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Sivart reflected my views well. How many goals came from Bullshit freekicks. He earned one mark and one freak snap (which was awesome but not Frawley's fault)
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Sivart reflected my views well. How many goals came from Bullshit freekicks. He earned one mark and one freak snap (which was awesome but not Frawley's fault)
Great call, if Stevie J gets in then there are real problems. Did a bit of investigating on why it is I feel like he's had an ordinary year despite kicking so many goals and found out a couple of interesting stats.
In the 9 games the Stevie J has played in where the Cats have won by more than 50 points this season, he has kicked 40 goals, in the other 8 games he has played in, he has kicked 14 goals.
Been very, very ordinary when it counts this season but has managed to kick big multiple goals in the Cats demolition jobs...I dont think that could be all that hard considering the supply. If he gets in over LeCras or Green it will be an injustice.
My All Australian Team.. What do you think?
B.. B.GODDARD B.LAKE H.OBRIEN
HB.. C.ENRIGHT H.TAYLOR L.HODGE(cpt)
C. L.MONTAGNA L.HAYES J.SELWOOD
HF S.JOHNSON B.HALL P.CHAPMAN
F A.DIDAK J.RIEWOLDT M LeCRAS
RUCKS.. A.SANDILANDS D.SWAN
G.ABLETT
I/C S.PENDLEBURY, A.COONEY, M.PAVLICH(vc), A.GOODES
B.. B.GODDARD B.LAKE H.OBRIEN
HB.. C.ENRIGHT H.TAYLOR L.HODGE(cpt)
C. L.MONTAGNA L.HAYES J.SELWOOD
HF S.JOHNSON B.HALL P.CHAPMAN
F A.DIDAK J.RIEWOLDT M LeCRAS
RUCKS.. A.SANDILANDS D.SWAN
G.ABLETT
I/C S.PENDLEBURY, A.COONEY, M.PAVLICH(vc), A.GOODES
That's a J-Pod form line
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That analysis of Steve Johnson is misleading, in that of course in the games where Geelong wins by over 50 points, there will be a lot of goals and you cannot blame a forward for having a night out on those occasions. If you want to really do an analysis of him standing up in big games, ie 'when it counts', look at the goals scored and stats when Geelong play their premiership rivals. I don't have that stat on hand though.
1 goal from a free kick (another out on the full). The other two were snaps which, as you say, were pretty hard to stop. He kicked 3.2, 22 possessions (13 contested), 6 tackles in the most atrocious conditions possible for a key forward. Pretty good performance i'd have thought. His workrate was sensational.
B: C.Enright, B.Lake, J.Frawley
HB: B.Goddard, H.Taylor, L.Hodge
C: S.Pendlebury, L.Hayes, J.Selwood
HF: A.Didak, L.Franklin, P.Chapman
F: M.Lecras, J.Reiwoldt, B.Hall
R: A.Sandilands, D.Swan, G.Ablett
I: L.Montagna, S.Jhonson, C.Judd, M.Pavlich
*S.Gilbert, B.Deledio, M.Boyd, B.Green, A.Cooney* all unlucky and could come in. Pav for mine is hanging by a thread and if he doesn't have a good final 2 rounds, he is out. Buddy cannot afford to play bad or miss, lack of games hurting him but still feel he has been a dominate forward, Enright is only other concern for his spot with gilbert and deledio breathing down his neck. rest of the team writes itself really.
HB: B.Goddard, H.Taylor, L.Hodge
C: S.Pendlebury, L.Hayes, J.Selwood
HF: A.Didak, L.Franklin, P.Chapman
F: M.Lecras, J.Reiwoldt, B.Hall
R: A.Sandilands, D.Swan, G.Ablett
I: L.Montagna, S.Jhonson, C.Judd, M.Pavlich
*S.Gilbert, B.Deledio, M.Boyd, B.Green, A.Cooney* all unlucky and could come in. Pav for mine is hanging by a thread and if he doesn't have a good final 2 rounds, he is out. Buddy cannot afford to play bad or miss, lack of games hurting him but still feel he has been a dominate forward, Enright is only other concern for his spot with gilbert and deledio breathing down his neck. rest of the team writes itself really.
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Very very ordinary, lol. Travis Cloke has kicked 2 goals in the 3 Collingwood losses and draw combined. And only 2 bags of 5 in 'demolition jobs'.
Luckily no one is even mentioning his name in these AA threads.
my AAteam
FB - Johncock, Lake, Gilbert
HB - Goddard, Taylor, Enright
C - Montagna, Swan, Judd
HF - Chapman, Pavlich, Didak
FF - LeCras, J.Riewoldt, Green
R - Sandilands, Hodge(vc), Ablett(c)
i/c - Jamar, J.Selwood, Pendlebury, S.Johnson
^^^
(18 similar to SwanBet, 17 similar to Stucky)
FB - Johncock, Lake, Gilbert
HB - Goddard, Taylor, Enright
C - Montagna, Swan, Judd
HF - Chapman, Pavlich, Didak
FF - LeCras, J.Riewoldt, Green
R - Sandilands, Hodge(vc), Ablett(c)
i/c - Jamar, J.Selwood, Pendlebury, S.Johnson
^^^
(18 similar to SwanBet, 17 similar to Stucky)
melbournemartin
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Matthew Pavlich should not only be excluded from the tea but...vice captain?!?
Also James Frawley's a much better defender than O'Brien
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FMD, what a lame post.
Johnson is a valid AA candidate, so surely his performances can be scrutinised.
Cloke hasn't been mentioned by anyone other than you and you're simply trying to score cheap points.
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Also James Frawley's a much better defender than O'Brien
It's pretty sad that you have to keep reminding yourself of this fact in 99% of your posts regarding this topic.
melbournemartin
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Frawley - Lake - Enright
Goddard - Taylor - Deledio
Swan - Hodge - Chapman
Didak - Franklin - Green
LeCras - Riewoldt - Hall
Sandilands - Selwood - Ablett
Montagna - Judd - Hayes - Pendlebury
Goddard - Taylor - Deledio
Swan - Hodge - Chapman
Didak - Franklin - Green
LeCras - Riewoldt - Hall
Sandilands - Selwood - Ablett
Montagna - Judd - Hayes - Pendlebury
melbournemartin
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I'm not sure if Franklin would make my team but there hasn't really been a standout CHF. Very strong team though. I'm most pleased about you putting Chapman on the wing and not in the forward line. I don't think he's been good enough as a pure forward this year, but has been exceptional as a midfielder.
Not sure about Deledio either but he'll be in the squad at least. I just find it such a shame that Hardwick's wasting him in defence when his explosiveness would be best used in the centre.
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This is the cross which Franklin must bear. When judging him, people will often use the same criteria as they would when judging other dominant key forwards like Riewoldt, Brown, Richo, Tredrea, Carey and so on. I'm not arguing whether Buddy is better or worse than those guys, just observing the way people expect dominant key forwards to play.
When Buddy gets beaten in a few one-on-ones against a defender, I hear the opposition fans get besides themselves with excitement for ther job their CHB has performed. The funniest example of this was in 2008 when young Tom Williams made a few spoils against Buddy down in Tassie and the Bulldogs fans celebrated his "demolition job". They still talked about it years later. Never mind that Franklin kicked a lazy six goals (most of them arsey opportunist goals) for a badly beaten side that managed just 12 goals and 30 inside fifties all day.
You're right, Franklin has never been a big marking pack marking forward like your typical champion CHF. He can a take a mark, but the aerial work was never his forte. He is a 196cm opportunist. He turns his opponents inside out or loses them in traffic on his way back towards goal and kicking another "freaky snap".
But this is not all. He's not a lazy opportunist. As someone else has already said, his workrate his phenomenal - whether it be the constant defensive pressure or the pinch-hitting midfield outlet he provides, his weekly output dwarfs that of most forwards - big or small. Not many better sights than Buddy with a head of steam, winning a hard ball in the midfield, swimming through three tacklers and giving off the handball. Even when he occasionally bites off more than he can chew, takes on one-too-many tackles and gets pinged for holding the ball.
Is Brett Deledio really a chance for this thing, or can people not think of a better candidate? Seriously, I've watched him live about 6 times this season, I've watched him on TV another four or five times and I have seen him play to his considerable potential twice. Once against Adelaide, and once against Port Adelaide in the wet.
Not only this but I've seen him badly beaten by Opponents like Colin Sylvia (first time) and Lachie Henderson. Surely we are not just judging him highly because he's had a lot of kicks? When the ball is in your area 90 percent of the time its a lot easier to get a lot of kicks. Especially if the opposition is inaccurate. I would be flabbergasted if Deledio got in.
Not only this but I've seen him badly beaten by Opponents like Colin Sylvia (first time) and Lachie Henderson. Surely we are not just judging him highly because he's had a lot of kicks? When the ball is in your area 90 percent of the time its a lot easier to get a lot of kicks. Especially if the opposition is inaccurate. I would be flabbergasted if Deledio got in.
This my view on Franklin.
In all seriousness it should not even be considered not having him at CHF.
J Riewoldt and Hall are not CHFs.
N Riewoldt has missed most of the season.
Pavlich would be the only other genuine option and he has battled only kicking more than 1 goal 3 time in the last 9 weeks.
Franklin has 1 less goal than Pav but has played 5 less games and Buddy has kicked at least 3 goals in 11 of his last 12 games and the game he didnt he kicked 2.
So just pencil him in because he is clearly %100 the AA CHF.
In all seriousness it should not even be considered not having him at CHF.
J Riewoldt and Hall are not CHFs.
N Riewoldt has missed most of the season.
Pavlich would be the only other genuine option and he has battled only kicking more than 1 goal 3 time in the last 9 weeks.
Franklin has 1 less goal than Pav but has played 5 less games and Buddy has kicked at least 3 goals in 11 of his last 12 games and the game he didnt he kicked 2.
So just pencil him in because he is clearly %100 the AA CHF.
Still averaged more in those 8 games (1.75) than what Travis Cloke (1.55), Leon Davis (1.27) and Alan Didak (1.62) averaged for margins under 50 points. You don't think maybe that when Stevie plays well, Geelong tend to win by a lot?
SJ in 2 against the pie has been poor. Credit to HarryO who plays him very well and it is a slight worry for me come finals.
SJ broke his hand against the Saints so let that one slide.
Averages the most goals contributed in the AFL so give him some credit.
SJ broke his hand against the Saints so let that one slide.
Averages the most goals contributed in the AFL so give him some credit.
melbournemartin
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Don't forget Lynden Dunn in the second Melbourne vs Richmond game.
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Deledio's had a solid enough year but is not a defender and that will count against him. Richmond are a bottom two side and really it would be a shame to see them with more than one player in the All Australian team (Riewoldt does deserve it unless Hall goes crazy over the next couple of weeks).
His possessions are way down this season. He is playing closer to goal, and when your team is Geelong and you are playing close to goal it is not difficult to be involved in a lot of goals. Geelong are involved in a lot of goals, and a lot of one sided games.
Stevie J has not played one game this season that I can recall that has lifted the cats, or swung the game to the cats, or fought despite defeat for the cats. In all close or tough games this season, he has been disappointing. Bet of the year, round 22, Geelong v West Coast at Geelong, Stevie J kicks most goals. Either 5 or 6.
This week if you lose to Carlton, big IF, then Stevie J will not play well. If it is tight, Stevie J will not play well, if it is a walloping of epic proportions he will kick a bag.
