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I am going to remain very skeptical about him. The AFL just can't afford to him to leave the little child of the AFL... Even though it is a delinquent child
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The AFL couldn't afford Jaeger to leave either, but he turned his back on the GC and left.I am going to remain very skeptical about him. The AFL just can't afford to him to leave the little child of the AFL... Even though it is a delinquent child
Read the posts above mine.Has news come out of the Lynch camp that I haven't seen yet? Why the optimism?
I did hear him interviewed a couple of months ago and he didn't sound like he wanted to stay at all
It is only worth bringing in an expensive free agent if they are really going to add value on the field. I believe Lynch would and would love to have him, especially at his age and the role we need to replace (Roughy both as a key forward and as a leader). If we failed to nab Lynch, I'd be stoked if we could get McGovern.We all thought we would land a player as a FA last year to. I’ll believe it when I see it.
We’ve only landed Frawley as a FA and we’d just come off two flags.
Time to deliver a big name FA
Personally I think he'll land elsewhere unless we finish 2018 looking like the team most likely to win a flag in 2019. To get Lynch would be a complete reversal of everything Hawthorn has done at the trade table in the last decade unless he comes at a bargain basement price. All our trades have been "value trades" for players who were seen at the time as very good, but not elite (Gibson, McEvoy, Hale), or if they were seen as elite, were seen to have injury (Burgoyne, O'Meara) or longevity/beyond their best concerns (Lake). Gunston and T.Mitchell probably the exceptions, but T.Mitchell had question marks on how he'd go when he got attention as the #1 mid and Gunston was obviously talented , but still somewhat unproven when he moved back east. We've certainly not been shy to throw picks around, but while Lynch might be moving for success, his manager will not be keen to let him move without maximising Lynch's value, and I don't think Lynch will consider a bargain price unless he thinks we are his best chance of a flag, and paying massive overs in terms of cap space doesn't seem to be something we've been keen to do (Vickery seems an exception, but I think his numbers would have looked much lower if he was actually paid for 3 years instead of his initial 2, and that this was the plan from the start).
I'm not sure how much you can believe the 'down to Hawthorn and Pies' rumours either. Way too early, and if I was him, I'd be keeping a close eye on how 2018 unfolds before getting anywhere near a final decision if I was moving clubs to hunt flags given the 2017 performance of both mentioned teams.
I don’t think we need to show we are capable of winning the flag in 2019 necessarily. Realistically we’ll just need to show that we’re not going to be dropping off a cliff and that the young list under Clarko’s hand is going places over the next 3-5 years. Very achievable with our returning players.
This all ignores how we went after Frawley who was the prized recruit at the end of 2014. We didn’t pay overs, granted, but it’s not completely unlike us to go for a big target.
Also when it’s part of a succession plan. In that case as a KPD replacement for Lake.This all ignores how we went after Frawley who was the prized recruit at the end of 2014. We didn’t pay overs, granted, but it’s not completely unlike us to go for a big target.
So did I.I didn't mean from Hawthorn's point in terms of justifying chasing him, I meant from Lynch's point of view in terms of choosing us.
Probably. But then he’s playing for Gold Coast and getting the delivery you’d expect from a rubbish side with no direction.I think lynch is getting talked up beyond his career output.
I like the way the guy plays but it’s not like you tune in every week to watch Tom Lynch tear apart.
We are talking about paying two million dollars per year to a guy who kicked 44 goals in a season.
Reckon the hype is extending beyond his output
his 2016 was pretty decent, the question really is always, what if he was in a better teamI think lynch is getting talked up beyond his career output.
I like the way the guy plays but it’s not like you tune in every week to watch Tom Lynch tear apart.
We are talking about paying two million dollars per year to a guy who kicked 44 goals in a season.
Reckon the hype is extending beyond his output
I still didn't see Frawley as a "big fish" at the time. He was AA in 2010, and we didn't get him until 2015. I'd say he was a well above average defender, and I'm happy he's on our list, but I'm not sure anyone could call him elite. I see him as another of our "value for money" deals for players considered just under the elite level by the rest of the competition, but filling essential roles in our structure.
Does restricted free agency mean that if GC match our offer (which they will) we will have to trade for him?
Wel I don’t thubk josh Kennedy is worth 1-2m per year either.his 2016 was pretty decent, the question really is always, what if he was in a better team
He's not quite Josh Kennedy but he's ahead of where Josh was at the same time in their careers as far as best season
not suggesting he is, just that Lynch is tracking as well or better than Kennedy, and the cap is going up which means guys will make more than those that came before even if they are only as good or not even as good.Wel I don’t thubk josh Kennedy is worth 1-2m per year either.
Can we force collingwood to pay too much then get one of our better value pickups like burger, Gibbo or omeara?
So did I.
We’ve got some older players for sure, but I see that as a plus. They’re playing mostly supporting roles and have heaps of premiership experience. The new core of young players (O’Meara, Mitchell, Sicily, Burton, Hardwick, Lovell, O’Brien, Brand, etc) - despite what a few Essendon supporters will try to convince you of - are really promising. The improvement from that group is what he’ll be more interested in I reckon than whether or not guys like Stratton, Birchall, Rioli, Roughead, etc will still be firing for years to come.
No doubt Clarko will be sharing with him the vision and what we’re doing to achieve it. We can only guess.
I think lynch is getting talked up beyond his career output.
I like the way the guy plays but it’s not like you tune in every week to watch Tom Lynch tear apart.
We are talking about paying two million dollars per year to a guy who kicked 44 goals in a season.
Reckon the hype is extending beyond his output
Tom Boyd was handed $6m as a 19 year old who'd achieved nothing. Dominant KPF's don't grow on trees, I'm not saying Lynch is worth it but clearly its a seller's market.I think lynch is getting talked up beyond his career output.
I like the way the guy plays but it’s not like you tune in every week to watch Tom Lynch tear apart.
We are talking about paying two million dollars per year to a guy who kicked 44 goals in a season.
Reckon the hype is extending beyond his output
Yea that was ridiculous. Since then they've traded in Cloke and Schache, trying to fill the hole that Boyd hasn't been able to. Bad move by the dogs and I think that was a rare moment-in-time thing that could happen because of their cap situation and the exodus of senior players that was happening.Tom Boyd was handed $6m as a 19 year old who'd achieved nothing. Dominant KPF's don't grow on trees, I'm not saying Lynch is worth it but clearly its a seller's market.
Unfortunately if the AFL has any brains they'll make him an offer he can't refuse and he'll stay at GC. Would be another nail in the franchise's coffin if he left.
I agree completely about Boyd, and wouldn't want to see the Hawks dump $1.5m+ on Lynch either since one of the keys to our 3peat was signing a list of stars at below-market rates. Not only does it allow more talent to be squeezed onto the list but also mitigates fringe-player resentment of the megabuck salaries of the stars.Yea that was ridiculous. Since then they've traded in Cloke and Schache, trying to fill the hole that Boyd hasn't been able to. Bad move by the dogs and I think that was a rare moment-in-time thing that could happen because of their cap situation and the exodus of senior players that was happening.
Lynch - yeah he's good. He would make us better - but we gotta consider who deserves 10% of our salary cap. That's a big piece of the pie. I know everyone is saying he'd perform better in a better team - but great KPFs in dud teams can sometimes become the only focal point and do quite well. e.g. Mark Williams when we were crap, Fev, Jeremy Cameron before GWS were making finals, Ben Brown this year, etc.
Call me tight, but if we're going to spend up I want to be absolutely sure of it.