Training 2017 Preseason

[Mr Ripper]

When a rumour does the rounds
You must whippet

 

[Gadzorks]

We had something very similar at my local. One of the fitness blokes made us do 2 pre seasons sucking through a cut down straw. Couldnt breathe through the nose as it was cheating. Not overly sure how safe it was. Worked a treat though.

Swimmers do a lot of under water holding breath work to the same effect. it's actually called hypoxic training and had been around for decades, however, there have been quite a few die from it over the years. And not just in training - it is also called shallow water blackout and had claimed a few kids when just playing holding breath games in pools. it happens so quickly even to extremely competent swimmers. very scary.

 

[POBT]

When a rumour does the rounds
You must whippet

You're a real devo.

 

[Gadzorks]

When a rumour does the rounds
You must whippet

I say whippet
Whippet good

That ear worm is going to bug me for hours now. thanks Mr Ripper and devo

 

[Milux]

Swimmers do a lot of under water holding breath work to the same effect. it's actually called hypoxic training and had been around for decades, however, there have been quite a few die from it over the years. And not just in training - it is also called shallow water blackout and had claimed a few kids when just playing holding breath games in pools. it happens so quickly even to extremely competent swimmers. very scary.

Yeah have heard of the kids in pools. Me and my father in law are looking at spear fishing and similar things have happened while free diving.

 

[L Dizz]

Swimmers do a lot of under water holding breath work to the same effect. it's actually called hypoxic training and had been around for decades, however, there have been quite a few die from it over the years. And not just in training - it is also called shallow water blackout and had claimed a few kids when just playing holding breath games in pools. it happens so quickly even to extremely competent swimmers. very scary.

What swimmers do is actually a bit different. Our "take a breath" response occurs when the carbon dioxide levels in our blood reach a certain threshold. Swimmers (sprinters) want to breathe as little as possible (because lifting your head out of the water slows you down), so they deliberately hyperventilate in order to lower the carbon dioxide levels in their blood before getting in the pool. This delays the time before the body tells you NEED to take a breath. As you breathe less you do swim with less oxygen in the body (hyoxia). But if you hyperventilate too much and get the CO2 levels too low to begin with, you can run out of O2 before that breathing response kicks in, and get in trouble.

There's absolutely no danger with the thing Rhys is using as you wouldn't hyperventilate prior to using it, as it's trying to get a different physiological adaptation.

 

[Whippet]

Or you could stop coming on to another team's board and telling them what they should and shouldn't believe. Each individual can make their own mind up.

For an Adelaide supporter you seem to spend a lot of time on here picking fights and evaluating the truth of rumours. Surely the Adelaide board has some rumours you can debunk?

These are terrific counter arguments guys. One of us is coming up with a common sense approach to the UNBELIEVABLE postings, and others just say go back to where you came from. Awesome stuff, and very predictable. Wheres the Godfather of Brisbanes bigfooty Browny to come and step in and put the believers minds at ease?

 

[Haso]

Swimmers do a lot of under water holding breath work to the same effect. it's actually called hypoxic training and had been around for decades, however, there have been quite a few die from it over the years. And not just in training - it is also called shallow water blackout and had claimed a few kids when just playing holding breath games in pools. it happens so quickly even to extremely competent swimmers. very scary.

Good friend of mine lost his brother to shallow water blackout on Australia day year before this one. It's very quick.

 

[Haso]

These are terrific counter arguments guys. One of us is coming up with a common sense approach to the UNBELIEVABLE postings, and others just say go back to where you came from. Awesome stuff, and very predictable. Wheres the Godfather of Brisbanes bigfooty Browny to come and step in and put the believers minds at ease?

Mate. It's our backyard.

I think Billy might have meant that the players were drinking in the evening prior to games. Not directly before.

 

[winged1]

Correct. But what I do know is that people on bigfooty come up with ridiculous stories/comments and the gullible folk run with it as gospel i.e. the person on this thread that said they read an article, when in fact it was just a posting. Billy saying that players drank before a game is complete nonsense.
I spoke to a farmer out the road yesterday and he told me that he caught several posters from here interfering with some of his livestock. So we will run with that story as well i guess

Look if they were Collingwood suporters I
think we can take the statement as gospel

 

[ZoBlitz]

These are terrific counter arguments guys. One of us is coming up with a common sense approach to the UNBELIEVABLE postings, and others just say go back to where you came from. Awesome stuff, and very predictable. Wheres the Godfather of Brisbanes bigfooty Browny to come and step in and put the believers minds at ease?

Ah, I see I was being too subtle. Stop posting as the reliability police here or you won't be given the choice.

 

[Cooties]

For an Adelaide supporter you seem to spend a lot of time on here picking fights and evaluating the truth of rumours. Surely the Adelaide board has some rumours you can debunk?

I've got a feeling he's not a Crows supporter and might have a closer connection to the club than we realise.

Isn't that right, Gus/Whippet?

Anyway, back to the whole point of this thread - loving that Matho's keen to get back into and address a part of his game that he knows isn't quite up there yet in terms of aerobic endurance... great character

 

[Gadzorks]

Good friend of mine lost his brother to shallow water blackout on Australia day year before this one. It's very quick.

Tragic loss. we all do silly things but some poor buggers pay the ultimate price.

 

[Gadzorks]

What swimmers do is actually a bit different. Our "take a breath" response occurs when the carbon dioxide levels in our blood reach a certain threshold. Swimmers (sprinters) want to breathe as little as possible (because lifting your head out of the water slows you down), so they deliberately hyperventilate in order to lower the carbon dioxide levels in their blood before getting in the pool. This delays the time before the body tells you NEED to take a breath. As you breathe less you do swim with less oxygen in the body (hyoxia). But if you hyperventilate too much and get the CO2 levels too low to begin with, you can run out of O2 before that breathing response kicks in, and get in trouble.

There's absolutely no danger with the thing Rhys is using as you wouldn't hyperventilate prior to using it, as it's trying to get a different physiological adaptation.

Didn't mean to imply any danger with the masks. they are just mimicking altitude training by restricting the available oxygen.

Great explanation btw

 

[WA Lion]

I've got a feeling he's not a Crows supporter and might have a closer connection to the club than we realise.

Isn't that right, Gus/Whippet?

Anyway, back to the whole point of this thread - loving that Matho's keen to get back into and address a part of his game that he knows isn't quite up there yet in terms of aerobic endurance... great character

If that is Gus that would explain a lot, any interactions I have had with that Muppet on social media generally result in him coming across as a thoroughly unpleasant individual.

And good point RE Matho, hopefully some other players follow his lead

 

[nigelicious]

If that is Gus that would explain a lot, any interactions I have had with that Muppet on social media generally result in him coming across as a thoroughly unpleasant individual.

 

[Hollow Knight]

These are terrific counter arguments guys. One of us is coming up with a common sense approach to the UNBELIEVABLE postings, and others just say go back to where you came from. Awesome stuff, and very predictable. Wheres the Godfather of Brisbanes bigfooty Browny to come and step in and put the believers minds at ease?

Here! Sorry to keep you waiting. Loved you in Viking Quest.

Give my regards to Turtle and E.

 

[Nunez]

Here! Sorry to keep you waiting. Loved you in Viking Quest.

Give my regards to Turtle and E.

Were you out drinking with the players before training? Shame on you TBD!

 

[BRAB]

Were you out drinking with the players before training? Shame on you TBD!

Um, that's literally just bigfooty bullshit mate. Don't make me call the reliability police on ya.

 

[Nunez]

Um, that's literally just bigfooty bullshit mate. Don't make me call the reliability police on ya.

Given this is to do with a whippet and a brown dog, I'd have thought dogshit was more appropriate

 

[briztoon]

There was a pretty good comment made on the Lions FB page from the article of Rhys using those mask thingy's. Pretty much echo's what I was thinking when reading the comments here. But not being medical/science person, didn't want to comment.


Blayze Sherry Just throwing this out there........
There is little to NO evidence coming from and sports science study that shows altitude masks or restricted breathing equates to long term aerobic performance.

Also the lung is not a muscle you CANNOT! train it or make it stronger and breath more,

you may be applying resistance to the intercostal and diaphragm muscles but again these muscle are not the limiting factor in breathing, the problem is the carbon dioxide produced by exercise that the body has to clear and this takes the place that oxygen would have to be transported throughout the body.

This is for all the young guys that are being tricked by the fancy advertising, don't waist your time or money.

 

[briztoon]

Won't let me c&p the rest of the discussion.

 

[briztoon]

Any significant RBC adaptations can only be made if the person lives in the low oxygen environment for extended periods. And once they return to the regular oxygen content of Brisbane, these adaption quickly diminish. Not just that again there is no scientific evidence that these interventions correlate with long term or significant performance improvements.

Pick up a physiology text book before reading what Google/Wikipedia tells you.

 

[Cooties]

Pros and cons aside of the specific training method I think the initiative shown by Matho to get back into training early is a good sign of his character. Who knows, maybe Round 20, 2017, Matho is in the fourth quarter of a tight game running low on energy and sucking in deep breaths and thinks to himself "Well, if I can get through that restricted oxygen training in preseason, I can get through this quarter" and even if its some giant placebo he finds another gear and pushes himself to run out the game...

Beats a holiday in Bali in terms of preparation

 

[Gibbo_88]

That doesn't surprise me. Could be a good placebo effect like a lot of other things though.

A few years ago they had skins compression gear on sale and my housemate was trying to convince me to get some as well. I tried to find any studies that showed any evidence of the advantages....and there was none. The only advantage I could find is that there is less need to do warm up exercises. There is no negative effect of wearing them and those that wear them are convinced that they are getting better blood flow etc so it's all just a mental thing...and good marketing.