List Mgmt. 2016 Hypothetical draft, trade and free agency thread

[Gralin]

Anyone think this has any chance of being facilitated at all???

● Ryan Schoenmakers, Tim O'Brien and Kaiden Brand --> Port Adelaide in exchange for Ollie Wines + Port Adelaide 2016 Fourth Round Seletion

I'm pretty sure we'd get the old "go and f@#k yourself" but it never hurts to dream...

Why would you want to get rid of three young players over 190cm one who can play key back a position we are light on in, one who can play key forward, another position we are light on in and another a young developing forward for Wines and a fourth Round Pick?
How the f### is that the dream to lose three structural players for a mid?

 

[HAWK TAWK]

Can't understimate the development of Pitt, he looked really up to it against Grundy, he just needs to improve that tank.

203cm 104kgs and can jump and has real prick in him

Sounds like a solid option...

I also like the look of Billy Longer who's 201cm and 98kgs who has also fallen down the pecking order at St Kilda...

 

[Mr Lizard]

Some of you guys need to get an understanding of the worth of big blokes.

Chris Dawes still has a gig, ffs. Think about it.

 

[Qlder_19]

Why does Pup always get a mention to be traded ??? Wish we could get some down the ground vision of the work he does and now he has had a couple back from his hammy he will be on song for the moggies this week

 

[Brant]

Big Boy is worth more to us than his market value. I don't think we'd let him retire, let alone trade him.

I wouldn't be surprised if we got Vickery and then someone else also...a Tanner Smith type, for instance

How do you not let a guy retire?

Smith would be a genuine freebie, but being a KP player & delisted by the dickers might suggest he'll struggle.

 

[HAWK TAWK]

Why would you want to get rid of three young players over 190cm one who can play key back a position we are light on in, one who can play key forward, another position we are light on in and another a young developing forward for Wines and a fourth Round Pick?
How the f### is that the dream to lose three structural players for a mid?

True...

 

[HAWK TAWK]

Why would you want to get rid of three young players over 190cm one who can play key back a position we are light on in, one who can play key forward, another position we are light on in and another a young developing forward for Wines and a fourth Round Pick?
How the f### is that the dream to lose three structural players for a mid?

Although we could probably get James Stuart from BWS for that Fourth Round Selection which would then make it look like:

OUT: Ryan Schoenmakers, Tim O'Brien and Kaiden Brand
IN: Ollie Wines and James Stuart

- Ryan Schoenmakers is injury prone as f@#k
- Tim O'Brien is overated
- Kaiden Brand is taking a looong times to develop

- Ollie Wines is a proven gun
- James Stuart is finding it really tough breaking into a strong GWS outfit loaded with KPP talent (he kicked 8.1 in the NEAFL last week)

Does that change anything???

 

[HAWK TAWK]

Why would you want to get rid of three young players over 190cm one who can play key back a position we are light on in, one who can play key forward, another position we are light on in and another a young developing forward for Wines and a fourth Round Pick?
How the f### is that the dream to lose three structural players for a mid?

By the way that's three hack players over 190cms for a GUN mid!!!

 

[Mr Lizard]

How do you not let a guy retire?

Threaten his family? I dunno, do whatever it takes, we need him.

Smith would be a genuine freebie, but being a KP player & delisted by the dickers might suggest he'll struggle.

I only raised his name because he came up in the news thread (and I thought he was ruck not kp ).

Fitz 2.0, Rookie McRookruck, whoever it is, they'll only be playing for Box Hill hopefully.

Maybe we don't need another...tige19 has me bullish on Pittonet now. Box Hill would need someone though.

 

[Davo23]

Because I figured if the name Jordan Lewis was dropped it would be on like Donkey Kong...

Although they coud really use players like Jordan Lewis, Ben McEvoy and Grant Burchall though and we'd probably get something of substantial value in return one would think...

I wish I could understand, mate.

It must have made sense in your head when you typed it, though.

 

[Mr Lizard]

By the way that's three hack players over 190cms for a GUN mid!!!

What is with these under-100-post newbs calling Hawthorn premiership players hacks? That's two days running.

Lift, Hawks, LIFT!!!

 

[HAWK TAWK]

I wish I could understand, mate.

It must have made sense in your head when you typed it, though.

Nah, it totally didn't mate... Hahaha!!!

 

[Brant]

Although we could probably get James Stuart from BWS for that Fourth Round Selection which would then make it look like:

OUT: Ryan Schoenmakers, Tim O'Brien and Kaiden Brand
IN: Ollie Wines and James Stuart

- Ryan Schoenmakers is injury prone as f@#k
- Tim O'Brien is overated
- Kaiden Brand is taking a looong times to develop

- Ollie Wines is a proven gun
- James Stuart is finding it really tough breaking into a strong GWS outfit loaded with KPP talent (he kicked 8.1 in the NEAFL last week)

Does that change anything???

Stewart for a 4th Rounder, huh?

 

[HAWK TAWK]

What is with these under-100-post newbs calling Hawthorn premiership players hacks? That's two days running.

Lift, Hawks, LIFT!!!

Calling them "hacks" may have been a little excessive however I do stand by:

- Schoenmakers being injury prone since the beginning, how much longer do we give him to become a regular in the side???
- TOB is massively overated and Sicily is ligbt years in font of him
- Kaiden Brand while the prospect of his has had us all excited for quite some time, he is taking way too long

All of the above mentioned have had their names thrown around as trade bait anyway so are we in fact better off bundling them up
and sending them off to a club such as Port Adelaide that could use all of these guys and get a dead set gun like Ollie Wines which would eliminate all this JOM drama and then possibly use that draft pick on someone like James Stewart which also gives us that big body in the forward 50 that we're lacking???

Maybe, maybe not... But this is the hypothetical board so was just throwing something out there...

 

[HAWK TAWK]

Stewart for a 4th Rounder, huh?

Yeah someone on the GWS board was saying 3rd-4th round selection to an adelaide supporter a few days back...

 

[HAWK TAWK]

What is with these under-100-post newbs calling Hawthorn premiership players hacks? That's two days running.

Lift, Hawks, LIFT!!!

Definitely agree we need to lift, especially against Geelong next week...

 

[TyHawk]

Brand is 198cm key back with 10 games experience at the age of 21. He stays unless he wants out.
Schoenmakers is a important component to our structures in the forward line, still relatively young and clarko speaks highly of him. Stays.
TOB is tradeable for the right return as Sis, Burton, Schoenmakers and Gunno are in front of him and is surplus for his position.
We cannot make wholesale changes just so we get some mids.
We can and most likely get Tommy mitchell without a firesale. Add Vickery as a forward/Ruck option and I think we'd be happy with our trade period.
We may only look to lose a player if we have any chance of getting Jaeger.

 

[Gralin]

Although we could probably get James Stuart from BWS for that Fourth Round Selection which would then make it look like:

OUT: Ryan Schoenmakers, Tim O'Brien and Kaiden Brand
IN: Ollie Wines and James Stuart

- Ryan Schoenmakers is injury prone as f@#k
- Tim O'Brien is overated
- Kaiden Brand is taking a looong times to develop

- Ollie Wines is a proven gun
- James Stuart is finding it really tough breaking into a strong GWS outfit loaded with KPP talent (he kicked 8.1 in the NEAFL last week)

Does that change anything???

Schoey has had two bad injuries in seven years one a knee the other a groin that doesn't make a player injury prone as f###

TOB is not overrated he's still an unknown quantity that has shown flashes but has also had no continuity in a suitable role for his skills

Brand is 22 and missed a year of footy getting both shoulders fixed. Both he and TOB have been stuck behind some pretty handy players, premiership players, Coleman's medalists, norm Smith medalists that sort of thing, tends to slow development down a little if you can get a senior gig.

Ollie Wines does not make the team better than having Brand Schoey and TOB does.

On Stewart, I like him, id like the Hawks to get him at the right price, if we got him for a 4th rounder it would be highway robbery even though 8 goals in the NEAFL is well it's only the NEAFL it's not like Hale kicking 8 on Scarlett.

By the way that's three hack players over 190cms for a GUN mid!!!

Schoey is a premiership player and not a hack. TOB and Brand are developing players how can you think they are hacks when it's way to early to say

By the way be prepared for some less civilized responses after bagging out or players

 

[Leather Poisoning]

We are still a kpp or two short.

We missed Carlisle last year and now with roughy's issues we're a step further back in kpp land than we hoped.

(Imagine how this year would have been with roughy and Carlisle up forward all year)

Surely there's a decent disgruntled kpp from Gold Coast or brisbane we could pick up with some shenanigans

 

[HAWK TAWK]

Schoey has had two bad injuries in seven years one a knee the other a groin that doesn't make a player injury prone as f###

TOB is not overrated he's still an unknown quantity that has shown flashes but has also had no continuity in a suitable role for his skills

Brand is 22 and missed a year of footy getting both shoulders fixed. Both he and TOB have been stuck behind some pretty handy players, premiership players, Coleman's medalists, norm Smith medalists that sort of thing, tends to slow development down a little if you can get a senior gig.

Ollie Wines does not make the team better than having Brand Schoey and TOB does.

On Stewart, I like him, id like the Hawks to get him at the right price, if we got him for a 4th rounder it would be highway robbery even though 8 goals in the NEAFL is well it's only the NEAFL it's not like Hale kicking 8 on Scarlett.


Schoey is a premiership player and not a hack. TOB and Brand are developing players how can you think they are hacks when it's way to early to say

By the way be prepared for some less civilized responses after bagging out or players

● He actually made his debut in 2009 so that's 8 seasons including this one...

During that time he has played 99 games which works out to be an average of 12 games a season...

It seems that every year his out injured for at least a few weeks... Also if he's already reached his ceiling (which he obviously has) then it's not very high and perhaps its time to move on...

● Tim O'Brien is GREATLY overated, only had 2-3 half decent games in 4 seasons and as good as a kid as he seems it would be counterproductive for us to retain him when we could place him in the open market and get something of worth back for him...

● While it is common knowledge that Brand has had injuries he has only played 11 games in 4 seasons so how much we should be waiting for his "potential" to get him in the side... Even once Gibson retires, is Brand really good enough to replace him???

Also he still remains uncontracted beyond this season which appears suspect...

I feel that we as a club are at a cross roads and sentimentality is no longer a luxury that we can afford, we do need to make some tough choices going forward to not fall too far behind the pack...

* Also in relation to your following comment " Ollie Wines does not make the team better than having Brand Schoey and TOB does" I strongly disagree because they have only played 4, 14 and 11 games respectively where as Ollie Wines has played all 22 and his output would outweigh all three players in question combined...

 

[HAWK TAWK]

We are still a kpp or two short.

We missed Carlisle last year and now with roughy's issues we're a step further back in kpp land than we hoped.

(Imagine how this year would have been with roughy and Carlisle up forward all year)

Surely there's a decent disgruntled kpp from Gold Coast or brisbane we could pick up with some shenanigans

Totally agree in relation to our teams deficiencies and the whole GCS and Brisbane plot!!!

 

[HAWK TAWK]

We are still a kpp or two short.

We missed Carlisle last year and now with roughy's issues we're a step further back in kpp land than we hoped.

(Imagine how this year would have been with roughy and Carlisle up forward all year)

Surely there's a decent disgruntled kpp from Gold Coast or brisbane we could pick up with some shenanigans

Marchbank and Stewart from GWS would be handy...

 

[Mr Lizard]

I feel that we as a club...

so, what was you old account then?

 

[HAWK TAWK]

Schoey has had two bad injuries in seven years one a knee the other a groin that doesn't make a player injury prone as f###

TOB is not overrated he's still an unknown quantity that has shown flashes but has also had no continuity in a suitable role for his skills

Brand is 22 and missed a year of footy getting both shoulders fixed. Both he and TOB have been stuck behind some pretty handy players, premiership players, Coleman's medalists, norm Smith medalists that sort of thing, tends to slow development down a little if you can get a senior gig.

Ollie Wines does not make the team better than having Brand Schoey and TOB does.

On Stewart, I like him, id like the Hawks to get him at the right price, if we got him for a 4th rounder it would be highway robbery even though 8 goals in the NEAFL is well it's only the NEAFL it's not like Hale kicking 8 on Scarlett.


Schoey is a premiership player and not a hack. TOB and Brand are developing players how can you think they are hacks when it's way to early to say

By the way be prepared for some less civilized responses after bagging out or players

No need to be a grouch, everyone is entitled to an opinion... Just because you think differently doesn't mean either of us is right or wrong... I've been all about player development and retention, also with how sentimental we have been with so many of our players in the past but can we really still afford it moving forward???

10-12 of the other clubs would have offloaded them a long time ago... At least we've persisted and gave them a good shot and who knows, back home they should all get regular games and most likely improve as a result...

Agree with your comments on Stewart and definitely Hale!!!

 

[HAWK TAWK]

So

so, what was you old account then?

Sorry???