List Mgmt. 2016 AFL Draft

[ChampRevesby]

NAB AFL Draft: 25th November 2016

Welcome Sam Mitchell (Hawks) and Nathan Vardy (Geelong)

West Coast Eagles:
In: Mitchell, Vardy, Picks 12, 34, 54, 106, 124
Out: Ellis, Cavka, McGinnity, Bennell, Brown(?), Picks 52, 70 and 88

Big question: Who do we pick up with 12, 34, and 54?

 

[turtleWC]

I'm so happy we didn't cough up 12 or future round picks.

 

[CM9000]

I might as well do a small phantom draft for this thread in regards to our selections.

CM9000's West Coast Phantom Draft:

1. Sam Powell-Pepper:
Size: 186 cm
Weight: 83 kg
DOB: 8/1/1998
Club: East Perth

The perfect word to describe Sam would be "aggression": he crashes through packs, tackles ferociously and destroys everything that gets in his way. Overall, his game style reminds me of a less subtle Kerr, and from watching some of his highlights, one could assume his head is another fist he uses to extract the ball.

Kicking efficiency isn't one of Sam's best traits, but that doesn't mean it can't improve. Some of the best players in the comp, such as Fyfe and Dangerfield, are renowned for their decision making in extreme congestion, yet they usually don't register a kicking efficiency higher then 65%. As such, I don't think this would detract from his ability to impact games. However, should the club deem Sam's kicking as subpar, a slight cleanup of his routine should fully fix it.

At the national combine, he topped the goalkicking test and was WAs highest scorer for the clean hands test, both traits that would fully compliment our midfield. His decision making in congestion is pretty good, and should improve over the coming years.

2. Liam Ryan:
Size: 184 cm
Weight: 76 kg
DOB: 2/10/1996
Club: Subiaco

With an impressive leap, supreme goal sense and elite evasiveness, Ryan might be the answer to our small forward problem. Exploding onto the scene after staring for Subiaco in the finals, Ryan caught the eyes of many clubs at the national combine, and the small forward showed that his natural athleticism and goal sense would translate well at AFL level.

While he might have some troubled adjusting to life as an AFL footballer, I personally feel that playing in his home state, with the support of his family, should bring out his full potential on the field.

3. Jake Waterman:
Height: 191 cm
Weight: 82 kg
DOB: 12/3/1998
Club: Claremont

The son of Muddy Waterman, Jake impressed in his League debut for Claremont by kicking a haul of five against Peel. A potent reader of the play, his ability as a half-forward to impact the contest and make the most of his supply is very good. Jake's onfield leadership has grown over the past year, showcased by his captainancy of WA at the Under-18 Championships.

His accuracy in front of goals can be wayward at times, but like all young forwards, this should be ironed out with constant practice. Overall, Jake inherits a number of traits that could make him a very damaging third tall at AFL level, and he will develop nicely alongside JK and Darling over the coming seasons.

Some have rated Jake badly due to his onfield behaviour and body language, which is usually a telling sign of disinterest during matches. While this could be alarming for some recruiters, I personally feel that his earlier games in the year contradict this perception of him, where he actually showed quite the opposite.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

I hope we can get Waterman with our forth selection rather than our third.

 

[avishka5]

didn't realise ryan was that tall (one site had him as 186cm).

 

[matt_bas]

I might as well do a small phantom draft for this thread in regards to our selections.

CM9000's West Coast Phantom Draft:

1. Sam Powell-Pepper:
Size: 186 cm
Weight: 83 kg
DOB: 8/1/1998
Club: East Perth

The perfect word to describe Sam would be "aggression": he crashes through packs, tackles ferociously and destroys everything that gets in his way. Overall, his game style reminds me of a less subtle Kerr, and from watching some of his highlights, one could assume his head is another fist he uses to extract the ball.

Kicking efficiency isn't one of Sam's best traits, but that doesn't mean it can't improve. Some of the best players in the comp, such as Fyfe and Dangerfield, are renowned for their decision making in extreme congestion, yet they usually don't register a kicking efficiency higher then 65%. As such, I don't think this would detract from his ability to impact games. However, should the club deem Sam's kicking as subpar, a slight cleanup of his routine should fully fix it.

At the national combine, he topped the goalkicking test and was WAs highest scorer for the clean hands test, both traits that would fully compliment our midfield. His decision making in congestion is pretty good, and should improve over the coming years.

2. Liam Ryan:
Size: 184 cm
Weight: 76 kg
DOB: 2/10/1996
Club: Subiaco

With an impressive leap, supreme goal sense and elite evasiveness, Ryan might be the answer to our small forward problem. Exploding onto the scene after staring for Subiaco in the finals, Ryan caught the eyes of many clubs at the national combine, and the small forward showed that his natural athleticism and goal sense would translate well at AFL level.

While he might have some troubled adjusting to life as an AFL footballer, I personally feel that playing in his home state, with the support of his family, should bring out his full potential on the field.

3. Jake Waterman:
Height: 191 cm
Weight: 82 kg
DOB: 12/3/1998
Club: Claremont

The son of Muddy Waterman, Jake impressed in his League debut for Claremont by kicking a haul of five against Peel. A potent reader of the play, his ability as a half-forward to impact the contest and make the most of his supply is very good. Jake's onfield leadership has grown over the past year, showcased by his captainancy of WA at the Under-18 Championships.

His accuracy in front of goals can be wayward at times, but like all young forwards, this should be ironed out with constant practice. Overall, Jake inherits a number of traits that could make him a very damaging third tall at AFL level, and he will develop nicely alongside JK and Darling over the coming seasons.

Some have rated Jake badly due to his onfield behaviour and body language, which is usually a telling sign of disinterest during matches. While this could be alarming for some recruiters, I personally feel that his earlier games in the year contradict this perception of him, where he actually showed quite the opposite.

Pretty much think this will happen. I do personally prefer Bolton over Ryan

 

[I Am Bort]

I might as well do a small phantom draft for this thread in regards to our selections.

CM9000's West Coast Phantom Draft:

1. Sam Powell-Pepper:
Size: 186 cm
Weight: 83 kg
DOB: 8/1/1998
Club: East Perth

The perfect word to describe Sam would be "aggression": he crashes through packs, tackles ferociously and destroys everything that gets in his way. Overall, his game style reminds me of a less subtle Kerr, and from watching some of his highlights, one could assume his head is another fist he uses to extract the ball.

Kicking efficiency isn't one of Sam's best traits, but that doesn't mean it can't improve. Some of the best players in the comp, such as Fyfe and Dangerfield, are renowned for their decision making in extreme congestion, yet they usually don't register a kicking efficiency higher then 65%. As such, I don't think this would detract from his ability to impact games. However, should the club deem Sam's kicking as subpar, a slight cleanup of his routine should fully fix it.

At the national combine, he topped the goalkicking test and was WAs highest scorer for the clean hands test, both traits that would fully compliment our midfield. His decision making in congestion is pretty good, and should improve over the coming years.

2. Liam Ryan:
Size: 184 cm
Weight: 76 kg
DOB: 2/10/1996
Club: Subiaco

With an impressive leap, supreme goal sense and elite evasiveness, Ryan might be the answer to our small forward problem. Exploding onto the scene after staring for Subiaco in the finals, Ryan caught the eyes of many clubs at the national combine, and the small forward showed that his natural athleticism and goal sense would translate well at AFL level.

While he might have some troubled adjusting to life as an AFL footballer, I personally feel that playing in his home state, with the support of his family, should bring out his full potential on the field.

3. Jake Waterman:
Height: 191 cm
Weight: 82 kg
DOB: 12/3/1998
Club: Claremont

The son of Muddy Waterman, Jake impressed in his League debut for Claremont by kicking a haul of five against Peel. A potent reader of the play, his ability as a half-forward to impact the contest and make the most of his supply is very good. Jake's onfield leadership has grown over the past year, showcased by his captainancy of WA at the Under-18 Championships.

His accuracy in front of goals can be wayward at times, but like all young forwards, this should be ironed out with constant practice. Overall, Jake inherits a number of traits that could make him a very damaging third tall at AFL level, and he will develop nicely alongside JK and Darling over the coming seasons.

Some have rated Jake badly due to his onfield behaviour and body language, which is usually a telling sign of disinterest during matches. While this could be alarming for some recruiters, I personally feel that his earlier games in the year contradict this perception of him, where he actually showed quite the opposite.

That would certainly be my ideal draft, and all attainable - which is lucky. We are crying out for a powerful big bodied mid who can break lines and a zippy small forward - Jake is the icing on the cake.

Vozzo didn't mention SPP as one of the top WA talents when he was interviewed, so I'm not especially hopeful we will take him. I think he mentioned SPS, Rotham and English (I hope we don't pick English with 12). I'm hoping that was just to throw people off the scent, but even so I've been confused by the lack of love SPP gets - from everything I've seen he has the attributes we need, often one of the best on ground, starred in the GF this year and was amongst the better players in the all star game, yet still barely seems to rate a mention in a lot of phantom drafts. I haven't seen anything to suggest his disposal is pure garbage except that everyone keeps repeating it.

 

[ChampRevesby]

I haven't seen anything to suggest his disposal is pure garbage except that everyone keeps repeating it.

Didn't someone around here over hear a scout say that he will slide because of his disposal? I could be totally off the mark.

 

[avishka5]

oliver florent would be nice get as well if the club can see guys like duggan, parto and nelson can be a future inside mids.

 

[avishka5]

Didn't someone around here over hear a scout say that he will slide because of his disposal? I could be totally off the mark.

i've heard the same but if he becomes an inside mid, it wont matter as most inside mids have rubbish kicks any way. But i saw someone who watches and knows him post that he might not make it as a pure inside mid at AFL level but rather a HFF. Thats the only reason that puts me off a bit.

 

[AndysAngels]

Not sure why exactly but I love the fact that our second round pick is one in front of Freo's

 

[WCErevival]

Didnt Freo lose pick 35?

 

[squashface]

Didnt Freo lose pick 35?

Freo sent it to the Dogs for Hamling who sent it to Gold Coast in a pick exchange who sent it back to Freo in another pick exchange

 

[Keys]

If things went perfectly for us

Pick 12 : dockers go pommy and the first hyphen slides to us
Pick 34 : unfounded disposal concerns see the other hyphen pepper shaking at west coast
Pick 54 : the whizz from gero comes to match sampi's MOTY
Pick 106 : clear as mud

Rookies - not drew's son and the leather eating ruck that looks good for a win

 

[Suma Magic]

Assuming:
- Brown goes
- McInnes stays in senior list

then we have 36 senior players.

We have 2 rookies (and Brophy cat b).

That means we need 6 more players. Either 4 senior/2 rookies or 3/3 or 2/4.

I think we will go best available first 2. If Waterman isn't bid on by 54 we will go best available again. Then take him either with our late pick if there is a bid, or maybe in the rookie draft if there isn't. If Waterman is bid on in the 40s or early 50s we may choose to use 54 as our last pick and just go with 39/5.

If we don't get a ruck in the main draft we may take Petrie in the rookie draft? I'm not sure with that one.

Without knowing how good he is, I really like the sound of Liam Ryan.

 

[Euro Star]

You read my mind SM, was just about to ask if anyone had a summary of the list position.

Any chance Liam Ryan lasts until pick 54?

 

[Suma Magic]

You read my mind SM, was just about to ask if anyone had a summary of the list position.

Any chance Liam Ryan lasts until pick 54?

I don't know if he will. But if you read all the mocks on the mock draft board it should give you some idea.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

That means we need 6 more players. Either 4 senior/2 rookies or 3/3 or 2/4.

I think we will go best available first 2. If Waterman isn't bid on by 54 we will go best available again. Then take him either with our late pick if there is a bid, or maybe in the rookie draft if there isn't. If Waterman is bid on in the 40s or early 50s we may choose to use 54 as our last pick and just go with 39/5.

If we don't get a ruck in the main draft we may take Petrie in the rookie draft? I'm not sure with that one.

Without knowing how good he is, I really like the sound of Liam Ryan.

If things went perfectly for us

Pick 12 : dockers go pommy and the first hyphen slides to us
Pick 34 : unfounded disposal concerns see the other hyphen pepper shaking at west coast
Pick 54 : the whizz from gero comes to match sampi's MOTY
Pick 106 : clear as mud

Rookies - not drew's son and the leather eating ruck that looks good for a win

Best available will be a cop out this year. The draft is very even in 10 to 20 range and then again for 25 to 40. I suggest you need to start identifying needs as against letting group think decide drafting strategy.

Pick 12 – go the best midfield option regardless of state they come from but dodge injured players please. There are a load of academy picks in the top 10 so who knows what will be available at 12. Be open. This is likely to be either a slider (Scrimshaw, etc) or one of Berry, Logue (if you think he can be a big bodied mid), Venables or Florent. If I was Freo or GC, I would go English and hence there is a chance that SPS will be there for 12. If so, do not even think about another. Take SPS.

Pick 34 – There will be moves up and down this 20 to 35 mark so expect recruiters to really earn their pay in the second round. Possible that either SPP or Bolton may slide here. There will be very good mids/flankers with midfield capability at this range (think Clark, Rotham or Fisher etc) so hope that we do not get a bid on Waterman here. If for some reason we no not take a genuine inside mid at pick 12, then we must go an inside mid at 34.

Pick 54 – probably expecting to take Waterman here but if we do not have to, then there will be another quality player in the Jackson Nelson value available. I would be prepared to go for Goddard as a developing ruck option. AAnother WA prospect is Zurhaar. We did not see th ebest of hi in the U18 as he was coming back from an injury. He is a good option - has a good level of aggression to him and at 188 cm/80 kg, he will be a solid unit.

F/S prospect after 54 – not sure of all the mechanics but could take with pick 106 and go in deficit in next year meaning our 2017 3rd rounder would drop back a handful of places.

Pick 106 and beyond – there are more speculative here but I would be OK going with the likes of Guelfi, Banfield, etc. Alternatively I would be prepared to go Strnadica as a tall if we have not gone with Goddard (or maybe both). If not taking talls, it would be OK to go for Cameron as a young ruck option.

 

[Keys]

I like mine better, you've put too much thought into yours

Mines the obelix to your asterix

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

I had you more pegged as Fulliautomatix

 

[kerrazy]

Sorry for my ignorance but can someone explain to me how we could get waterman with our last pick? And precisely what would be the chance of it actually happening?

 

[Keys]

Sorry for my ignorance but can someone explain to me how we could get waterman with our last pick? And precisely what would be the chance of it actually happening?

If nobody bids on waterman until after pick 54 all but pick 55 have less points than the 197 point discount we get for waterman as a f/s so all we have to do is use our last pick (106) for him

The chances of no one bidding on him before 54 seem small and there's a small chance of a club pulling the trigger before our pick at 34

Most likely we'll have to use 54

 

[kerrazy]

If nobody bids on waterman until after pick 54 all but pick 55 have less points than the 197 point discount we get for waterman as a f/s so all we have to do is use our last pick (106) for him

The chances of no one bidding on him before 54 seem small and there's a small chance of a club pulling the trigger before our pick at 34

Most likely we'll have to use 54

Cheers for the info. Yeah I don't see it happening but how good would that be!

I'm thinking the vardy deal could be the difference between getting Liam Ryan as we could have used that pick if we didn't trade for him.

 

[bzparkes]

I had you more pegged as Fulliautomatix
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Would Ben Cousins then be Getafix?

 

[kerrazy]

Would Ben Cousins then be Getafix?

I'm thinking Notafix