2011 crowds

[cos789]

I remember people saying exactly the same thing about the swans in the early 90's when our home crowds averaged 8,000

What year was that?

Sydney Swans Crowds and Attendances AFL Attendances By Year

Year Games Total Average
2011 11 286,940 26,085
2010 24 734,242 30,593
2009 22 678,852 30,857
2008 24 763,700 31,821
2007 23 837,350 36,407
2006 25 932,297 37,292
2005 26 963,304 37,050
2004 24 763,793 31,825
2003 24 782,068 32,586
2002 22 601,683 27,349
2001 23 718,498 31,239
2000 22 588,472 26,749
1999 23 812,981 35,347
1998 24 811,128 33,797
1997 23 763,573 33,199
1996 25 770,094 30,804
1995 22 417,044 18,957
1994 22 339,934 15,452
1993 20 256,062 12,803
1992 22 318,235 14,465
1991 22 340,787 15,490
1990 22 289,353 13,152
1989 22 285,247 12,966
1988 22 304,133 13,824
1987 24 618,061 25,753

I'm sure a succession of premierships would send Sydney Swans attendances through the roof .

 

[la47]

No chance.
Collingwood still has home games against Hawthorn (75k+), Essendon (75k+) and Geelong (85k+, possibly 90k+ if their playing for top spot)

Also, Carlton's home game against Hawthorn is at the Dome. Madness.

 

[Tim_in_Philly]

23,782 at the SCG, pretty poor

Really? Richmond don't draw very well in Sydney, it was on a Sunday afternoon in the middle of a long weekend and it was p***ing down most of the day.

Last year was 28,000 on a regular Saturday night in April in good weather.

The only non-wet game at the SCG this year drew 33,000.

 

[finders]

I remember people saying exactly the same thing about the swans in the early 90's when our home crowds averaged 8,000

The big difference is that the Storm have won 3 premierships in 10 years and are backed to the hilt by News Corp/Herald Sun.

Even this season they are one of the top teams whereas Sydney struggled for sometime in Sydney before they won a flag.

Australian Football has had a presence in NSW for over 100 years in NSW but RL was almost unknown in Victoria and when Victorian sports fans were exposed to this sport they have rejected it.

 

[Professor Knowall]

Was very impressed with the 43k crowd at Etihad today. Collingwood by comparison only drew 35k and 38k against Port and Adelaide respectively, Essendon drew 33k against West coast, and there were almost no Brisbane supporters there today.

Was the biggest ever H&A crowd between Carlton and Brisbane Bears/Lions

I'll acknowledge it was an excellent crowd. But its odd that you only compare it to Collingwood;s crowds against Port Adelaide and Adelaide (it did not escape me you ignored the 50k+ at the recent Collingwood v West Coast, yet then mentioned the Essendon v West coast crowd.

Contrary to the underlined bit in the post, Brisbane is easily second to Sydney in the numbers of its own barrackers it brings to its games in Melbourne - thanks to the loyal Lions supporters.

It's very good that the 43,617 'was the biggest ever H&A crowd between Carlton and Brisbane Bears/Lions'. For a better comparison, here are the crowds for the last 3 Collingwood v Brisbane played in Melbourne -

Round 10, 3rd June 2006, Attendance: 54,820
Round 17, 28th July 2007, Attendance: 45,096
Round 18, 1st August 2009, Attendance: 47,268

So the excellent best ever crowd of 43,617 for Calton would be a below average crowd for the Pies.

 

[la47]

I'll acknowledge it was an excellent crowd. But its odd that you only compare it to Collingwood;s crowds against Port Adelaide and Adelaide (it did not escape me you ignored the 50k+ at the recent Collingwood v West Coast, yet then mentioned the Essendon v West coast crowd.

Contrary to the underlined bit in the post, Brisbane is easily second to Sydney in the numbers of its own barrackers it brings to its games in Melbourne - thanks to the loyal Lions supporters.

I compared Etihad crowds, like for like. And there were very very few Brisbane supporters there on Sunday, probably because of their chances of winning the game. I'd expect a lot more Sydney supporters next week

 

[Professor Knowall]

I compared Etihad crowds, like for like. ...

OK, but if you wanted to compare, then comparing Carlton and Collingwoods (or for that matter Essendon's) home crowds against Brisbane would have been a much better 'like for like'.

Heres a list of YTD crowds per club and averages -

Team Games Total Average
Collingwood 11 678,073 61,643

Essendon 11 550,878 50,080

Carlton 11 524,780 47,707

Richmond 11 472,519 42,956

Geelong 11 470,000 42,727

Hawthorn 11 456,008 41,455

St Kilda 11 431,096 39,191

Melbourne 11 405,570 36,870

West Coast 11 380,011 34,546

Fremantle 11 360,284 32,753

Adelaide 11 359,626 32,693

Wst Bulldogs 11 351,343 31,940

Brisbane 11 299,241 27,204

Sydney 11 286,940 26,085

North Melb 11 286,693 26,063

Gold Coast 10 251,197 25,120

Port Adelaide 11 245,361 22,306

ALL 93 3, 404,810 36,611

 

[im_a_lazy_sod]

damn that bigger stadium can't come any sooner - we'd be pushing 45-50k and the eagles around 55-60k each week we play at home

am still pretty happy with our crowd figures given how poorly we draw interstate

port are in (even more) trouble with such low figures

 

[gaelictiogar]

No chance.
Collingwood still has home games against Hawthorn (75k+), Essendon (75k+) and Geelong (85k+, possibly 90k+ if their playing for top spot)

Carlton still have big drawing games as well and if they stay top 4 it could be close. A lot also depends on the form of opponents. EG the 75K V Essendon depends on Essendon not plummetting wich they probably will. it will be more like 60/65K if they do. Equally Carlton have a second Richmond game. If the Tiges beat the Lions and Dees that could be a big game for them.

We'll see.

 

[Professor Knowall]

As round 12 this year is half way, we can now compare to halfway last year - which was round 11.

So, here goes. The comparison shows a higher aggregate (as expected, with 5 more games) and a lower average (as expected as the Gold Coast was always going to reduce the crowd average) -

2011 Total: 3,405,373 93 games Average 36,617

2010 Total: 3,305,300 88 games Average 37,560

So, compared to last years half way mark, the crowd aggregate is up by 100,073, the crowd average down by 943.

 

[la47]

Poor weekend of crowds. Sub 40k tonight. Biggest crowd of the round will be Carlton Sydney

 

[Dont be a lemon]

Round 13 crowds

Western Bulldogs v Adelaide (Docklands) 19,363
Essendon v North Melbourne (Docklands) 42,329
Hawthorn v Gold Coast (York) 16,377
Brisbane v Richmond (Gabba) 21,510
St Kilda v Geelong (MCG) 39,539
Melbourne v Fremantle (MCG) 19,092
Carlton v Sydney (Docklands) 42,788
West Coast v Port Adelaide (Subiaco) 35,059

 

[Monty of the Shire]

What year was that?

Sydney Swans Crowds and Attendances AFL Attendances By Year

Year Games Total Average
2011 11 286,940 26,085
2010 24 734,242 30,593
2009 22 678,852 30,857
2008 24 763,700 31,821
2007 23 837,350 36,407
2006 25 932,297 37,292
2005 26 963,304 37,050
2004 24 763,793 31,825
2003 24 782,068 32,586
2002 22 601,683 27,349
2001 23 718,498 31,239
2000 22 588,472 26,749
1999 23 812,981 35,347
1998 24 811,128 33,797
1997 23 763,573 33,199
1996 25 770,094 30,804
1995 22 417,044 18,957
1994 22 339,934 15,452
1993 20 256,062 12,803
1992 22 318,235 14,465
1991 22 340,787 15,490
1990 22 289,353 13,152
1989 22 285,247 12,966
1988 22 304,133 13,824
1987 24 618,061 25,753

I'm sure a succession of premierships would send Sydney Swans attendances through the roof .

Late 80's/early 90's, 12k was it? I remember some really low crowds back then though. On the upside it was really easy for my Dad and myself to get a seat next to the Swanettes

You're right, a few granny wins would do wonders.

 

[cos789]

Late 80's/early 90's, 12k was it? .

I don't see the relevance to a period so long ago .
It is quite easy to see the potential of the Swans in Sydney
with the the large crowds they occasionally pull and their underlying healthy average .The Storm on the other hand have always gravitated around the 10k figure despite moving to the gun stadium must still be considered an expansion side underwritten by News .

 

[Mr Ripper]

Late 80's/early 90's, 12k was it? I remember some really low crowds back then though. On the upside it was really easy for my Dad and myself to get a seat next to the Swanettes

You're right, a few granny wins would do wonders.

A keen eye might have picked up that the figures quoted were over the Swans' full 22 game season, and not just their home matches which were, indeed, hovering around the 9K mark in the early 90s.

 

[cos789]

A keen eye might have picked up that the figures quoted were over the Swans' full 22 game season, and not just their home matches which were, indeed, hovering around the 9K mark in the early 90s.

Again , what is the relvance of revisting attendance figures of a period so long ago when the original point was in reference to Storm's current position at around 10k .

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[Mr Ripper]

You would have preferred we let you get away with providing misleading figures?

 

[Sebastian Balboa]

Round 13 crowds

Western Bulldogs v Adelaide (Docklands) 19,363
Essendon v North Melbourne (Docklands) 42,329
Hawthorn v Gold Coast (York) 16,377
Brisbane v Richmond (Gabba) 21,510
St Kilda v Geelong (MCG) 39,539
Melbourne v Fremantle (MCG) 19,092
Carlton v Sydney (Docklands) 42,788
West Coast v Port Adelaide (Subiaco) 35,059

Wookie, I've found your calculator...

Get to work, son.

 

[Monty of the Shire]

I don't see the relevance to a period so long ago .
It is quite easy to see the potential of the Swans in Sydney
with the the large crowds they occasionally pull and their underlying healthy average .The Storm on the other hand have always gravitated around the 10k figure despite moving to the gun stadium must still be considered an expansion side underwritten by News .

It's relevant to the conversation - if you flick back a page on this thread Finders said 9,800 people at the Storm game showed 'conclusively that RL is not wanted in Melbourne'. My response was that the swans got similar shitty crowds back in the late 80's/early 90's when I first started attending games yet they flourished eventually.

 

[cos789]

It's relevant to the conversation - if you flick back a page on this thread Finders said 9,800 people at the Storm game showed 'conclusively that RL is not wanted in Melbourne'. My response was that the swans got similar shitty crowds back in the late 80's/early 90's when I first started attending games yet they flourished eventually.

What relevance ? What logic suggests this .
Then history of the Sydney Swans is different to the Brisbane Lions and every other team that has gone through a lean patch .
Why not quote the Western Reds , the Adelaide Rams etc .
The Swans suffered due to lack of money .
The Bears suffered due to lack of players .
The Storm to not suffer from a lack of money or players .
The Western Force have been losing crowds at 2k a year for some time .
The Rebels are now in town don't you think that might be an influence .
Soccer had an abundance of clubs running around but not so now .
Why not look at the Swan Districts WAFL club that used to play to 10k crowds then almost folded and has now bounced back .
Why not look at the local Sydney AFL side that is so popular now that they are now playing on Waverley Oval Bondi (historical RU and rl ground) after a $9 million spend .
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[Monty of the Shire]

The big difference is that the Storm have won 3 premierships in 10 years and are backed to the hilt by News Corp/Herald Sun.

Even this season they are one of the top teams whereas Sydney struggled for sometime in Sydney before they won a flag.

Australian Football has had a presence in NSW for over 100 years in NSW but RL was almost unknown in Victoria and when Victorian sports fans were exposed to this sport they have rejected it.

Yep I agree they are underwritten by news corp. They probably realise they need a presence there to seem credible from a national perspective. And I guess there are 8,000 melburnians a week at least who dont reject it so maybe too early to write it off. Remember league attendances arent massive, so 8k isnt the end of the world. i support Cronulla and we get around 12k, when playing well we selllout the ground at 21k !

100 year history in NSW it may have but as someone who played aussie rules in Sydney in the 80's, trust me it was a complete oddity to almost everyone. I copped the same looks as the boys at school who played gridiron. Times have changed thankfully, proably for gridiron as well.

 

[Monty of the Shire]

What relevance ? What logic suggests this .
Then history of the Sydney Swans is different to the Brisbane Lions and every other team that has gone through a lean patch .
Why not quote the Western Reds , the Adelaide Rams etc .
The Swans suffered due to lack of money .
The Bears suffered due to lack of players .
The Storm to not suffer from a lack of money or players .
The Western Force have been losing crowds at 2k a year for some time .
The Rebels are now in town don't you think that might be an influence .
Soccer had an abundance of clubs running around but not so now .
Why not look at the Swan Districts WAFL club that used to play to 10k crowds then almost folded and has now bounced back .
Why not look at the local Sydney AFL side that is so popular now that they are now playing on Waverley Oval Bondi (historical RU and rl ground) after a $9 million spend .
.

I'm not sure where the debate has wandered to here, so to keep it short - my point was that shitty crowds dont always spell a death knell. we got through it at the swans.

 

[Monty of the Shire]

A keen eye might have picked up that the figures quoted were over the Swans' full 22 game season, and not just their home matches which were, indeed, hovering around the 9K mark in the early 90s.

haha so my memory isnt failing me after all, well picked up

 

[cos789]

I'm not sure where the debate has wandered .

I can see .It's all about logic .

my point was that shitty crowds dont always spell a death knell.

Yes , and a good case is the Storm where they don't have the worst attendances by rl standards but they exist only due to News support .

we got through it at the swans.

Yes , again tthe Swans got through a rough patch to return to the required level .The Storm aren't going through a rough patch -it's pretty much their normal level of support .

 

[finders]

It's relevant to the conversation - if you flick back a page on this thread Finders said 9,800 people at the Storm game showed 'conclusively that RL is not wanted in Melbourne'. My response was that the swans got similar shitty crowds back in the late 80's/early 90's when I first started attending games yet they flourished eventually.

What I was pointing out was that the Storm have won 3 Premierships in 10 short years and are on top again and are owned and funded/promoted heavily by the biggest selling newspaper/news group in the nation and still they are pulling pathetic crowds to the new stadium that was going to be their saviour.

On the other hand Sydney Swans/South Melb when they started had a hostile press and no money.