2013 Sheffield Shield Final

[Bradesmaen]

Hmmm... I could believe the deck was seeming, or I could believe that the whole South African and Australian team other than Wade threw their wickets away....
Also, you conveniently didn't address the other innings I mentioned when it was clearly a difficult match and Wade won it for us

They really threw their wickets away making 500 didn't they.

 

[sherb]

I only give Paine shit because I think he's quite talented.

1 hundred in 59 First Class matches is an embarrassment to someone with such potential.

And I'm sure he is very much aware of that. And is working to rectify it.

But, living in the present, today he came in at 5/15 with Tassie only 209 ahead. And probably 150 overs still left in the game. And played an innings (along with Faulkner) which has probably ensured we win the shield.

So the hundreds issue and the pissing contest involving Wade means little in light of that. To me at least.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

So the hundreds issue and the pissing contest involving Wade means little in light of that. To me at least.

I haven't said anything comparing him to Wade, so you must be referring to others there.

I think the 100s thing is a pertinent issue with him. It's a shame he hasn't cashed in on his talent, but he's only 28 and has time. I'd love to see him make it.

And yes, well done to him today. Still, another chance missed. People gave Watson so much crap about missing 100s so Paine is fair game too.

 

[eth-dog]

They really threw their wickets away making 500 didn't they.

I'm pretty sure he was referring to when they made 225 in the first innings.

 

[Mateyman]

They really threw their wickets away making 500 didn't they.

Nah, that was when they made 225

 

[Bradesmaen]

Nah, that was when they made 225

Oh in that case.. yes they did throw their wickets away. The ball swung a bit, but it wasn't that dangerous.

Also you say Wade didn't throw away his wicket.. what is this then? "45.5 81.6 kph, Look at Peterson celebrate! Tossed up outside off and Wade wanted to slog that away and he missed it completely and it went straight through"

at 7/140.. he may have led a tiny rescue, but that was inexcusable and basically made the rest of his innings rather meaningless. He was in with Hastings too who can bat quite easily.

 

[Mateyman]

Oh in that case.. yes they did throw their wickets away. The ball swung a bit, but it wasn't that dangerous.

Also you say Wade didn't throw away his wicket.. what is this then? "45.5 81.6 kph, Look at Peterson celebrate! Tossed up outside off and Wade wanted to slog that away and he missed it completely and it went straight through"

at 7/140.. he may have led a tiny rescue, but that was inexcusable and basically made the rest of his innings rather meaningless. He was in with Hastings too who can bat quite easily.

Riiiiiight....
his 68 was meaningless.... yep, I'm sure we'd all have gathered a great 9 from Quiney than 68 from Wade.

 

[Zgope1]

Get on Faulkner as our all rounder for the ashes. Bowling all rounder who's actually excellent at one skill and proven, and has plenty of talent with the bat too.

England wouldn't want to face Bird, Siddle, Pattinson and Faulkner. There'd be no respite. Let us play to our strengths.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Riiiiiight....
his 68 was meaningless.... yep, I'm sure we'd all have gathered a great 9 from Quiney than 68 from Wade.

6/45 to 8/140.. its not exactly a major difference. Either way South African gained all the momentum. Had it been 8/240, then South Africa would not have come out swinging like they did in the second innings. Wade killed any momentum Australia had with a typically reckless shot from a T20 specialist.

 

[Sealz]

So...

Shield final, have the selectors put through the call for Qld to rest Harris?

 

[BarneyBent]

Shield final would be a brilliant time for Faulkner to bring up his maiden FC century. He's a bloody exciting player. Don't want him selected for Tests as an allrounder yet though, he's not good enough to bat top 7. Should definitely go to England as one of our quicks though.

 

[CAS79]

Put it in whatever international context you like. I just know that today Tim Paine's batting was sensational at a time in a Shield final that required a top effort to save the game that was actually falling rapidly from Tasmania's grasp. He turned the game today and whether he got a ton or not, his innings has impacted this match, that counts for much more than a notch in the stats book.

 

[Mateyman]

6/45 to 8/140.. its not exactly a major difference. Either way South African gained all the momentum. Had it been 8/240, then South Africa would not have come out swinging like they did in the second innings. Wade killed any momentum Australia had with a typically reckless shot from a T20 specialist.

Yeah, it's the difference between being embarrassed with another debacle like 49, and just a poor innings

 

[Bradesmaen]

Yeah, it's the difference between being embarrassed with another debacle like 49, and just a poor innings

You mean you weren't embarrassed being all out for 160odd on a batting pitch? Also, it wasn't like Wade was out there blocking the ball around. He was throwing his bat and got lucky 3 times atleast when slogging. He's the hot head in a time for a cool head.

 

[Mateyman]

You mean you weren't embarrassed being all out for 160odd on a batting pitch? Also, it wasn't like Wade was out there blocking the ball around. He was throwing his bat and got lucky 3 times atleast when slogging. He's the hot head in a time for a cool head.

IT WAS NOT A BATTING PITCH. A PITCH WHERE BOTH TEAMS ARE SUB 250 IN THE FIRST INNINGS IS NOT BATTING FRIENDLY.
I'll take a hot head if he saves us 3/15 test matches from the keeper position. I can't actually believe we're arguing that Wade's batting is better than Paine's, isso bleedingly obvious, from their averages across all competitions

 

[sherb]

You mean you weren't embarrassed being all out for 160odd on a batting pitch? Also, it wasn't like Wade was out there blocking the ball around. He was throwing his bat and got lucky 3 times atleast when slogging. He's the hot head in a time for a cool head.

IT WAS NOT A BATTING PITCH. A PITCH WHERE BOTH TEAMS ARE SUB 250 IN THE FIRST INNINGS IS NOT BATTING FRIENDLY.
I'll take a hot head if he saves us 3/15 test matches from the keeper position. I can't actually believe we're arguing that Wade's batting is better than Paine's, isso bleedingly obvious, from their averages across all competitions

So, what did you guys think of today's play in the shield final?

You do realize it's on, right?

 

[Mateyman]

So, what did you guys think of today's play in the shield final?

You do realize it's on, right?

What's that?
There a shield final... ohhhhhhhhhh
Must have misread the thread title... actually no, I blame someone else, I could've sworn this thread was titled Mathew Wade vs Tim Paine

 

[sherb]

What's that?
There a shield final... ohhhhhhhhhh
Must have misread the thread title... actually no, I blame someone else, I could've sworn this thread was titled Mathew Wade vs Tim Paine

That's actually the subtitle.

Put it in whatever international context you like. I just know that today Tim Paine's batting was sensational at a time in a Shield final that required a top effort to save the game that was actually falling rapidly from Tasmania's grasp. He turned the game today and whether he got a ton or not, his innings has impacted this match, that counts for much more than a notch in the stats book.

I have been trying to make that point myself, it seems to have got lost among peripheral issues somehow.

 

[The Passenger]

I'll take a hot head if he saves us 3/15 test matches from the keeper position. I can't actually believe we're arguing that Wade's batting is better than Paine's, isso bleedingly obvious, from their averages across all competitions

including their average in test cricket ? (albeit a small sample size for paine)...

i was a fan of matthew wade's inclusion and i thought wade had gone past paine in the pecking order and then when paine did his finger that sealed the deal.

but wade's keeping has been suspect at best. lets say they bat to their first class performance in test cricket, wade (at 8 runs per innings more than paine) offers about 13 to 15 runs a match more than paine once you factor in not outs and DNB's that the number 7 generally racks up. looking at some of wade's keeping it is very arguable that he has cost us easily that amount of runs in the field that a good keeper (paine, hartley) would have taken.

factor in that paine looks well suited temperament wise to batting in test cricket and i think that 8 runs per dismissal will narrow just a fraction, although wade is a better batsmen imo.

 

[Mateyman]

including their average in test cricket ? (albeit a small sample size for paine)...

i was a fan of matthew wade's inclusion and i thought wade had gone past paine in the pecking order and then when paine did his finger that sealed the deal.

but wade's keeping has been suspect at best. lets say they bat to their first class performance in test cricket, wade (at 8 runs per innings more than paine) offers about 13 to 15 runs a match more than paine once you factor in not outs and DNB's that the number 7 generally racks up. looking at some of wade's keeping it is very arguable that he has cost us easily that amount of runs in the field that a good keeper (paine, hartley) would have taken.

factor in that paine looks well suited temperament wise to batting in test cricket and i think that 8 runs per dismissal will narrow just a fraction, although wade is a better batsmen imo.

I haven't been arguing whether Paine or Wade should be in the team, I've been arguing that Wade is the better BATSMAN.

 

[The Passenger]

I haven't been arguing whether Paine or Wade should be in the team, I've been arguing that Wade is the better BATSMAN.

i agree he is, though i don't think the 8 runs per dismissal in first class cricket is truly indicative of the difference in what they can do with the bat. for both batsmen and bowlers from tassie of the last decade you can pretty much increase their average by about 5-10%. and you can decrease the south australian blokes about the same. the rest of the grounds are pretty much comparable.

i dont think there is any method on cricinfo for comparing overall averages amongst grounds. i might see what i can whip up during the winter.

 

[sherb]

I haven't been arguing whether Paine or Wade should be in the team, I've been arguing that Wade is the better BATSMAN.

Better average, yes.

Paine has the better temperament though in my view. Wade is very Haddin-esque to me, prone to brain fades.

To me, Wade would make the bigger scores from time to time, and score more quickly, while Paine would be more consistent and reliable.

bt's point is valid though, being a better batsman is somewhat negated if you aren't comparatively up to scratch as a keeper.

Anyway, as I was saying, did you know the shield final is being played?

 

[CAS79]

Anyway, as I was saying, did you know the shield final is being played?

Thank you Sherb. thorne89 can you direct the keeper spot for the national team elsewhere for the time being.

For some of us this is trophy is rather significant, others not so but if it's not your thing let those of care have our thread without the Wade debate... for another 24 hours.

 

[sherb]

Thank you Sherb. thorne89 can you direct the keeper spot for the national team elsewhere for the time being.

For some of us this is trophy is rather significant, others not so but if it's not your thing let those of care have our thread without the Wade debate... for another 24 hours.

Indeed. But not at all, not for just another 24 hours.

There is a thread on the main board devoted to Wade IIRC where this discussion can be conducted.

Leave us who care about the shield final to do so here please.

 

[irish]

will be a fine day in hobart today so play all day. nice to see faulkner get a ton and butterworth a 50 not out
poor old queenslanders got little or no chance. our turn they had theirs last year !!