward minutes) you probably just set it to 17 or 18 disposals and 1.5, 1.6 or 1.7 plus goals a game.

I'm reality it is just an analysis of forward/midfield minutes unless you have an obvious outlier freak (Matthews).

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Bob Skilton did it in 4 of his last 6 seasons. Before that disposals were not recorded. He played 9 seasons prior to that averaging over a goal per game in every one of them and I would not be shocked if he averaged over 20 disposals in almost all of those.

Skilton averaged 1.74 goals per game in his career, and if I had to guess by extrapolation from what is known, I would say he would have averaged around 27 disposals at least.

1968 Skilton averaged 32 disposals and 2.1 goals per game.

1959, his first Brownlow year, he averaged 3.75 goals per game, and I would guess a very healthy number of disposals as well, like 25+. He played 16 matches for 60 goals that season. If he had played in the 70's or 80's for a strong team, there is every chance that is a 100 goal season.

His 60 goals were made up game by game as follows:

0 goals = zero
1 goal = zero
2 goals = 3 times
3 goals = 7 times
4 goals = zero
5 goals = 5 times
6 goals = zero
7 goals = zero
8 goals = 1 time

So for the whole season he only every scored 2, 3, 5 or 8 goals in a game. There were only 379 goals scored in total in those 16 matches so Skilton scored 16% of all goals scored in those games that season whilst playing mainly on the ball. Astonishing season. Incredible record.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Robert Flower did it from a wing on 3 occasions.

In 2 other seasons he went really close:

1977 19.75 disposals and >1 goal
1980 22.6 disposals and 0.95 goals per game, fell 1 goal short

 

[Meteoric Rise]

In 1974 a pretty unlikely one, a certain K Sheedy 1.5 goals and 24 disposals.

 

[Dazb86]

I would have thought Brad Johnson

Brad Johnson

Age

48

Ht

182cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.7

5star

K

14.1

5star

HB

5.6

4star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.5

5star

No current season stats available

D

12.8

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

2.6

3star

M

2.2

3star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.6

3star

put up these sort of numbers a bit

 

[Cameron_Jezza]

If you want to favour primary forwards (with some mid minutes) over primary mids (with some forward minutes) you probably just set it to 17 or 18 disposals and 1.5, 1.6 or 1.7 plus goals a game.
I'm reality it is just an analysis of forward/midfield minutes unless you have an obvious outlier freak (Matthews).

Perhaps should be 20/1 seasons or 15/2 seasons combined as the assessment of these players, but that excludes a 19,1.9 season so isn't perfect either as an assessment.

 

[Grrr]

If you want to favour primary forwards (with some mid minutes) over primary mids (with some forward minutes) you probably just set it to 17 or 18 disposals and 1.5, 1.6 or 1.7 plus goals a game.

I'm reality it is just an analysis of forward/midfield minutes unless you have an obvious outlier freak (Matthews).

and Bartlett who didn't go forward until he was 32 years old. Of course midfielders used to rest in the pocket back then as there was no interchange (if you went off you stayed off).

 

[Mr Meow]

20 and 1 in reality is a fairly low bar for midfieldrr

and Bartlett who didn't go forward until he was 32 years old. Of course midfielders used to rest in the pocket back then as there was no interchange (if you went off you stayed off).

Bartlett was an outlier even if not as extreme as Matthews.

More than Martin.

 

[ferball]

If Ziebel did it twice it cant be that important a stat.

He's a Richmond coach now, shouldn't be in bold.

 

[sohohoho]

slightly off topic but Toby Greene

4

Toby Greene

Age

31

Ht

182cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.7

5star

K

12.5

5star

HB

10.2

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

3.0

5star

G

1.2

4star

D

17.5

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

8.0

4star

M

4.8

4star

T

1.0

2star

G

2.3

5star

D

26.6

5star

K

12.4

5star

HB

14.2

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

3.6

5star

G

0.0

1star

became the 7th player this season to pass 200 career games while averaging 20+ and 1.5+ goals per game.

Leigh Matthews, John Murphy, Kevin Bartlett, David Clarke, Rodney Ashman & Garry Wilson.

 

[Piggy Smalls]

Confirmed. Brent Harvey

Brent Harvey

Age

46

Ht

167cm

Wt

75kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.3

5star

K

13.2

5star

HB

8.2

5star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.1

4star

G

1.2

4star

No current season stats available

D

6.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

3.0

3star

M

1.2

2star

T

0.6

3star

G

0.6

3star

better than Martin and Ablett Jnr. I’ve seen enough to now declare him the GOAT.

 

[Royce Hafey]

Bob Skilton did it in 4 of his last 6 seasons. Before that disposals were not recorded. He played 9 seasons prior to that averaging over a goal per game in every one of them and I would not be shocked if he averaged over 20 disposals in almost all of those.

Skilton averaged 1.74 goals per game in his career, and if I had to guess by extrapolation from what is known, I would say he would have averaged around 27 disposals at least.

1968 Skilton averaged 32 disposals and 2.1 goals per game.

1959, his first Brownlow year, he averaged 3.75 goals per game, and I would guess a very healthy number of disposals as well, like 25+. He played 16 matches for 60 goals that season. If he had played in the 70's or 80's for a strong team, there is every chance that is a 100 goal season.

His 60 goals were made up game by game as follows:

0 goals = zero
1 goal = zero
2 goals = 3 times
3 goals = 7 times
4 goals = zero
5 goals = 5 times
6 goals = zero
7 goals = zero
8 goals = 1 time

So for the whole season he only every scored 2, 3, 5 or 8 goals in a game. There were only 379 goals scored in total in those 16 matches so Skilton scored 16% of all goals scored in those games that season whilst playing mainly on the ball. Astonishing season. Incredible record.

I haven't included Skilton for the same reason I haven't included Barassi (see my original post).

 

[perplexed]

A few from North

Peter German 6 times
Career average 21.4 and 1.1

Shannon Grant

Shannon Grant

Age

47

Ht

180cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

12.0

4star

HB

6.3

4star

M

4.6

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.2

4star

No current season stats available

D

11.2

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.8

4star

4 times
Career average 18.3 and 1.2

Jim Krakouer 4 times
Career average 19 and 1.6

Kym Hodgeman 3 times
Career average 21.0 and 1.2

 

[perplexed]

Boomer really should be top of this list. He did it in his last seven seasons before Brad Scott decided he should retire after a 21.6 and 1.6 year.

 

[Royce Hafey]

Paul Chapman 7 seasons.

26 and 1.8 in 2009 was his best.

19.7 1.3 for his career

8 actually. Don't go discounting a Cats player!

 

[STPer18]

Selwood twice, 2013 & 2014.

 

[Cleansweep17]

Pendlebury 0 including finals series I believe.