To be fair I haven't mentioned other candidates before and all information I have provided so far has been positive and about all of the things you mentioned. All I was trying to do is clarify that there are 5 spots available on the board, not 1. I didn't expressly criticise any other candidates, I'm just trying to encourage candidates to use their votes wisely. If what I said came across as off putting I apologise.
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Agree. I'm also yet to see Peter McGregor out at a Fitzroy game at Brunswick Street. Perhaps he may have been to a game, but if he has, I've somehow missed him. Ross spoke at a Fitzroy President's luncheon a couple of years ago, before he appeared in the Amazing Race. He's well known to the Fitzroy faithful and hopefully would be able to better connect with them. I can't see a better candidate in the field. James Kliemt would certainly be a voice for the supporters.
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I've got no problem with having two Melbourne based board members but McGregor is not someone I'll be voting for until he can articulate what he's done for the club.
I've heard is he very well connected in Melbourne business circles and also at the AFL. That's great - how has that translated as a positive for the club? More specifically, what has he done to re-engage Victorian members given he is trading on the Fitzroy connection and Melbourne location?
I also have an issue in that McGregor's tacit support of Angus Johnson was a major stumbling block in the achievement of real change at board level last year. Had he been more responsive to the members' clear wishes, he'd have fallen in behind the Matthews led ticket.
Thornton and Kliemt for me. Thornton because he was prepared to put into the club at our darkest hour and because, on name alone, he has the best chance to re-engage Fitzroy members. Kliemt because, of all the candidates, he's the one with the proven track record in engaging with supporters and driving change.
I've heard is he very well connected in Melbourne business circles and also at the AFL. That's great - how has that translated as a positive for the club? More specifically, what has he done to re-engage Victorian members given he is trading on the Fitzroy connection and Melbourne location?
I also have an issue in that McGregor's tacit support of Angus Johnson was a major stumbling block in the achievement of real change at board level last year. Had he been more responsive to the members' clear wishes, he'd have fallen in behind the Matthews led ticket.
Thornton and Kliemt for me. Thornton because he was prepared to put into the club at our darkest hour and because, on name alone, he has the best chance to re-engage Fitzroy members. Kliemt because, of all the candidates, he's the one with the proven track record in engaging with supporters and driving change.
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Hello good people of BigFooty.
I'm happy to answer questions you may have about my candidacy for the Lions Board.
I can see the discussion has turned to the club's engagement with our Victorian members. So I may as well start there:
The first Lion's Roar campaign we ever ran (back in 2012) was about the lack of Lions games in Melbourne. We uncovered and published the Deed of Arrangement signed by the AFL 'guaranteeing' the Lions 6 games a year in Melbourne. Overall I think it is the issue we have campaigned longer and harder on than any other.
It's difficult because the club's hands are essentially tied. I understand they do lobby very strongly in the background. Unfortunately the club is currently receiving a very significant level of financial assistance from the AFL. This means that they are in no position to make any sort of public criticism at all of the organisation who is the only thing keeping them out of insolvency.
This is where I think the fans need to step up. The Lion's Roar have been beating the drum about this since 2012. Every year more and more people have gotten involved and the protests have gotten louder. The AFL have a lot of commercial interests they need to balance, but they are sensitive to this sort of public campaign. We can wear them down on this, we just need to show them enough people are passionate about it.
One thing is for sure, sitting back and waiting for the club to sort it out is not going to get us anywhere. The fans need to get on board and make this happen.
There are issues where the club has a lot more control and where I think it could do a lot better. I am very concerned and confused about the club's ongoing lack of engagement with our Victorian members and the Fitzroy Football Club.
I have no idea why this is so and it seriously makes me angry that things are this way. From the outside it looks like the Brisbane Lions almost try to keep Fitzroy at arm's length, I want to know why. Purely from a financial perspective this appears to be an almost criminal neglect of a supporter base that should be one of our key assets.
But it goes beyond that, clubs like the Gold Coast and GWS would kill for a rich cultural tradition and history that we have through Fitzroy. We need to be doing everything we can to nurture a strong alliance with the Fitzroy FC and our Melbourne heartland.
I'm not saying we should forget everything Bears, not at all, we have a shared history. But people who want to feel that deep, generations-old bond with the Fitzroy should be given every opportunity to do so.
The Brisbane Lions and the Fitzroy Football Club should be the strongest of allies.
If my candidacy is successful this will be one of my top priorities.
I'm happy to answer questions you may have about my candidacy for the Lions Board.
I can see the discussion has turned to the club's engagement with our Victorian members. So I may as well start there:
The first Lion's Roar campaign we ever ran (back in 2012) was about the lack of Lions games in Melbourne. We uncovered and published the Deed of Arrangement signed by the AFL 'guaranteeing' the Lions 6 games a year in Melbourne. Overall I think it is the issue we have campaigned longer and harder on than any other.
It's difficult because the club's hands are essentially tied. I understand they do lobby very strongly in the background. Unfortunately the club is currently receiving a very significant level of financial assistance from the AFL. This means that they are in no position to make any sort of public criticism at all of the organisation who is the only thing keeping them out of insolvency.
This is where I think the fans need to step up. The Lion's Roar have been beating the drum about this since 2012. Every year more and more people have gotten involved and the protests have gotten louder. The AFL have a lot of commercial interests they need to balance, but they are sensitive to this sort of public campaign. We can wear them down on this, we just need to show them enough people are passionate about it.
One thing is for sure, sitting back and waiting for the club to sort it out is not going to get us anywhere. The fans need to get on board and make this happen.
There are issues where the club has a lot more control and where I think it could do a lot better. I am very concerned and confused about the club's ongoing lack of engagement with our Victorian members and the Fitzroy Football Club.
I have no idea why this is so and it seriously makes me angry that things are this way. From the outside it looks like the Brisbane Lions almost try to keep Fitzroy at arm's length, I want to know why. Purely from a financial perspective this appears to be an almost criminal neglect of a supporter base that should be one of our key assets.
But it goes beyond that, clubs like the Gold Coast and GWS would kill for a rich cultural tradition and history that we have through Fitzroy. We need to be doing everything we can to nurture a strong alliance with the Fitzroy FC and our Melbourne heartland.
I'm not saying we should forget everything Bears, not at all, we have a shared history. But people who want to feel that deep, generations-old bond with the Fitzroy should be given every opportunity to do so.
The Brisbane Lions and the Fitzroy Football Club should be the strongest of allies.
If my candidacy is successful this will be one of my top priorities.
Good luck James, I wish you well and hope you are successful.
Imo it is a supporters voice we now need above all else on the board. James has proven his worth to this date, and again imo, would continue to do so.
Vote 1 Kliemt
p.s. James if you are looking for a campaign manager, I'm your man....oh, I mean woman
(written and spoken by MacMum, a Brissy Lions member who can't vote!)
Imo it is a supporters voice we now need above all else on the board. James has proven his worth to this date, and again imo, would continue to do so.
Vote 1 Kliemt
p.s. James if you are looking for a campaign manager, I'm your man....oh, I mean woman
(written and spoken by MacMum, a Brissy Lions member who can't vote!)
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What do you mean by 'uncovered'? The Deed has been the public arena for a long time. It's been published in full on the Big Footy boards since 2011 and on other websites before that.
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This was a physical copy signed by some very important individuals.
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This has also been in the public arena for some time. Since at least the 2010 Supreme Court legal stoush.
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James, thank you for engaging in what for most of us members is a comfortable forum.
There was an earlierdiscussion about your experience and how that impacts your suitability for the board (thus my mastabatory quoting of myself). Can you expand on your 200 word statement on how you feel your experience with the QPS, TLR and other roles means the right man for our board?
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Wonder if someone can help, how do I fill in the ballot paper, just tick or number. Also how should I fill in the proxy form?
Hello James Kliemt - it's nice to see a fellow James using his full name with pride.
Are you a member of The Lion's Roar?
Are you a member of The Lion's Roar?
For me, this really comes down to desire. Much like a good football player (regardless of draft order or talent), or a good musician ... the person who will do the best job will be the one with the greatest drive to do great things for the club.
I can't think of anything that any of these guys have done for the Club (I'm talking about the Brisbane Lions here) other than James, the TLR guy. This isn't related to the fact that his name is James, either ... I'm really critical of other Jameses.
I can't think of anything that any of these guys have done for the Club (I'm talking about the Brisbane Lions here) other than James, the TLR guy. This isn't related to the fact that his name is James, either ... I'm really critical of other Jameses.
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Peter Schwab is voting for Jason Kliemt.
I wouldn't know.
James Kliemt
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My apologies I meant Deed of Support not Deed of Agreement. A different document.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/lions-push-for-games-in-melbourne-20130314-2g3jh.html
As you say the Deed of Agreement had been around prior to this.
There is no facility to edit my original post so I am unable to change it.
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Good luck James.thanks for coming on here.
I really hope you are successful.
I really hope you are successful.
Some very well made points from James above.
I still haven't voted yet so it is interesting to read people's views on Peter McGregor. Peter looks to be someone with excellent financial experience. It is hard to know what exactly what happened with the Board challenge last year other than the AFL holding a gun to our heads. It is also hard to know from the outside how Peter has benefited the Club / represented members interests. Although that isn't that unusual unfortunately (I am sure hardly any rank and file Lions members could name any of our directors beyond Leigh Matthews and our Chairman).
As for the candidate statements, here is what Leigh Matthews has said (again typing it out myself hopefully accurately):
I have to say Leigh's viewpoint, as usual, is extremely compelling. It would be hard to argue against the judgement of the all-time greatest / most successful contributor (player, coach, commentator, director) to AFL level football.
I still haven't voted yet so it is interesting to read people's views on Peter McGregor. Peter looks to be someone with excellent financial experience. It is hard to know what exactly what happened with the Board challenge last year other than the AFL holding a gun to our heads. It is also hard to know from the outside how Peter has benefited the Club / represented members interests. Although that isn't that unusual unfortunately (I am sure hardly any rank and file Lions members could name any of our directors beyond Leigh Matthews and our Chairman).
As for the candidate statements, here is what Leigh Matthews has said (again typing it out myself hopefully accurately):
I have to say Leigh's viewpoint, as usual, is extremely compelling. It would be hard to argue against the judgement of the all-time greatest / most successful contributor (player, coach, commentator, director) to AFL level football.
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Yes, it is different document, but the support deed itself, has been in the public domain since at least 2010. It was used by Fitzroy as a piece of evidence when they took the Brisbane Lions to the Supreme Court. I've known of its existence since the mid 2000s, when the AFL first broke the minimum six games in Melbourne clause, threatening legal action from Fitzroy.
Word for word the document is the same as Section 7 of the Deed of Arrangement. Just with some different signatures.
Having said that, I'll certainly consider your comments about reconnecting with the Fitzroy supporters and the Fitzroy Football Club when casting my vote. They're sentiments I concur with.
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Checked with the club I don't need to do a proxy as I am changing the order to the chairman. Interesting to see how many informal votes are received.
This makes no sense. Why does it need to be one or the other? Surely the best outcome, if engagement with Victorian members is a key issue, is for 2 of the 7 Directors to be based in Melbourne, rather than 1. This would be a much better reflection of the membership. I say follow Leigh's advice (re-elect the current 4) and add Thornton to give more emphahsis to Vic.
Apologies for only now replying to a post from a month ago, have just joined today and am working my way through the previous posts. I find it fascinating that Chris Raleigh seems to have run for the Board of an NRL club recently, given that the NRL is the biggest competitor to the AFL/Lions in Brisbane. Can Rizzler perhaps confirm if it was, in fact, him who ran for the Sharks Board? If so, can he also comment on his quote in the article that "I love the Sharks and they are my team"?
