Official Club Stuff 2017 Membership Tally

[The_Wookie]

Yep, the numbers seem too disproportionate for it to be simply greater underlying support or Hawks doing well marketing to kids. It's a technical reason and not really representative.

its also probably got absolutely nothing to do with the sudden growth of juniors in 2009 following the premiership or any of the following premierships. Up until 2008 they were neck and neck with everyone else.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

its also probably got absolutely nothing to do with the sudden growth of juniors in 2009 following the premiership or any of the following premierships. Up until 2008 they were neck and neck with everyone else.

Never said they almost certainly don't have more junior support than other clubs. Just that it almost certainly isn't double the amount of the next teams in the competition as represented by the membership numbers, that's just common sense. The fact that they offer 4 kid family memberships seems to artifically bump up their numbers, especially when many families would take up that offer with 3 kids or something similar.

 

[The_Wookie]

because they offer in their family memberships two adults and four kids
all or most other clubs offer two adults & two kids

simple explanation to the larger numbers

You are full of it, like you always are on this issue. A quick glance through club memberships reveals practically everyone in Melbourne does it.

• Essendon offer an option for 2 adults and 4 kids (and 2+2 and 2+3)
• Richmonds family membership covers up to 4 juniors.
• Carlton offer both 2+2 and 2+4 options.
• Melbournes family membership is 2 adults and up to 4 children
• North Melbournes family membership is 2 adults and up to 4 children
• St Kildas family membership is 2 adults and up to 4 children
• Geelongs family membership is 2 adults and "must not exceed 4 juniors"

Collingwood, Bulldogs are only 2+2 (although the dogs site does say they can offer other combinations if you contact membership services).

 

[The_Wookie]

Never said they almost certainly don't have more junior support than other clubs. Just that it almost certainly isn't double the amount of the next teams in the competition as represented by the membership numbers, that's just common sense. The fact that they offer 4 kid family memberships seems to artifically bump up their numbers, especially when many families would take up that offer with 3 kids or something similar.

See above. Pretty much everyone offers them. Apparently Hawthorn are just the people folks like to beat up on about it.

 

[Bazzar]

Final NMFC membership tally for 2017.

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Congratulations on moving into the 90's

 

[NoobPie]

See above. Pretty much everyone offers them. Apparently Hawthorn are just the people folks like to beat up on about it.

Actually, no, TNP is using conjecture to assert that there is almost certainly a technical reason hawthorn have such a large disproportion of junior memberships than all the other vic clubs...

Yep, the numbers seem too disproportionate for it to be simply greater underlying support or Hawks doing well marketing to kids. It's a technical reason and not really representative.

Nobody is "beating up on" the hawks, just stating what seems to me to be the rational assumption

 

[The_Wookie]

Actually, no, TNP is using conjecture to assert that there is almost certainly a technical reason hawthorn have such a large disproportion of junior memberships than all the other vic clubs...

That technical reason is nothing more than other clubs not having people take the options available to them. That and technically winning several flags.

Nobody is "beating up on" the hawks, just stating what seems to me to be the rational assumption

Bullshit. bombers does this all the damn time. This is his pet hate, along with anything hawthorn and tasmania related.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

because they offer in their family memberships two adults and four kids
all or most other clubs offer two adults & two kids

simple explanation to the larger numbers

Each club has different pricing for memberships, that is nothing special.

AND its not an automatic "four kids" with every family membership. Its up to four. No name, no barcode, no number on the membership tally

This bullshit about hawks phantom kids members was disproven years ago

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Suppose I was wrong then. Don't think memberships is representative of actual support however because common sense would dictate that Hawthorn aren't at least twice as big as every other club when it comes to kids.

 

[The_Wookie]

Suppose I was wrong then. Don't think memberships is representative of actual support however because common sense would dictate that Hawthorn aren't at least twice as big as every other club when it comes to kids.

why? Where does common sense factor into that? Theres no reason they couldnt, and many reasons why they could.

Why couldnt Hawthorn raise twice as many juniors in a period where they have been hugely successful and had hugely popular talents like Lance Franklin to market? Look at the Swans membership increases since Franklin went north.

In 2008, Hawthorn, Essendon, Carlton and others were all roughly on level pegging juniors wise - Hawthorn didnt really take a commanding lead in juniors until 2009 - the year after their 2008 flag - and they won three in a row in the years after that and were runner up in another year, while hosting the most dominant forward of this century on their list.

 

[blaisee]

because they offer in their family memberships two adults and four kids
all or most other clubs offer two adults & two kids

simple explanation to the larger numbers

this makes sense.

so these extra 2 kids could be anyone kids , they basically offer 2 free memberships.

 

[The_Wookie]

this makes sense.

so these extra 2 kids could be anyone kids , they basically offer 2 free memberships.

it makes no extra special sense at all when 8 of 10 victorian clubs offer the same option.

 

[bombersfan4000]

Each club has different pricing for memberships, that is nothing special.

AND its not an automatic "four kids" with every family membership. Its up to four. No name, no barcode, no number on the membership tally

This bullshit about hawks phantom kids members was disproven years ago

when they offer that option & the number is magically next to double the next clubs

 

[Ned_Flanders]

when they offer that option & the number is magically next to double the next clubs

Well so do your mob so its not the offer thats getting the numbers ffd

 

[Gralin]

its like people don't think kids would look at Buddy when he was at the Hawks, Cyril, Hodge, Rough etc, and the flags and think dad buy me a membership
it's also like people don't think about what point in their lives kids from the 80s would be now on average, and who they grew up supporting due to Dunstall and Brereton and Ayres and Dipper and the flags

you have a bunch of hawks kids from the 80s having families and signing their kids up and you have a bunch of kids now following the hawks due to their recent success and certain players

 

[blaisee]

its like people don't think kids would look at Buddy when he was at the Hawks, Cyril, Hodge, Rough etc, and the flags and think dad buy me a membership
it's also like people don't think about what point in their lives kids from the 80s would be now on average, and who they grew up supporting due to Dunstall and Brereton and Ayres and Dipper and the flags

you have a bunch of hawks kids from the 80s having families and signing their kids up and you have a bunch of kids now following the hawks due to their recent success and certain players

incredible story.

the only thing that doesnt fit is that noone turns up to games.

It is like the Easter Bunny and the tooth fairy, you just have to believe. LOL

 

[Gralin]

incredible story.

the only thing that doesnt fit is that noone turns up to games.

It is like the Easter Bunny and the tooth fairy, you just have to believe. LOL

Yeah no one turns up that's why Hawks have played in front of the fifth most people this year and why six of the 20 highest attended games were against the Hawks

 

[NoobPie]

its like people don't think kids would look at Buddy when he was at the Hawks, Cyril, Hodge, Rough etc, and the flags and think dad buy me a membership
it's also like people don't think about what point in their lives kids from the 80s would be now on average, and who they grew up supporting due to Dunstall and Brereton and Ayres and Dipper and the flags

you have a bunch of hawks kids from the 80s having families and signing their kids up and you have a bunch of kids now following the hawks due to their recent success and certain players

No, these considerations might explain the discrepancy if it was 20% rather than 100%.

 

[Gralin]

No, these considerations might explain the discrepancy if it was 20% rather than 100%.

Because we were only, 20% more successful during those periods?
Seriously how can you decide how many supporters two sustained periods of success is worth?

 

[NoobPie]

Because we were only, 20% more successful during those periods?
Seriously how can you decide how many supporters two sustained periods of success is worth?

I'm not doing that at all. I'm saying that, unless you've got the pied piper running off the half back flank, the doubling of the proportion of juniors to total members cannot be explained by on field success

For a start, on field success tends to attract lapsed members and other long term fans back in to the fold

 

[bombersfan4000]

it makes no extra special sense at all when 8 of 10 victorian clubs offer the same option.

what clubs do? that would be a new initiative then, the hawks have been doing it for years & tigers recently

 

[bombersfan4000]

I'm not doing that at all. I'm saying that, unless you've got the pied piper running off the half back flank, the doubling of the proportion of juniors to total members cannot be explained by on field success

For a start, on field success tends to attract lapsed members and other long term fans back in to the fold

more than the next team with the junior members yes but deffinatly not double

 

[The_Wookie]

what clubs do? that would be a new initiative then, the hawks have been doing it for years & tigers recently

As above

You are full of it, like you always are on this issue. A quick glance through club memberships reveals practically everyone in Melbourne does it.

• Essendon offer an option for 2 adults and 4 kids (and 2+2 and 2+3)
• Richmonds family membership covers up to 4 juniors.
• Carlton offer both 2+2 and 2+4 options.
• Melbournes family membership is 2 adults and up to 4 children
• North Melbournes family membership is 2 adults and up to 4 children
• St Kildas family membership is 2 adults and up to 4 children
• Geelongs family membership is 2 adults and "must not exceed 4 juniors"

Collingwood, Bulldogs are only 2+2 (although the dogs site does say they can offer other combinations if you contact membership services).

 

[The_Wookie]

more than the next team with the junior members yes but deffinatly not double

definitely not. No way. Not possible. How the hell do you know?

 

[bombersfan4000]

As above

the Essendon one is only new, not sure about the others