NCAA 2019/20 NCAA - Bowl Season [Dec 21 - Jan 14]

[aussiedude]

Yeah
Second I saw Memphis was ranked higher and hadn't heard a word about other potential bowl destinations I knew wed get Washington in Vegas

At least if we win we set a bowl record 5 wins. (Currently tied with the 4-1 Utah Utes)

Cal should of been given the Vegas bowl. but since ESPN own the bowl most were expecting them to try and get Washington.

 

[Dirty Bird]

Cal would've been good
Battle of the disciples

Bryan Harsin (Boise State Offensive Co-ordinator 2006-10) vs Justin Wilcox (Boise State Defensive co-ordinator 2006-09)

 

[Dirty Bird]

If George Holani can rush for 21 yards in the Las Vegas Bowl, Boise State will hold the record (I don't know if alltime or not) for consecutive seasons producing a 1000 yard rusher.

Boise State and Auburn are tied at the moment with 9 straight seasons. However, Auburn would require JaTarvious Whitlow to rush for 261 yards.

 

[aussiedude]

If George Holani can rush for 21 yards in the Las Vegas Bowl, Boise State will hold the record (I don't know if alltime or not) for consecutive seasons producing a 1000 yard rusher.

Boise State and Auburn are tied at the moment with 9 straight seasons. However, Auburn would require JaTarvious Whitlow to rush for 261 yards.

Does Auburn count bowl games? because some records dont count bowls for rush/pass yd seasons and even defense stats.

 

[Dirty Bird]

Does Auburn count bowl games? because some records dont count bowls for rush/pass yd seasons and even defense stats.

The record is season whole I believe.
I had heard about Boise States streak but didn't know it was the countries longest until I went searching for it just then.

 

[AJ_2000]

Toledo are the only bowl eligible team to miss out.

 

[aussiedude]

Toledo are the only bowl eligible team to miss out.

Most were expecting FIU to be the one left in the dust.

 

[Dirty Bird]

Toledo are the only bowl eligible team to miss out.

Shouldve been Liberty.
6 teams had to win 7 games this year. 2 (Army and Hawaii) were because they played 13 game regular seasons, and 4 (East Carolina, Florida, Liberty and Virginia Tech) were because they scheduled 2 FCS schools. East Carolina only won 4, so I felt the worst of the other 3 should've missed, that's the 7-5 Liberty team.

Wow, I didnt realise how bad Libertys wins were

7-5 Buffalo
2-10 New Mexico
@ 2-10 New Mexico State
5-7 Hampton (FCS)
6-6 Maine (FCS)
@ 1-11 UMass
2-10 New Mexico State

Their wins were vs teams who went 25-59


And I can make that sound a lot worse than that
UMass were 1 of 3 FBS teams to lose to an FCS team this year. Plus, their only win was vs the 0-12 Akron Zips
New Mexico only beat the 2-10 New Mexico State side and their FCS game
New Mexico State beat a 1-11 UTEP side (whos only win was vs an FCS side) and their FCS opponent

How in gods name (Pun intended - They're the Baptist version of Notre Dame) did Liberty get selected. Would you rather a Liberty team that shit, or a 6-6 MAC side?

 

[aussiedude]

The record is season whole I believe.
I had heard about Boise States streak but didn't know it was the countries longest until I went searching for it just then.

some records are silly with not including bowl stats. the Barry Sanders record didnt use bowl stats.
but most modern stats use bowl games [unless it doesnt make the record look better because its a loss or game with under 100yds rush/rec]

 

[aussiedude]

Shouldve been Liberty.
6 teams had to win 7 games this year. 2 (Army and Hawaii) were because they played 13 game regular seasons, and 4 (East Carolina, Florida, Liberty and Virginia Tech) were because they scheduled 2 FCS schools. East Carolina only won 4, so I felt the worst of the other 3 should've missed, that's the 7-5 Liberty team.

They have only been in the FBS for 2 years. but would of been worth leaving them out for a Hugh Freeze tantrum

 

[Dirty Bird]

They have only been in the FBS for 2 years. but would of been worth leaving them out for a Hugh Freeze tantrum

I edited my post
They beat 1 team at the FBS level better than 2-10.......

 

[aussiedude]

I edited my post
They beat 1 team at the FBS level better than 2-10.......

Well its good news for hookers in Florida that Hugh is coming down in a few weeks

 

[Dirty Bird]

Cant believe I spent nearly 2 hours writing this post on a Boise State forum (needed to do some research to back it up. Knew some facts, but expanded elsewhere)

Should the playoff expand? Yes

The top end teams of the Power 5 conferences have huge programs steeped in history. Locking out a minimum of 1 of them each year is costing you money.

Should the playoff expand to 8? No, more, however, the jump to the ideal number is too big. So you take the little step to 8 now, but have the intent of growing longer term.

8 I feel would be terrible. Itll just change the argument. Should a Florida team who sat our championship week be allowed to fall over the line into the playoff because Utah played a good team and lost? You either go deeper, or not at all. And we know 4 isn't good enough, so you go deeper.

Whats the ideal number? Well, you need to get all 10 conference champions into it. I personally like the idea of 12. Top 4 get the bye, then 5-12 playto the quarter finals. But Im a realist, the powers that be will never allow that. So Ill say 16, or to give the highest ranked teams an advantage, go to 20 (24 - which is the current FCS model is just too much for me)

Honestly, 20, top 4 first week off. Seeds 1-10 are the 10 conference champions. Weeks 1-2 are at campus venues then the quarterfinals onwards are at neutral venues.
I feel the current setup is a HUGE recruiting bonus to the biggest schools, the Ohio States, the Alabamas, the Clemsons, the Oklahomas etc. Even those in the same conference arnt really a threat. Its allowing the best schools to keep it between that. Id actually rather be a g5 school than in the situation of say a Kentucky. We can build a brand and recruit off that and then be competitive and have the tradition if you work your way up, like how Utah has done. But if youre in the conference without anything beyond affiliation helping you, youre ****ed. Opening it up will allow other schools to recruit. Why go to Alabama and sit on the bench for 2 years when you can go to Appalachian State, start now and be a shot at making the playoff and winning a title. But right now, you cant have that opportunity at Appalachian State, so you just go to Alabama

Opening up the playoff will break the monopoly the biggest schools have atm in recruiting, allowing everyone to catch up.

People go on about the gap between the p5 and g5 being bigger than ever. I actually disagree. I feel its closer than ever. What I do believe though is the top end schools are dominating their own conferences more.

Im just going to compare 2009 to 2019. Why those 2 years? Both had 3 unbeaten teams from BCS/P5 conferences.

Average winning margin
2009 Texas - 25.5
2009 Alabama - 20.7
2009 Cincinnati - 19.1
2019 Ohio State - 36.2
2019 Clemson - 35.9
2019 LSU - 26.6

That there shows the gap in each conference has widened.

What I didn't like about the BCS system was how they decided at large schools for the spots. I felt good teams were missing out based on name. I look at the 2011 season. Why did the #11 Virginia Tech and #13 Michigan side get selected for the Sugar Bowl (As at large as LSU and Alabama were in the BCS National Championship game) and #6 Arkansas* and #8 Kansas State were banished to the Cotton Bowl (Not a BCS Bowl at the time), #7 Boise State was sent to the Vegas Bowl to play a 6-6 Arizona State, a #9 South Carolina was sent to the Capital One Bowl to play Nebraska and the #12 Baylor side was sent to the Alamo Bowl to play the 7-5 Washington Huskies. That's bull****

*Though, I believe at the time there was a limit of 2 teams per conference in the BCS Bowls, so Arkansas and South Carolina were banned from being selected (Harsh on Arkansas who only lost to the #1 Tigers and #2 Crimson Tide)

But the Plus 1 system has made things worse in my honest opinion. The same teams are at the top of each conference now.

I just checked the conference champions for the 6 years of the CFP, and the 6 years before. Note, there was 1 year just before the CFP where Wisconsin won the BigTen, however, both Ohio State and Penn State had postseason bans that year. Rather than giving it to Wisconsin (8-6), I gave it to Ohio State (12-0), and years in which there was a tie (ie. Big XII 2014) I awarded it to whoever won the h2h matchup (Hence why I gave Michigan State the spot 1 year when the BigTen sent Wisconsin to the Rose Bowl virtue of higher ranking.)

6 years before CFP
ACC
2 - Virginia Tech, Florida State
1 - Clemson, Georgia Tech
BigTen
2 - Ohio State, Michigan State
1 - Penn State, Wisconsin
Big XII
2 - Oklahoma
1 - Texas, Oklahoma State, Kansas State, Baylor
Pac-12
3 - Oregon
2 - Stanford
1 - USC
SEC
2 - Alabama, Auburn
1 - Florida, LSU

6 years of CFP
ACC
5 - Clemson
1 - Florida State
BigTen
4 - Ohio State
1 - Michigan State, Penn State
Big XII
5 - Oklahoma
1 - Baylor
Pac-12
2 - Oregon, Washington
1 - Stanford, USC
SEC
4 - Alabama
1 - Georgia, LSU

With the exception of the Pac-12, every conference has become more monotonous than before. 1 team dominating. And I blame the Plus 1 system for that. Before schools were able to compete on recruiting with promises of conference championships and major bowls steeped in tradition. But by opening up the championships a little. The biggest of the big are getting better talent in by promising the playoff.

With teams like Ohio State/Alabama/Clemson/Oklahoma taking the next step, others haven't been able to follow. This disparity between these schools and the rest is what I feel is killing college football.

Back when discussion of the playoff was around in the old BCS model I was always against the plus1 system they went with. But this has been worse than even I anticipated.
I always knew the playoff would kill off the bowl system which I was all for as it would expediate the growth of the playoff which is what I believe is fairest for all.
But because theyre sitting at 4 because theyre seeing the few benefits there are. Theyre neglecting the state of the game. You can see it across the country, dwindling crowds, lower ratings. And I believe that's because people don't want to watch neutral games when you know theyre meaningless. These days, an 11-1 team (like say Ohio State 2018) would be disappointed in a Rose Bowl, because they were all so close to being in the playoff. Yet in yesteryear an 11-1 team (like say Michigan State 2013) would've been happy getting to the Rose Bowl.

Look at our own reaction to getting Washington in the Las Vegas Bowl. That's happening everywhere now. Teams set their goals and they fail and theres disappointment.

The plus 1 system has created the illusion of a fairer playing field but not actually delivering that as the have beens have taken advantage of this even more. They've separated themselves from the chasing pack.
As much as I believe theres more parity now and schools like Boise State and Houston and Appalachian State have closed the gap on the mid-tier p5 schools, the top tier have improved more.

Opening it up bigger will destroy the monopoly the biggest schools have.
But opening it up to all conferences I feel will return college football to the glory days.
Opening it up to 8 I think will be the most beneficial thing for p5 schools as it opens it up enough for the p5 schools to recruit better and eat into the advantage the big schools hold today. But itll disadvantage smaller (g5) schools. Even if you enter the proviso that the top g5 schools makes it. Itll just create the same situation in the g5 that the p5 have right now. An arms race between the best. The Boise States, the UCFs etc. As much as this will advantage us. I think itll take a perfect storm (like 2010-11) where we could compete with the absolute epitome of college football.
Its why I want all 10 conference champions (in either a 12, 16, 20 or 24 team model) In the playoffs. Spreads the talent out, and anyone can win. We'll neve see another 1984 BYU season under the current system. But by opening it up and giving schools a chance. You never know.

 

[drd23]

That might make sense from a sporting sense, but how would the NCAA fit all those extra games into the season while maintaining the facade of the "student-athlete"? Isn't a large reason for the gap between Championship Weekend and Bowl Season because the want to allow for "exam season"?

 

[Dirty Bird]

I just look at lower levels

FCS have their playoffs on Nov 30, Dec 7, Dec 13/14, Dec 21, Jan 11
Div 2 have their playoffs on Nov 23, Nov 30, Dec 7, with 2 more rounds to go
Div 3 have their playoffs on Nov 23, Nov 30, Dec 7, Dec 14, Dec 20

Those levels are more focused on the student, then the athlete as seen in fbs yet they still play at this time of year.

 

[aussiedude]

announcers up for all games

 

[AJ_2000]

Anyone tipping in ESPN Bowl Mania?

 

[aussiedude]

Division 3 championship the Stagg Bowl, Will be live Saturday at noon on ESPN2
Wisconsin-Whitewater Vs North Central [Illinois]

 

[aussiedude]

still no announcement on Megacast info yet. but Gameday and Championship drive schedules added

Also we are getting the Highschool Under Armor game in a few weeks on ESPN2.

 

[aussiedude]

Dirty Bird it looks like the MW have broken up with ESPN again and going with CBSSN and FS1 for their new tv deal starting July 1.

Also sounds like FS1 games on Wednesday or Thursdays. Conference champions game will move to FS1 or Fox

I wonder if they will be sent to die on FS2 for Saturday night games. Boise home games will stay on ESPN networks because of the deal they signed when they were going to join the big east before that fell apart.

Mountain West reportedly reaches deals with Fox and CBS Sports Network, which could almost triple their per-school revenue

The Mountain West schools could be in for a significant jump in per-school payouts if the reported terms of deals with Fox and CBSSN are accurate.

awfulannouncing.com

Report: Mountain West’s new TV deal is with CBS and Fox, not ESPN

The Mountain West’s on-again, off-again romance with ESPN appears to be off again.The conference’s new media rights contract will have Fox Sports in place of ESPN, according to a report…

www.sandiegouniontribune.com

 

[Dirty Bird]

Didn’t know it was gonna be cbs/Fox
I had heard about fox and both Boise State and Hawaii will have their own deals still though.

 

[aussiedude]

Didn’t know it was gonna be cbs/Fox
I had heard about fox and both Boise State and Hawaii will have their own deals still though.

The CBS part of the deal is the same. Just Fox now have the ESPN games. I dont expect much if any games in main channels so CBSSN and FS1 eillnair them. I like the idea of mid week games to avoid being pushed to FS2/FoxBusiness or real late starts on CBSSN

Also the news that Fox are looking at outbidding CBS for the 14 SEC games when the rights are up. Is big

 

[aussiedude]

Megacast for NY6 bowls are up. Not as many feeds as the Championship game has.

the Clemson/Ohio State Megacast has been removed for a NBA game. but the Oklahoma/LSU game still has one on ESPN2. but i dont know which feed it will be. Hope its Film Room or Skycast. but will likely be command Center.

 

[Dirty Bird]

Dang
We got the Washington that took it to Utah and Oregon

Shame
Should drive this team next year
But would’ve been great punctuating this season with a win

(Why am I talking like this, we looked worse vs Florida State)

 

[aussiedude]

Massive news that CBS have walked away from SEC negotiations. ESPN/ABC look to take over with a $300M PA deal for the 15 first option games. ESPN would then have all the football SEC rights.

CBS can still come back, but there was also talk Fox have looked into the rights. The current SEC on CBS game of the week rights dont end for another 3 seasons.