2019 ALL AUSTRALIAN TEAM

[Damon_3388]

Here's a trivia question: Who are the five youngest players to have made an AA side?

It came to mind looking at McCluggage from Brisbane.

Off the top of my head, Gavin Wanganeen, Ben Hart, Mark Ricciuto, Chad Wingard, Marcus Bontempelli, Chris Judd, Ben Cousins.

Any others in the mix?

Honestly don't think McCluggage is prolific enough to make it, as a mid or forward.

 

[Dav]

Boak was in earlier this year but dropped off.

Boak will 100% be in the side. He's still averaging 30+ touches a week and he's by far the best player in a team likely to play finals.

 

[Candiru]

Honestly don't think McCluggage is prolific enough to make it, as a mid or forward.

Jeremy Cameron is another who made it in his second year. Remarkable.

 

[gym4life]

Boak will 100% be in the side. He's still averaging 30+ touches a week and he's by far the best player in a team likely to play finals.

Lol, there’s no chance he’s 100%, 50/50 at best. Cripps, bont, Fyfe, Shuey, Kelly and possibly Neale have all had better seasons. He’s in the conversation though.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Honestly don't think McCluggage is prolific enough to make it, as a mid or forward.

If McLuggage doesn't make it this year, pencil him for next year's AA team for sure..

 

[Damon_3388]

Here's a trivia question: Who are the five youngest players to have made an AA side?

It came to mind looking at McCluggage from Brisbane.

Off the top of my head, Gavin Wanganeen, Ben Hart, Mark Ricciuto, Chad Wingard, Marcus Bontempelli, Chris Judd, Ben Cousins.

Any others in the mix?

Jeremy Cameron is another who made it in his second year. Remarkable.

U/21 All-Australians (ordered by youngest to eldest)

Ben Hart (born 09/07/1974) - 1992, 1993

Gavin Wanganeen (born 18/06/1973) - 1992, 1993
Mark Ricciuto (born 08/06/1975) - 1994

Chad Wingard (born 29/07/1993) - 2013
Ben Cousins (born 30/06/1978) - 1998, 1999
Matthew Lloyd (born 16/04/1978) - 1998, 1999
Jeremy Cameron (born 01/04/1993) - 2013
Michael O'Loughlin (born 20/02/1977) - 1997
David Neitz (born 22/01/1975) - 1995

Matthew Pavlich (born 31/12/1981) - 2002
Marcus Bontempelli (born 24/11/1995) - 2016
Austinn Jones (born 28/09/1976) - 1997
Chris Judd (born 08/09/1983) - 2004
Lance Whitnall (23/08/1979) - 2000
Robert Harvey (born 21/08/1971) - 1992
Clayton Oliver (born 22/07/1997) - 2018
Joel Selwood (born 26/05/1988) - 2009
Luke Ball (born 25/05/1984) - 2005
Jake Stringer (born 25/04/1994) - 2015
Glen Jakovich (born 23/03/1973) - 1994
Adam Heuskes (born 20/03/1976) - 1997
Matthew Richardson (born 19/03/1975) - 1996
Fraser Gehrig (born 03/03/1976) - 1997
Nick Dal Santo (born 25/02/1984) - 2005
Lance Franklin (born 30/01/1987) - 2008
Brad Ottens (born 25/01/1980) - 2001

Note that it has become a lot less common post-2000, when the game has become harder, faster, more professional, and more dictated by physical composition and endurance.

There's been a fair number of 22- and 23-year old All-Australians too. That's probably around the time (usually 4th-5th year) when players begin to really kick on and start moving towards their prime.

 

[Candiru]

U/21 All-Australians (ordered by youngest to eldest)

Ben Hart (born 09/07/1974) - 1992, 1993

Mark Ricciuto (born 08/06/1975) - 1994
Gavin Wanganeen (born 18/06/1973) - 1992, 1993

Chad Wingard (born 29/07/1993) - 2013
Ben Cousins (born 30/06/1978) - 1998, 1999
Matthew Lloyd (born 16/04/1978) - 1998, 1999
Jeremy Cameron (born 01/04/1993) - 2013
Michael O'Loughlin (born 20/02/1977) - 1997
David Neitz (born 22/01/1975) - 1995

Matthew Pavlich (born 31/12/1981) - 2002
Marcus Bontempelli (born 24/11/1995) - 2016
Austinn Jones (born 28/09/1976) - 1997
Lance Whitnall (23/08/1979) - 2000
Robert Harvey (born 21/08/1971) - 1992
Clayton Oliver (born 22/07/1997) - 2018
Joel Selwood (born 26/05/1988) - 2009
Luke Ball (born 25/05/1984) - 2005
Jake Stringer (born 25/04/1994) - 2015
Glen Jakovich (born 23/03/1973) - 1994
Adam Heuskes (born 20/03/1976) - 1997
Matthew Richardson (born 19/03/1975) - 1996
Fraser Gehrig (born 03/03/1976) - 1997
Nick Dal Santo (born 25/02/1984) - 2005
Lance Franklin (born 30/01/1987) - 2008
Brad Ottens (born 25/01/1980) - 2001

Note that it has become a lot less common post-2000, when the game has become harder, faster, more professional, and more dictated by physical composition and endurance.

There's been a fair number of 22- and 23-year old All-Australians too. That's probably around the time (usually 4th-5th year) when players begin to really kick on and start moving towards their prime.

Ben Hart twice as a teenager. Hard to imagine that being topped.

What about Judd in 2004?

 

[Damon_3388]

Nic Newman a sneaky chance for a half back spot? Has been a consistently high-quality performer all year.

19 games
16 games of 18+ disposals
21.63 disposals per game (27.45% contested, 3.19 kick-to-handball ratio, 73.48% kicking efficiency, 76.16% disposal efficiency, 19.46% turnover rate)
7.05 marks per game
3.21 tackles per game
6.42 rebound 50s per game
6.53 intercept possessions per game
2.63 one percenters per game
467.89 metres gained per game
97.32 Champion Data Player Ranking Score average

Very talented footballer, whose kicking is elite (when you factor in how often he kicks and the distance and directness he goes with). Why did the Swans get rid of him, again?

 

[Damon_3388]

Ben Hart twice as a teenager. Hard to imagine that being topped.

He would still be an U/18s player these days if he was the age he was in 1992.

Hart and Wanganeen (two AAs, a Brownlow, a SANFL and AFL premiership by age 20) are right among the best 'young' footballers of the past 25-30 years.

What about Judd in 2004?

Yeah, somehow missed him. He's another one.

 

[Beer n Skittles]

Nic Newman a sneaky chance for a half back spot? Has been consistently quality all year.

19 games
16 games of 18+ disposals
21.63 disposals per game (27.45% contested, 3.19 kick-to-handball ratio, 76.16% disposal efficiency, 19.46% turnover rate)
7.05 marks per game
3.21 tackles per game
6.42 rebound 50s per game
6.53 intercept possessions per game
2.63 one percenters per game
467.89 metres gained per game
97.32 Champion Data Player Ranking Score average

Very talented footballer, whose kicking is elite (when you factor in how often he kicks and the distance he goes with). Why did the Swans get rid of him, again?

Not strong enough defensively for mine (to make the AA team I mean), although that's not necessarily given much weight by the selectors.

 

[iBeng]

Honestly don't think McCluggage is prolific enough to make it, as a mid or forward.

27 touches today (21 kicks) and a goal, went at 55% though. Usually runs higher on percentage, but he is very prolific.

Also, Charlie Cameron is a 100% lock easily now.

 

[Damon_3388]

Not strong enough defensively for mine (to make the AA team I mean), although that's not necessarily given much weight by the selectors.

His intercept, tackle and one percenter numbers would say otherwise, when compared to other half backs and small defenders.

 

[Damon_3388]

27 touches today (21 kicks) and a goal, went at 55% though. Usually runs higher on percentage, but he is very prolific.

Averaging 22.35 disposals (38.53% contested, 1.63 kick-to-handball ratio, 66.89% efficiency), 4.25 inside 50s and 1.05 goals per game.

Obviously very good for his age, and a very good player full stop, but again, not really prolific enough as a mid or a forward, and disposal is a bit iffy too.

 

[pulpdriver]

Locks for the 22: Andrews, C.Cameron, Neale
Squad at least: Zorko, McCluggage, Rich

 

[iBeng]

Hell I reckon Lyons could sneak into the Squad, his last month has been insane.

 

[pulpdriver]

Hell I reckon Lyons could sneak into the Squad, his last month has been insane.

Been absolutely superb since the bye but there's some heavy competition in the midfield.

 

[iBeng]

Been absolutely superb since the bye but there's some heavy competition in the midfield.

Theres been some weird calls over the decades, never say never!

 

[RAPPA]

27 touches today (21 kicks) and a goal, went at 55% though. Usually runs higher on percentage, but he is very prolific.

Also, Charlie Cameron is a 100% lock easily now.

Problem is that the team was already made before today’s game. He’s in red hot form. Don’t understand why the selectors don’t wait to see the full season before judging the team of 40.

 

[iBeng]

Problem is that the team was already made before today’s game. He’s in red hot form. Don’t understand why the selectors don’t wait to see the full season before judging the team of 40.

Its the same problem they used to have with the Norm Smith, voting for it at 3/4 time. Shouldnt be making calls at 3/4 of a season.

 

[Toffee Lion]

Averaging 22.35 disposals (38.53% contested, 1.63 kick-to-handball ratio, 66.89% efficiency), 4.25 inside 50s and 1.05 goals per game.

Obviously very good for his age, and a very good player full stop, but again, not really prolific enough as a mid or a forward, and disposal is a bit iffy too.

Yeah I agree, it’s a matter of when not if for someone like Hugh, he is young enough that missing out now isn’t a big deal and isn’t the most deserved. Could sneak top 40 but that’s it.

Andrews, Cameron, Neale all 100% locks now from us. Rich is 50/50 but 100% for the extended squad.

 

[Engimal v3]

Here's a trivia question: Who are the five youngest players to have made an AA side?

It came to mind looking at McCluggage from Brisbane.

Off the top of my head, Gavin Wanganeen, Ben Hart, Mark Ricciuto, Chad Wingard, Marcus Bontempelli, Chris Judd, Ben Cousins.

Any others in the mix?

I remember that Wingard was the first under 20 player to make it since 94, and he was 19.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Problem is that the team was already made before today’s game. He’s in red hot form. Don’t understand why the selectors don’t wait to see the full season before judging the team of 40.

They don’t finalise the squad to after the regular season. They meet 3? Times during the year to discuss players, to try and avoid recency bias.

Having said that will look very silly if pick a stack of cats and they end up not finishing top 2

 

[nuey]

Nic Newman a sneaky chance for a half back spot? Has been consistently quality all year.

Been a great recruit for us but not squad worthy.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Averaging 22.35 disposals (38.53% contested, 1.63 kick-to-handball ratio, 66.89% efficiency), 4.25 inside 50s and 1.05 goals per game.

Obviously very good for his age, and a very good player full stop, but again, not really prolific enough as a mid or a forward, and disposal is a bit iffy too.

Strong case for best wingman in the league this season. Shame that “midfielder” is treated as a singular position in the All Australian team rather than thinking about type/balance of mids.

 

[Acinath]

Rance still a lock surely.