2016 Non-Crows AFL Discussion - Cont. in Part 2 (link in OP)

[Sam_Malone]

Not the suburb, S Kidman & Co is a company that owns a heap of large cattle stations which are currently up for sale. Since Australians have had farming culture bred out of them over the last 40 years, no-one wants to buy it. One of the prospective buyers is a Chinese company partly owned by PAFC's new footy-mad benefactor.

Oh ok.

Does this Chinese deal with Port Power, have any contingencies to the 'S Kidman & Co' sale?

 

[Red mist]

Not the suburb, S Kidman & Co is a company that owns a heap of large cattle stations which are currently up for sale. Since Australians have had farming culture bred out of them over the last 40 years, no-one wants to buy it. One of the prospective buyers is a Chinese company partly owned by PAFC's new footy-mad benefactor.

Would the reason no one wants to buy it be because they don't see it sustainable for livestock and margins are too tight?

 

[beartoo]

Ah I'm with you now. No doubt there's a bit of that. I'm on board with both decisions though.

Would've just preferred the German U Boats. Not sure the French are the ones to go to if you want regional dominance in submarine warfare.

The French boat has a massive advantage in range, which may have been a big factor. The German sub is a goodun too. So pleased we didn't get the Japanese offering. Would have been massive cost over-runs just in the re-design phase alone.

 

[SmegHead]

Oh ok.

Does this Chinese deal with Port Power, have any contingencies to the 'S Kidman & Co' sale?

I'm no expert, but I doubt the success of one would hinder on the other.

 

[SmegHead]

Would the reason no one wants to buy it be because they don't see it sustainable for livestock and margins are too tight?

That's definitely a factor, farming in this country has become very difficult due to drought and export costs. The debate rages tho as to whether we want a major section of our export infrastructure in the hands of an overseas company.

 

[Sam_Malone]

I'm no expert, but I doubt the success of one would hinder on the other.

I know very little about this but reading between the line, I get the impression the port power deal was a bit of sweetener to butter a few people up.

Bit like, look what I have done for your famous club, now look that way whiles I make a bucket load of money and take it back to Beijing.

 

[PrideOf]

Can someone explain this Kidman park sale to China thing to me like I'm a 5 year old?

Okay, if you're a five-year-old:

The Chinese Government is buying farmland around the world so its people can eat into the foreseeable future. A lot of their focus is on Australia and New Zealand.

Our Feds have put the skids under this deal because they (thank God) have realised that once we sell the farm to the Chinese, and the 95% of the beef gets exported directly to China instead of being sold at Woolies, we'll have nothing to eat as a nation.

Now do your teeth and go to bed like I asked the first time.

 

[SmegHead]

I know very little about this but reading between the line, I get the impression the port power deal was a bit of sweetener to butter a few people up.

Bit like, look what I have done for your famious club, now look that way whiles I make a bucket load of money and take it back to Beijing.

It can definitely look like that, no businessperson ever does anything completely altruistically. Port were originally introduced to this guy by the SA governments trade junkets overseas. The money he is giving Port is only to be spent on development of the code in China too.

 

[fabs33]

Wow they are getting really soft over at Alberton, first the players were deeply upset by Kochie being mean to them and now their supporters are upset because Vince had a dig at Toumpas. "Leave Jimmy alone", their underbelly is growing softer and softer by the minute,

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/mel...a/news-story/6d0705a79200a231458661921c5d753e

That pride they once had for being hated is gone. I guess that's what happens when you go from being a big fish in a little pond to a sardine in an ocean.

 

[PrideOf]

It can definitely look like that, no businessperson ever does anything completely altruistically. Port were originally introduced to this guy by the SA governments trade junkets overseas. The money he is giving Port is only to be spent on development of the code in China too.

It was always a sweetener - always - because as you said: "no businessperson ever does anything completely altruistically".

That's what made the circlejerk from Port so hilarious, especially when Keith started saying, "he has no agenda, it's a gift to the people of Adelaide."

 

[Red mist]

It was always a sweetener - always - because as you said: "no businessperson ever does anything completely altruistically".

That's what made the circlejerk from Port so hilarious, especially when Keith started saying, "he has no agenda, it's a gift to the people of Adelaide."

Lol. There isn't a gift other than him giving over beef after he's running the properties. Spending a million in China shouldnt be a problem.

 

[mattymac]

The French boat has a massive advantage in range, which may have been a big factor. The German sub is a goodun too. So pleased we didn't get the Japanese offering. Would have been massive cost over-runs just in the re-design phase alone.

The french boat is basically a conversion of their nuclear sub design to diesel-electric which means its a lot bigger than the German sub. The Germans have been specialising in diesel-electric subs since they were allowed to build u-boats again and they build and export far more than anyone else. Hydrogen fuel cells and only being as big as it needs to be make it a smaller and quieter target. The German boat therefore has greater survivability in an actual combat scenario. No use having an enormous range if you get detected and sunk once you arrive on station. But same as buying the M1 Abrams, we don't always go best available with this stuff. I'm sure there were some backs scratched behind closed doors.

 

[relapse]

That pride they once had for being hated is gone. I guess that's what happens when you go from being a big fish in a little pond to a sardine in an ocean.

They're not hated now, they're just irrelevant which deep down eats at them. They actually remind me now of a little kid who is desperately trying to get attention, but when they find out that no-one cares about them they get petulant and try and pretend that people are just "jealous of them".

The Never Tear Us Apart is the prime example, the only people who ever bring it up now are Port supporters and it's used by them as some sort of badge of honour, but they don't seem to be able to grasp the reality that no-one actually cares about it anymore. I had a Port friend rattling on social media before the Showdown about "how the pre-game doesn't compares to the experience of Never Tear Us Apart" and after I told him, "Not sure why you Port supporters keep harping on about it. You do realise don't you that outside of the Alberton crowd, no-one actually gives two f$#*% about the pre-game stuff, it's not 2014 anymore", he didn't bother to respond to me after that.

 

[Red mist]

The french boat is basically a conversion of their nuclear sub design to diesel-electric which means its a lot bigger than the German sub. The Germans have been specialising in diesel-electric subs since they were allowed to build u-boats again and they build and export far more than anyone else. Hydrogen fuel cells and only being as big as it needs to be make it a smaller and quieter target. The German boat therefore has greater survivability in an actual combat scenario. No use having an enormous range if you get detected and sunk once you arrive on station. But same as buying the M1 Abrams, we don't always go best available with this stuff. I'm sure there were some backs scratched behind closed doors.

Where did the Oberon class sub design come from?

 

[mattymac]

I know very little about this but reading between the line, I get the impression the port power deal was a bit of sweetener to butter a few people up.

Bit like, look what I have done for your famous club, now look that way whiles I make a bucket load of money and take it back to Beijing.

That's precisely what it was

 

[mattymac]

Where did the Oberon class sub design come from?

UK

 

[Red mist]

UK

lol figures. Defence contracts are hairy. Too much shoulder rubbing than security.

 

[mattymac]

lol figures. Defence contracts are hairy. Too much shoulder rubbing than security.

Basically if you want the best tanks or submarines you go to zee Germans otherwise questions must be asked

 

[footy4ever]

$371 million land and assets parcel with 80% to go to the Chinese. It's just too big for the national interest. They'll have to break it down and get more Australian investors taking a larger chunk.

Gui throwing money at Port was a blatant ploy to get state labor government support in his bid to acquire S Kidman & Co

I'm mostly concerned with Chinese commercial interests getting control over our rangeland beef stocks and the price of steak going through the roof

but but but huff puff puffety puff you just don't understand how the Chinese do business!...it's perfectly OK to accept money from a rich man who 'wants nothing in return and fell in love with AFL and Port Adelaide after one quarter' and also after the State govt full of Port tossers had introduced him to Port while licking their chops at the prospect of Port receiving bribe money for a leg up in the Kidman deal.

Youse are all racist!

 

[Red mist]

Basically if you want the best tanks or submarines you go to zee Germans otherwise questions must be asked

Basil Fawlty JPEG2000.

 

[relapse]

but but but huff puff puffety puff you just don't understand how the Chinese do business!...it's perfectly OK to accept money from a rich man who 'wants nothing in return and fell in love with AFL and Port Adelaide after one game' and also after the State govt full of Port tossers had introduced him to Port while licking their chops at the prospect of Port receiving bribe money for a leg up in the Kidman deal.

Youse are all racist!

I bet it won't be long before some moron on their board will try and claim that Christopher Pyne was influencing people behind the scenes to block the sale because he has an "anti Port agenda".

 

[beartoo]

Where did the Oberon class sub design come from?

Sweden. It was odd that we didn't allow them entry to the evaluation process.

 

[footy4ever]

Sweden. It was odd that we didn't allow them entry to the evaluation process.

Too closely related to vikings. Pesky vikings!

 

[Red mist]

Sweden. It was odd that we didn't allow them entry to the evaluation process.

Bloody Volvo drivers.

Too closely related to vikings. Pesky vikings!

love that show

 

[beartoo]

The french boat is basically a conversion of their nuclear sub design to diesel-electric which means its a lot bigger than the German sub. The Germans have been specialising in diesel-electric subs since they were allowed to build u-boats again and they build and export far more than anyone else. Hydrogen fuel cells and only being as big as it needs to be make it a smaller and quieter target. The German boat therefore has greater survivability in an actual combat scenario. No use having an enormous range if you get detected and sunk once you arrive on station. But same as buying the M1 Abrams, we don't always go best available with this stuff. I'm sure there were some backs scratched behind closed doors.

And there's no point not having the range to get to the operational area and be able to stay there a while. Both the German and French bids were good submarines. Impossible to say which is better because neither have yet been built. Don't know if you are correct in saying that the German boat would have been quieter. The French doesn't have a propeller and relies on a different propulsion system to the norm