2016 Ladder Predictions

[snooplions]

In a game we didn't want to win and they only scored 1 goal after half time I'm only guessing but I would say you didn't see the match easiest the worst game of the year last season

Bit of a stretch to say we didn't want to win considering the results against Carlton and the Bulldogs games later on in the season. I do think we'll play a hell of a lot better against them this year than we have for the last two years, but they are on clearly on the improve. The last two games against the dees have brought both teams down to school hard level. Was not great to watch at all! Hope it's at least a better spectacle.

 

[dylan93]

1. Hawthorn
2. West Coast
3. Fremantle
4. Richmond
5. Port Adelaide
6. Sydney
7. Geelong
8. Collingwood
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9. Western Bulldogs
10. Adelaide
11. North Melbourne
12. Melbourne
13. GWS
14. St. Kilda
15. Gold Coast
16. Essendon
17. Brisbane Lions
18. Carlton

Getting closer to Round 1, here are the changes I would probably make:

1. Fremantle
2. West Coast
3. Richmond
4. Hawthorn
5. Geelong
6. Sydney
7. Port Adelaide
8. Western Bulldogs
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9. North Melbourne
10. Collingwood
11. Melbourne
12. Adelaide
13. GWS
14. St. Kilda
15. Gold Coast
16. Brisbane Lions
17. Carlton
18. Essendon

 

[WCE1698]

1. West Coast - Best Kpp's in the league, Redden and Jetta add much needed grunt and speed; while the continuous improvement of youth e.g. Duggan, Nelson and Sheed should see WCE finish first. The return of McKenzie is a massive boost as well.
2. Hawthorn - Old guns showing no signs of slowing down in the pre season, should be able to cover the loss of Roughead and Shiels effectively considering their incredible depth. Will be up there again.
3. Geelong - Elite midfield, gun key position players and a very soft draw. Should be able to push into the top 4 this season.
4. Collingwood- The addition of Treloar makes their midfield elite, Darcy Moore is also looking the goods this year making their foward line quite potent. Defence would be the only concern with this collingwood team.
5. Fremantle - Expect a drop out of the top 4 this year for Fremantle, due to the loss of McPharlin leaving them exposed with below top 4 standard kpp defenders in Dawson, Pearce and an unreliable injury prone Johnson. Its been evident in pre season that Freo still haven't ratified their scoring problems due to the lack of quality talls and the over reliance on Walters. Freo probably have the best midfield in the league though which should see them make finals comfortably still.
6. Sydney - A brilliant midfield should see them make finals, yet a questionable playing style under Longmire and a foward line that lacks continuity may see them struggle to make top 4. Big question marks over their defence to.
7. Port Adelaide- Pretty strong team all over the park, besides in the ruck, Lobbe has been monstered in the pre season and the loss of Monfries and Ryder is a big blow.
8. Richmond - Solid midfield and spine, the addition of Yarran is helpful but not he's probably not going to be the player to help them break into the top 4.
9. GWS - Very good midfield, along with one of the most talented forward lines in the league, defence may be a concern but should still finish around the 7-10 mark on the ladder.
10. Adelaide - Have an excellent forward line and a solid defence, yet the midfield lacks depth and quality with Dangerfield leaving, Sloane will recieve a lot more attention this year. Definitely a team i could be wrong about though, could easily make the 8.
11. Western Bulldogs- Expect a drop similar due to Port's last year due to a very inexperienced list, coach and a tougher draw. The loss of Crameri is also quite big as he spearheaded their forward line last year. Defence will be exposed by the better forwards lines this year as well.
12. North Melbourne- Very old list, list lacks pace and genuine A grade quality. The addition of Jed Anderson seems underwhelming considering his ability and how much they gave up for him.
13. Melbourne - expect a small improvement, they have a seriously talented midfield and forward line, but probably not quite to take the step up yet.
14. Gold Coast- Personally dont rate Eade as a coach an his archaic playing style. Injuries to Swallow and O'meara doesnt lay's a shaky foundation for the year, while they also seem to rely on Lynch to much up forward.
15. St Kilda- Have a very talented list, but still in the early stages of development.
16. Carlton - A couple handy recruits over the trade period and the addition of a youthful enigmatic coach should see them avoid the wooden spoon.
17. Brisbane- It's hard to get a read on whether the culture at Brisbane has improved over the off season, but its easy to tell from the nab challenge that their foot skills are still poor. Beams being out indefinitely is also a massive blow.
18. Essendon- A squad that hardly knows each other and lacks quality.

Please excuse my grammar and punctuation

 

[ComradeSplutnik]

My turn:

1. WCE - super forward line and very competent midfield and defence. Only injuries can stop them.
2. HAW - Old guys still young enough.
3. FRE - Have not seen any improvement over last year during NAB but will get the job done against most teams - Lyon style.
4. SYD - written off every year
5. COL - Have a bit of youthful flair about these days
6. RIC - have some very good top end talent.
7. PAD - could well finish much higher very quick side
8 WBD - as per PAD above

9. NME - Old guys are older with not much youf coming through
10. ADE - lasing Dangerfield will hurt
11. GEE - Once again could finish higher - one more year of development I reckon
12. GWS - have lots of talent
13. STK - Have some talent
14. GCS - will improve on last year - Gablett jnr makes a big difference
15. MEL - Needs more development in youngin's
16. BRI - Hopefully not r*ped by injuries this year
17. CAR - development year
18. ESS - enough said

Premier - Eagles
Norm - Darling
Charlie - Kennedy ( syd )
Coleman - Jack Reiwoldt

 

[VanDemonxx]

I wouldn't be putting the Lions game down as a guaranteed Win did you not watch last years match

I did. We kept you to 4 goals

 

[VanDemonxx]

In a game we didn't want to win and they only scored 1 goal after half time I'm only guessing but I would say you didn't see the match easiest the worst game of the year last season

Yep. Ok. Cool.

 

[blueiris]

I did. We kept you to 4 goals

Great how many did Melbourne kick themselves 8

 

[Andy_Mac]

Great how many did Melbourne kick themselves 8

Ok so we like doubled your score?

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

Final post NAB prediction:

1. Fremantle
2. Richmond
3. West Coast
4. Sydney
5. Hawthorn
6. Geelong
7. GWS Giants
8. Port Adelaide
9. North Melbourne
10. Bulldogs
11. Melbourne
12. Collingwood
13. Adelaide
14. Gold Coast
15. St Kilda
16. Brisbane
17. Carlton
18. Essendon

 

[Hipster Doofus]

It's embarrassing reading blokes argue about a game in which 13th beat 16th 8 goals to 4 in perfect sunny conditions.

 

[Hipster Doofus]

Final post NAB prediction:

1. Fremantle
2. Richmond
3. West Coast
4. Sydney
5. Hawthorn
6. Geelong
7. GWS Giants
8. North Melbourne
9. Bulldogs
10. Adelaide

You really think we'll finish that high?
By all means I can see us leaping into the top 4 but I can just as likely see us having a bit of an identity crisis again and finishing 9th-12th.

 

[The_Flying_Egg]

Rd1. GWS (H) W
Rd2. Ess (A) W
Rd3. North Melb (A) 50/50
Rd4. Collingwood (A) 50/50
Rd5. Richmond (H) 50/50
Rd6. St.Kilda (H) W
Rd7. Gold Coast (A) W
Rd8. Bulldogs (H) 50/50
Rd9. Brisbane (H) W
Rd10. Port (A) 50/50
Rd11. Hawthorn (A) L
Rd12. Collingwood (H) 50/50
Rd13. Sydney (A) L
Rd14 Bye
Rd15. Adelaide (H) 50/50
Rd16. Fremantle L
Rd17. St.kilda (A) W
Rd18. West coast (A) L
RD19. Gold coast (H) W
RD20. Hawthorn (H) L
RD21. Port (A) L
RD22. Carlton (A) W
RD23. Geelong (A) L

8 wins, 7 5050s, 7 losses

we go 11/12 - 7

given I give us 8 wins and we split the 50/50 games

You think the Dees are a 50-50 chance against 4 teams that played finals?

 

[Angus Young]

Final post NAB prediction:

1. Fremantle
2. Richmond
3. West Coast
4. Sydney
5. Hawthorn
6. Geelong
7. GWS Giants
8. Port Adelaide
9. North Melbourne
10. Bulldogs
11. Melbourne
12. Collingwood
13. Adelaide
14. Gold Coast
15. St Kilda
16. Brisbane
17. Carlton
18. Essendon

yeah because Richmond are going to win more games than Hawthorn.

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

yeah because Richmond are going to win more games than Hawthorn.

Last year it was 16 to 15. Hawthorn have lost 3 premiership players and a promising youngster and replaced them with kids. It's just a prediction and not an overly outlandish one. There is no need to be upset.

 

[VanDemonxx]

You think the Dees are a 50-50 chance against 4 teams that played finals?

Yes

We beat the dogs last year. That should atleast give us a chance
Tigers are overrated and we have had the edge on them for a while
North are an ageing team and I feel will drop this year. We were in it for 3 and 1/2 quarters when we played them last year
Crows at the G' I feel is easily a 50/50. Why you give us no chance to beat the Crows at home baffles me

 

[Angus Young]

Last year it was 16 to 15. Hawthorn have lost 3 premiership players and a promising youngster and replaced them with kids. It's just a prediction and not an overly outlandish one. There is no need to be upset.

I'm not upset but I will be if you dont want to have a wager on it with me.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

yeah because Richmond are going to win more games than Hawthorn.

To be fair you'll have a harder draw than Richmond. Have had players leave the club and won't have Roughead for half the season.

Not as outlandish as you'd think.

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

I'm not upset but I will be if you dont want to have a wager on it with me.

Not particularly. It's not something that I'm absolutely convinced will happen like some deluded fan boy. Just got a feeling that Hawthorn are on the way out.

 

[Gunstall555]

Last year it was 16 to 15. Hawthorn have lost 3 premiership players and a promising youngster and replaced them with kids. It's just a prediction and not an overly outlandish one. There is no need to be upset.

Hawthorn also had a far superior % (best attack and defense last year). If there was 2 seconds longer on the game clock (or the ump didn't **** up with the Puopolo throwing call, in which the umpires boss later came out and admitted the umps got wrong) in the round 2 game Hawthorn are minor premiers and not 3rd at the end of the regular season.

To be as simplistic as saying there was 1 game between them last year is just utter crap. 1 club bombed out first week of finals, again, and another went the whole way, again.

With regards to what we lost, Hale and Lake were on their last legs, Hale especially (our team is improved by bringing Ceglar in), Suckling was edge 22 (hence why he was the sub for the GF) and Anderson, we figured out internally was never going to develop the endurance base, nor have the discipline to track his man or stick to the team structure, and engineered a pretty good trade for him.

Not that you brought it up, but losing Roughy is a blow, but with that said we were able to absolutely wallop Freo and Sydney in consecutive weeks without him (I believe in the Freo game we didn't have Gunston either). The way we dealt with losing key players, and have dealt with over recent years, suggest that we can cope with personal loss as well as, if not better than any other team in the comp.

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

My point was, Richmond weren't that far behind. if you want to play the what if game, Richmond were one Bachar Houli brainfade away from finishing 2nd on the ladder.

Predicting Hawthorn to be overtaken by a club that finished a win and percentage behind them isn't that far fetched, especially when they've lost 3 best 22 players and will be missing their best forward for much of the season.

 

[Tristan34]

Hawthorn also had a far superior % (best attack and defense last year). If there was 2 seconds longer on the game clock (or the ump didn't **** up with the Puopolo throwing call, in which the umpires boss later came out and admitted the umps got wrong) in the round 2 game Hawthorn are minor premiers and not 3rd at the end of the regular season.

To be as simplistic as saying there was 1 game between them last year is just utter crap. 1 club bombed out first week of finals, again, and another went the whole way, again.

With regards to what we lost, Hale and Lake were on their last legs, Hale especially (our team is improved by bringing Ceglar in), Suckling was edge 22 (hence why he was the sub for the GF) and Anderson, we figured out internally was never going to develop the endurance base, nor have the discipline to track his man or stick to the team structure, and engineered a pretty good trade for him.

Not that you brought it up, but losing Roughy is a blow, but with that said we were able to absolutely wallop Freo and Sydney in consecutive weeks without him (I believe in the Freo game we didn't have Gunston either). The way we dealt with losing key players, and have dealt with over recent years, suggest that we can cope with personal loss as well as, if not better than any other team in the comp.

Hale I agree with Ceglar will fill in that hole, but might take a while to get fully settled... Losing Lake and roughie ( for a fair chunk of the season) will hurt Hawthorns structure...They are a great team, but I believe losing structural players hurts more than losing premium midfielders....

 

[Bombermania]

Richmond have a good recent record against the Hawks but for the overall journey the Hawks are just more solid, the Tigers have been there about for a few years whilst the Hawks have often needed to overcome hurdles yet finished the dominate side in the comp,out of the three flag years I don't think the Hawks have had a clear run through out the season where they have built up a head of steam going into September.

 

[footy4ever]

woooooo
Adelaide Minor premiers ^_^

Underrated post. I'm guessing only a few footy followers understand the alphabet.

 

[WestCoast05]

I think West Coast will fall, a big win over Essendon is no reason to get excited. I am much more excited by the young Dogs than anything the Eagles have on offer.

Im pretty sure pundits are not basing anything on the Essendon prac match but are looking at key position players, goal kicking strength, midfield depth, list improvement from trades and defenders returning this season from injury and form from 2nd half of last season (not including the GF of course). The youngsters have gained that little more experience, remember Priddis is the only player over 30. You may be right if you said they could miss the top 4 but to not have them in the 8 at all is something you wouldnt dare do if you were putting the house on it.

 

[Marley10]

The bigfooty ladder position prediction thread is just about who you barrack for and what team you hate than actual prediction based on unbiased list assessments. I really don't get why people get upset about where other people put your team on the ladder.