Opinion 2013 Best 22

[Woods4life]

Tough first month for collingwood. What are the expectations for rounds 1 to 4?

North. WIN
Carlton. 50/50 our recent record is shit.
Hawks. You'd have to say no.
Richmond. WIN.

As long as we notch up 3 wins we should be fine.
I'm more worried about our last month of the season...

 

[HBFlanker]

North. WIN
Carlton. 50/50 our recent record is shit.
Hawks. You'd have to say no.
Richmond. WIN.

As long as we notch up 3 wins we should be fine.
I'm more worried about our last month of the season...

Yes the last month is also tough.

My opinion

North 50/50 etihad a huge factor
Carlton 50/50
Hawthorn 25/75 doubtful but not out of the question
Richmond 75/25 they need a big scalp but pies should win comfortably

If collingwood lose their first three it will take a great effort to finish top 4

 

[Woods4life]

Yes the last month is also tough.

My opinion

North 50/50 etihad a huge factor
Carlton 50/50
Hawthorn 25/75 doubtful but not out of the question
Richmond 75/25 they need a big scalp but pies should win comfortably

If collingwood lose their first three it will take a great effort to finish top 4

Yeah your right about the etihad factor against North. We play terrible there for some unknown reason.
Yeah Carlton definitely 50/50.
Yeah agree with hawks 25/75.
Richmond 75/25 too.

We play essendon and st Kilda in rounds 5 and 6 so I'd mark then down as wins. Well definitely st Kilda. Essendon a 60/40.
I agree with you though, a tough start. Could define the season. North copped a shocking fixture. It will take a great effort for the Roos to make the 8, I believe they can do it though.

 

[Gone Critical]

Tough first month for collingwood. What are the expectations for rounds 1 to 4?

I would expect to be 3:1 or 4:0 after round 4. Don't think it is that tough a start. Hawks obviously the big game

North. Would expect to win this. Apart form late last year we have a great record against the Roos and superior talent

Carlton. Blues are hard to pick this year but again I expect us to be better than them so should win

Hawks. For mine Hawks and Pies ahve best 2 lists in the comp. Last year they had our measure but should be a 50:50 match this year.

Richmond. Should win this against an opponent who is expected to be a possible top 8 candidate at best.

 

[Laser Beams]

Pretty sure he just asked a question.

 

[nahnah]

im liking russel taking o'briens role allowing harry O to move up on a wing (far away from defence). Team is to difficult to pick for me. We have an incredible amount of depth.

Any one else saw a little bit of wellingham in Marley last night? Tough quick clearance player who struggles to kick it well. Seedsman looks really good, shaw is getting older so he is a good player coming up.

Delivery into forward line still need work.....lol

 

[Knightmare]

B: Alan Toovey Nathan Brown Nick Maxwell
HB: Harry O'Brien Ben Reid Heath Shaw
CEN: Steele Sidebottom Dayne Beams Dale Thomas
HF: Alex Fasolo Travis Cloke Luke Ball
F: Brent Macaffer Quinten Lynch Andrew Krakouer
FOLL: Darren Jolly Scott Pendlebury Dane Swan
BENCH: Jarryd Blair Paul Seedsman Jordan Russell
SUB: Jamie Elliott

 

[Woods4life]

B: Alan Toovey Nathan Brown Nick Maxwell
HB: Harry O'Brien Ben Reid Heath Shaw
CEN: Steele Sidebottom Dayne Beams Dale Thomas
HF: Alex Fasolo Travis Cloke Luke Ball
F: Brent Macaffer Quinten Lynch Andrew Krakouer
FOLL: Darren Jolly Scott Pendlebury Dane Swan
BENCH: Jarryd Blair Paul Seedsman Jordan Russell
SUB: Jamie Elliott

No Clinton young?

 

[sr36]

Does anyone else think that Frost may go past N. Brown this year?

 

[Woods4life]

Does anyone else think that Frost may go past N. Brown this year?

I'm a bit worried about browny. He's lack of pace can hurt him sometimes. 'Id almost have a fit Keeffe ahead of browny. I'm hoping browny can find some form early and get his confidence up

 

[Knightmare]

No Clinton young?

Not for me. Seedsman I think can go past him and have a real breakout season.

With Ball and Thomas probably not ready for round one then injuries through the season Young probably plays most games but with a fully healthy list Young would not be in my best team at this point.

 

[Tbone McGraw]

I'm a bit worried about browny. He's lack of pace can hurt him sometimes. 'Id almost have a fit Keeffe ahead of browny. I'm hoping browny can find some form early and get his confidence up

Totally agree. Brown is our biggest worry for me. What has happened to his 2010 grand final/s form.

I am hoping it is just the knee injuries holding him back currently and he will get back to his best and be our long term fullback.

Keeffe is a gun imo.

 

[TradeDraft]

Will see when NAB Cup is over

 

[Knightmare]

Frost certainly has the potential to become a very good key defender. I think he Brown and Keeffe over coming years can all contest for key defence positions.

It's too early to say whether he will pass Brown by for it to even be a validquestion in its self is an endorsement. But until he has passed Brown/Keeffe by he hasn't and will need to take that attitude because nothing is just given to you and Brown/Keeffe are no scrubs.

 

[nahnah]

Frost certainly has the potential to become a very good key defender. I think he Brown and Keeffe over coming years can all contest for key defence positions.

It's too early to say whether he will pass Brown by for it to even be a validquestion in its self is an endorsement. But until he has passed Brown/Keeffe by he hasn't and will need to take that attitude because nothing is just given to you and Brown/Keeffe are no scrubs.

I don't see the whole sudden interest in upgrading him and can't see any way he will pass Brown at any stage. He played well in the NAB cup and who exactly was the full forward he was playing on. Brown has incredible pedigree and has performed on the biggest stage.
Personally I hope he turns out to be a good afl player but he is no way near getting a game. I think hudson and either martin or yagmoor will eventually win senior spots.

 

[Woods4life]

Not for me. Seedsman I think can go past him and have a real breakout season.

With Ball and Thomas probably not ready for round one then injuries through the season Young probably plays most games but with a fully healthy list Young would not be in my best team at this point.

Seedsman needs to spend more time in the gym and needs to toughen up a bit. I questions his attack on the footy at times. Only thing letting him down. He's got the pace and skills. Young is ahead of him, for now.. Young is a good tackler, quick and at times uses his foot skills well. His ball use can let him down at times but I'd still have him ahead of Seedsman at the moment..

 

[loki04]

Brown is chronically underrated on this site, when was the last time Brown had a bag kicked on him or even 4 goals?

He come off 2 knee injuries and held up well.

 

[the mighty T]

Went into this Friday nights game with a specific focus on observing how our small/mid forwards went about their business. Was really impressed by Elliott, thought his attack on the ball was terrific and more importantly than that, he hit the scoreboard. Same with Sinclair.. showed great pressure and pace. Great to see the Caff back out there, looked fit as and showed the type of pressure weve lacked in the front half. I guess Krak for me was the one who looked a step behind, but its preseason and that will all change. Still, between those 4, Goldy and the Fas, spots are going to be hard to come by

 

[Pies_10]

B: Alan Toovey Nathan Brown Nick Maxwell
HB: Harry O'Brien Ben Reid Heath Shaw
CEN: Steele Sidebottom Dayne Beams Dale Thomas
HF: Alex Fasolo Travis Cloke Luke Ball
F: Brent Macaffer Quinten Lynch Andrew Krakouer
FOLL: Darren Jolly Scott Pendlebury Dane Swan
BENCH: Jarryd Blair Clinton Young Jordan Russell
SUB: Jamie Elliott

 

[Knightmare]

Seedsman needs to spend more time in the gym and needs to toughen up a bit. I questions his attack on the footy at times. Only thing letting him down. He's got the pace and skills. Young is ahead of him, for now.. Young is a good tackler, quick and at times uses his foot skills well. His ball use can let him down at times but I'd still have him ahead of Seedsman at the moment..

You are right to say Seedsman still does need to get stronger and continue to build his body up. In saying that I consider Seedsman much harder than Young. Seedsman is an incredibly willing tackler and much more willing to go in and win his own ball, despite his lean build. Young doesn't do that and it's not his game as with a Ben Johnson where he is and will only ever be outside only, which is fine but it's just who he is whereas Seedsman is more a combo mid who is certainly more outside but he can and will increasingly be able to play more inside.

With the season just starting now nothing is yet clear. All I'm saying is don't sleep on Seedsman. Reports suggest along with Macaffer that he has been one of the hardest trainers over the break and now with his game feeling better adjusted at senior level and now capable of playing at that pace he feels ready to break out and come into his own.

 

[Knightmare]

Brown is chronically underrated on this site, when was the last time Brown had a bag kicked on him or even 4 goals?

He come off 2 knee injuries and held up well.

Pavlich kicked 5 on Brown in round 14 but in saying this I agree with what you are saying. Brown is in our best side and he does his job every week. I expect he'll be better again this year with that extra preseason into him so I'm not concerned about his position in the side this year.

Perhaps in future seasons Keeffe contests with Brown for that position - his first half to 2012 was incredible so he has to enter that discussion but coming off the ACL I can't imagine it will be this year.

Frost is just a wait and see. He's not ahead of anyone until he is. Athletically he is the most gifted of our defenders and with his strong build maybe he becomes something. But he does have his limitations and will in a rebounding sense always be that more limited guy but he does look like he could be good enough to come in and play some senior footy if required so it will be interesting to see how far he can take his game because there is something there and a few preseasons into him and he can take his game further than most think.

 

[the mighty T]

Frost is just a wait and see. He's not ahead of anyone until he is. Athletically he is the most gifted of our defenders and with his strong build maybe he becomes something. But he does have his limitations and will in a rebounding sense always be that more limited guy but he does look like he could be good enough to come in and play some senior footy if required so it will be interesting to see how far he can take his game because there is something there and a few preseasons into him and he can take his game further than most think.

Dont know about that mate, i'd put Reid and Hartley right up there in that category, however with that VFL experience that makes him a more well rounded shutdown defender. Love the way he doesnt shy away from the contest. At this stage i cant see him cracking the seniors as the role he plays puts him in direct competition with Keefe and Brown who i still think are a little ways ahead. Definately something to work with though

 

[loki04]

Pavlich kicked 5 on Brown in round 14 but in saying this I agree with what you are saying. Brown is in our best side and he does his job every week. I expect he'll be better again this year with that extra preseason into him so I'm not concerned about his position in the side this year.

Perhaps in future seasons Keeffe contests with Brown for that position - his first half to 2012 was incredible so he has to enter that discussion but coming off the ACL I can't imagine it will be this year.

Frost is just a wait and see. He's not ahead of anyone until he is. Athletically he is the most gifted of our defenders and with his strong build maybe he becomes something. But he does have his limitations and will in a rebounding sense always be that more limited guy but he does look like he could be good enough to come in and play some senior footy if required so it will be interesting to see how far he can take his game because there is something there and a few preseasons into him and he can take his game further than most think.

Kicked 3 on Brown 1 on Reid and 1 when he floated forward loose after going into the midfield for a small stint.

The 3rd was from a dodgy free kick paid against Brown when Pav was holding the front of his guernsey.

Point is he rarely gets spanked and holds up our structures allows Reid to free up and is a better player then Keeffe who seems to be getting better the longer he is injured.

 

[4tone]

2013 will truly be a best 30-33 and not best 22 season. There should and i hope be no shame in listing players as rested for games against the suns and gws and similar bottom clubs, a fully fit club this includes other power house clubs, should rotate all players that are best 22 quality. This for a couple reasons, firstly it shows all players are of equal worth to thier clubs, fresh ready to explode in all games and not just bigger games, and more importantly player delevopment whilst still maintaining our current premiership window, why have a window open for 2/3 years when it can be open 10 or more years, think manchester united.


I hope to see the entire list best 22 quality by seasons end, and I think if Buckley was to be asked he would say exactly the same about the list.

Sit back and enjoy. 2013 is going to one remember.

 

[doppleganger]

I'm a bit worried about browny. He's lack of pace can hurt him sometimes. 'Id almost have a fit Keeffe ahead of browny. I'm hoping browny can find some form early and get his confidence up

N.Brown is fecking quick for a KPD!

N.Brown is more your Presti, ie he is a bit like a caravan who latches onto the hip of the forward and is rarely shaken.

Keeffe reminds me more of a Wakelin type, has the ability to compete in the air much better, but perhaps susceptible to a quick lead.

N.Brown will be FB in 2013, Keeffe lower expectations due to returning from a knee.