2015 Ladder predictions

[Dez!]

melbourne to win the premiership.

Don't jinx it.

 

[syl97]

melbourne to win the premiership.

Bookmark it!

 

[QPower]

Hawthorn had them on toast in the prelim until they took the foot off the pedal and nearly ballsed it up.

Port kicked 3.9 in the first qtr. Game should have been over then. Ended up with 29 scoring shots to 22. Poor kicking is poor footy, but to say the Hawks had us on toast is obviously well off the mark.

 

[syl97]

Port kicked 3.9 in the first qtr. Game should have been over then. Ended up with 29 scoring shots to 22. Poor kicking is poor footy, but to say the Hawks had us on toast is obviously well off the mark.

That was just at the beginning. Hawthorn dominated from then to the last eight minutes. So Port got the better of Hawthorn in a period of about a quarter and eight minutes. On toast is probably an exaggeration, but Hawthorn still had control of Port for the majority of the game.

But that is really neither here nor there. Port look like a very strong side when given time and space. Other teams would have seen that and should in theory be more alive to it next season. Of course, it is one thing to be alive to it, but another to actually stop it. Looking forward to see how Port go next season when they will be definitely be one of the hunted teams (along with Hawthorn and Sydney).

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

That was just at the beginning. Hawthorn dominated from then to the last eight minutes. So Port got the better of Hawthorn in a period of about a quarter and eight minutes. On toast is probably an exaggeration, but Hawthorn still had control of Port for the majority of the game.

But that is really neither here nor there. Port look like a very strong side when given time and space. Other teams would have seen that and should in theory be more alive to it next season. Of course, it is one thing to be alive to it, but another to actually stop it. Looking forward to see how Port go next season when they will be definitely be one of the hunted teams (along with Hawthorn and Sydney).

People who say Port should've won, must've gone to sleep at the end of the first quarter and only woken up with 6 minutes to go.

Hawthorn controlled that game for the majority of the match, and only when they took their foot off the pedal did Port challenge for the lead.

 

[pOleK]

I guess both teams are in the wrong
PORT - had 7 more scoring shots which really blew the game in the first quarter when they finished on 3.9
HAWKS - Did control most of the game but they went in knowing that port are fast finishers. In the end what point did Hawthorne take their foot on the pedal. IN the final minutes.

So if PORT did manage to get one final shot at goal the outcome would've been different. But I guess a harder route to the finals gave the Hawks the heads up on what they were gonna get from opposing teams. Unlike Sydney who thrashed North the week before.

 

[Janus]

Of course

What? I expected us to fall away. 1st real preseason for Polec, 2nd for Wines, 3rd for Wingard, Lobbe having to ruck the entire season without a rest, no Trengove and Carlile for a few games = a few losses in the hard slog of winter.

I also expected us to smash Richmond. Too bad it wasn't by the 73 points I bet on.

 

[smasha]

Port would have been in the granny if not for Stevic's cameo.

 

[JHF1870]

Hawks
Sydney
Port
Kangaroos

Fremantle
Gold Coast
Richmond
Adelaide

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Geelong
West Coast
Brisbane
Essendon
Bulldogs
GWS
Melbourne
Collingwood
Carlton
St Kilda

 

[Old Dark Blues]

1. Sydney Too much Class not to win
2. Port Adelaide On the rise but will fall just short on the big stage.
3. Hawthorn Don't like the chances of 3 in a row
4. North Melbourne Consistency in 2015 should see them rise to Top 4
5. Richmond On the rise end of 2014 - No glaring holes in this list - Will look the goods
6. West Coast On the rise end of 2014 - Dream draw - Top 8 scalps now the mission
7. Gold Coast Should last more then half a season with Ablett back and Young Guns another Year older
8. Fremantle Old team on the decline, Lucky to make the 8. Great coach will keep the Pensioners in the hunt

9. Geelong On the decline - The Partial rebuild continues
10. Adelaide New coach - same team, They will be thereabouts without starring
11. Essendon Loss of Ryder will hurt them - To many older player not enough upside IMO - no improvement, other teams will overtake
12. Brisbane Big improvers however lacking Quality Key position players will hurt
13. GWS Will start great and fade - Griffin will help
14. Western Bulldogs Kids will start to Perform - Will start to put it together towards the end of the season
15. Melbourne Wont be ugly just wont look pretty - Will start to put the peices together
16. Collingwood Do not rate this team, Swan to decline then retire, Pendlebury to star - Injuries aside finished 2014 badly
17. Carlton Rebuild begins
18. St Kilda Rebuild and blooding continues

Premiers - Sydney
Coleman - Kennedy
Brownlow - Ablett
Rising Star - Dom Sheed (played 10 or less games in 2014)

23 new players - do you follow Aussie Rules or some other sport ?

 

[Old Dark Blues]

Outside of the pain of the years of punishment Carlton endured after the salary cap years - 2002 - 2007 - our ladder position last season was our worst ever. In fact we did not win so few games since 1925 - when we played 5 less games in a season.

So - basically - without the salary cap punishments - on merit alone - it was our worst ever season.

Ironically Malthouse has just drafted a player whose father played for the Footscray when he was coach there - and racked up the one of the worst coaching records ever.

In fact outside of Malthouses record at West Coast Eagles he has the amongst the worst win loss record of any modern coach.....

Lets face it he did a fantastic job, absolutely amazing job of turning Collingwood around no doubt about it. He has 23 new players in the team and has had a complete rebuild.

Telling season ahead for Mick Malthouse.

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

Outside of the pain of the years of punishment Carlton endured after the salary cap years - 2002 - 2007 - our ladder position last season was our worst ever. In fact we did not win so few games since 1925 - when we played 5 less games in a season.

So - basically - without the salary cap punishments - on merit alone - it was our worst ever season.

Ironically Malthouse has just drafted a player whose father played for the Footscray when he was coach there - and racked up the one of the worst coaching records ever.

In fact outside of Malthouses record at West Coast Eagles he has the amongst the worst win loss record of any modern coach.....

Lets face it he did a fantastic job, absolutely amazing job of turning Collingwood around no doubt about it. He has 23 new players in the team and has had a complete rebuild.

Telling season ahead for Mick Malthouse.

The salary cap punishments weren't until after the 2002 season, so that was the worst ever season on merit.

 

[hawkman]

People who say Port should've won, must've gone to sleep at the end of the first quarter and only woken up with 6 minutes to go.

Hawthorn controlled that game for the majority of the match, and only when they took their foot off the pedal did Port challenge for the lead.

And we lost our best midfielder in Lewis for the whole of the last quarter

 

[syl97]

Outside of the pain of the years of punishment Carlton endured after the salary cap years - 2002 - 2007 - our ladder position last season was our worst ever. In fact we did not win so few games since 1925 - when we played 5 less games in a season.

So - basically - without the salary cap punishments - on merit alone - it was our worst ever season.

Ironically Malthouse has just drafted a player whose father played for the Footscray when he was coach there - and racked up the one of the worst coaching records ever.

In fact outside of Malthouses record at West Coast Eagles he has the amongst the worst win loss record of any modern coach.....

Lets face it he did a fantastic job, absolutely amazing job of turning Collingwood around no doubt about it. He has 23 new players in the team and has had a complete rebuild.

Telling season ahead for Mick Malthouse.

I think that Carlton are in for some serious pain this season. Wouldn't be surprised to see them finish bottom. All of the teams near the bottom of the ladder look on the improve other than Carlton. Saints, Doggies, Brisbane, Gold Coast, Demons and GWS all have some really promising young talent and new recruits.

Hope I am wrong for your sake! Who knows Judd may return to his peak form and fitness and carry Carlton to the finals.

 

[Old Dark Blues]

I think that Carlton are in for some serious pain this season. Wouldn't be surprised to see them finish bottom. All of the teams near the bottom of the ladder look on the improve other than Carlton. Saints, Doggies, Brisbane, Gold Coast, Demons and GWS all have some really promising young talent and new recruits.

Hope I am wrong for your sake! Who knows Judd may return to his peak form and fitness and carry Carlton to the finals.

Yeah - if your going to talk crap why bother.

We had 7 of our most important players out - Hawks wouldn't make the 8 with those injuries either.

We lost to Cats twice by less than a kick, Freo, GWS, Brisbane - all one goal games. We beat some seriously in form teams - spanked them.

We have some of the best new recruits going around. Crap post.

 

[syl97]

Yeah - if your going to talk crap why bother.

We had 7 of our most important players out - Hawks wouldn't make the 8 with those injuries either.

We lost to Cats twice by less than a kick, Freo, GWS, Brisbane - all one goal games. We beat some seriously in form teams - spanked them.

We have some of the best new recruits going around. Crap post.

Maybe, time will tell. I just don't see who these "best new recruits" are.

And not really a great example comparing to Hawthorn who had worse injuries and yet won the flag! As you would say, "crap post".

 

[Old Dark Blues]

I wouldn't go that far.
Carlton still have a lot of seasoned players on their list that carry the team on a weekly basis
Judd, Jamison, Simpson, Walker are all 29 by next season while Carrazzo, Armfield, Murphy, Rowe, Thomas, Warnock & Wood are all going on 28 yrs of age.

It's that next core of youth like Buckley, Casboult, Henderson, Jaksch, Jones, Menzel and Watson that will need to begin making inroads if Carlton are too climb back up the ladder.
Again, it's a similar issue at my club, we will need Blicavs, Caddy, Horlin-Smith, Kersten, Smedts, Thurlow and Vardy to start lifting their work-rate to a similar level Duncan, Motlop & Guthrie have in recent seasons.

Mate - Walker is 27 - in his absolute prime, Murphy is 26......soooo ridiculous comments.

Carrazzo, Armfield, Wood, are all fringe players ?! Who cares.

Casboult, Henderson, Jaksch, Jones, Menzel and Watson - Henderson is already spanking it. Menzel has also cemented himself. Casboult needs to take the next step but is one of the best forward pack markers (top 5) in the comp.

Gibbs and Yarran go alright too.

People seriously underestimate the issues injuries bring to clubs. Carlton have not managed their at all well.

 

[syl97]

Mate - Walker is 27 - in his absolute prime, Murphy is 26......soooo ridiculous comments.

Carrazzo, Armfield, Wood, are all fringe players ?! Who cares.

Casboult, Henderson, Jaksch, Jones, Menzel and Watson - Henderson is already spanking it. Menzel has also cemented himself. Casboult needs to take the next step but is one of the best forward pack markers (top 5) in the comp.

Gibbs and Yarran go alright too.

People seriously underestimate the issues injuries bring to clubs. Carlton have not managed their at all well.

Carlton have a sweet team song. So you got that going for you.

 

[Old Dark Blues]

Maybe, time will tell. I just don't see who these "best new recruits" are.

And not really a great example comparing to Hawthorn who had worse injuries and yet won the flag! As you would say, "crap post".

No you had SOME injuries - not to the extent.

Have you bothered to take a look at the the turnover of the list ? Have you bothered to look at the new players ?

I'm not saying the blues are going to win a flag - I am saying we finished a LONG way down, we have some fantastic talent who were NOT on the park to come back in, an have a FAR better list than in 2013 when we played finals.

We have lost Bets, Waite and Garlett - and in my view, many others, have added more than we lost. A great deal more. For my money were are a far, far better team than 2013.

I don't think that's far fetched or out there.

But yeah - time will tell - think we'll beat your guys this year.

 

[Old Dark Blues]

Carlton have a sweet team song. So you got that going for you.

Second best in the comp. God damned Tiges with their kiddy winning song, its like lollies.

 

[donnie5]

Seems like a lot of people are writing off the Pies very early. Considering we had a huge injury list last season and only missed the 8 in the last round, you'd think a few more people would have us around the mark. Maybe I just have my collingwood goggles on?

 

[syl97]

No you had SOME injuries - not to the extent.

I think the injuries Hawthorn faced is well storied. Only four Hawks managed to get through the whole season. Mitchell, Gibson, Rioli, Lake, Sewell, Stratton, Hodge, Shiels, Gunston, Spangher, Anderson, and Whitecross all missed sizeable chunks of the season. At least ten of those players are best 22. So I don't think Carlton's injury issues were that bad.

Have you bothered to take a look at the the turnover of the list ? Have you bothered to look at the new players ?

I'm not saying the blues are going to win a flag - I am saying we finished a LONG way down, we have some fantastic talent who were NOT on the park to come back in, an have a FAR better list than in 2013 when we played finals.

We have lost Bets, Waite and Garlett - and in my view, many others, have added more than we lost. A great deal more. For my money were are a far, far better team than 2013.

I don't think that's far fetched or out there.

But yeah - time will tell - think we'll beat your guys this year.

I just can't see the talent coming in. Waite had his best season in years and he is gone. Garlett is a genuine speedster and he is gone. Robinson is an idiot but also bloody tough as nails jump in front of a train player who will be missed. The guys that have come in from GWS were not having an impact in a side that finished almost bottom. Can't see them magically jumping up to elite status. Banking on Krueser and Thomas being fit is as good as throwing your money away. Judd is a star but looks to be closer to the end than to his peak. A lot of ifs there.

I am probably overstating it by saying that Carlton will finish bottom. Just concerned that they are not heading north. I could definitely see them finish bottom four in 2015.

 

[syl97]

Seems like a lot of people are writing off the Pies very early. Considering we had a huge injury list last season and only missed the 8 in the last round, you'd think a few more people would have us around the mark. Maybe I just have my collingwood goggles on?

How much do you think the impact of losing Beams will have on the Pies? Surely a big loss?

They are really an unknown quantity with a number of very high draft picks coming in who could shoot them up the ladder. Or not step up. Buckley remains unproven as a coach.

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

Yeah - if your going to talk crap why bother.

We had 7 of our most important players out - Hawks wouldn't make the 8 with those injuries either.

We lost to Cats twice by less than a kick, Freo, GWS, Brisbane - all one goal games. We beat some seriously in form teams - spanked them.

We have some of the best new recruits going around. Crap post.

Old Dark Blues...stick to the Blues board. People have been deluded for years over there about Carlton's list quality. I remember some of the hard core people would list ruckman as KPP when trying to cover over the cracks of a lack of KPF/KPD.

Carlton have been in a mess and are still in a mess because they have no easy avenue to goal. For ten years now Carlton have pumped the ball inside 50 6/7 times in a row...even more than that only to see it fly over their head for a simple goal down their other end after 15 minutes of sustained attack. Without either 1/2 elite KPPs at either end or elite field kicking, Carlton are screwed no matter how hard Murph/Gibbs/Simpson/Thomas/Judd others in the midfield try.

Finding players like docherty is all well and good...and more players like him...even if Thomas stands up...but those flankers no matter how good only get you so far. You need one KPP star in either your fwd/backline to have a chance...right now, all of our KPP are mediocroe or worse. That is where Carlton are at. Seeing Jaksch go down is demoralising...not because he is an instant answer but because he is our chance of having someone elite maybe in two years time.

You will attack me as a Carlton traitor and others of blue background will do the same...but Carlton are a mess list wise still. Jamison is average...Kruezer is honestly like Quayle said...caught in between roles of a ruck (not tall enough) and not agile enough for KPF. Because he is a blues players...the blues board spend hours rationalizing why he is awesome and Emma quayle an idiot. Levi cant kick. Hendo is just ok, good sometimes...but honestly..with a niggle...he is poor. Because we have no one else...we talk him up like he is top quality. Right now, if your honest to yourself Waite is a big loss...hope wise...maybe not reality wise but in hope he would stand a full season.

Sad state of affairs...age profile sicks, luck at the draft has sucked (no blaming recruitment), just even luck sucked. KPP talls are poor and time will run out for Gibbs/Murph so we need to find two more elite mids.

That is reality for Blues fans. But the deluded will come en masse!

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Yeah - if your going to talk crap why bother.

We had 7 of our most important players out - Hawks wouldn't make the 8 with those injuries either.

We lost to Cats twice by less than a kick, Freo, GWS, Brisbane - all one goal games. We beat some seriously in form teams - spanked them.

We have some of the best new recruits going around. Crap post.

Hawthorn won the flag with those injuries.