Analysis 2019 List, Game Plan and Best 22?

[caesar88]

Possibly. But for all his faults he would still leave a hole in our midfield that we just don’t currently have the capacity to fill to the same level across four quarters.

Having him forward with smaller midfield minutes would be a blessing but we just don’t have the capacity for that just yet.

IMO though we're getting nowhere with Parker in our midfield because we're asking him to do a role he simply can't do, which is be that four-quarter beast. I'd honestly rather we just throw Hewett or Heeney off the deep end and say righto boys, your turn.

Edit: it wouldn't even be throwing them off the deep end, they've had their "apprenticeships" and now they should be wrapping them up and moving onto bigger and better things.

 

[TheMase]

IMO though we're getting nowhere with Parker in our midfield because we're asking him to do a role he simply can't do, which is be that four-quarter beast. I'd honestly rather we just throw Hewett or Heeney off the deep end and say righto boys, your turn.

Edit: it wouldn't even be throwing them off the deep end, they've had their "apprenticeships" and now they should be wrapping them up and moving onto bigger and better things.

Difficult one for the coaches. You can see why they have kept playing Hewett as the tagger, is just too damn good at it! One of the best in the business.

He took Simpson on the weekend and kept him to 12 disposals (ave 26 in 2018).

Against Adelaide he took Laird who had 21 disposals (ave 32 in 2018).

(Can’t recall who he took against the Dogs)

 

[caesar88]

Difficult one for the coaches. You can see why they have kept playing Hewett as the tagger, is just too damn good at it! One of the best in the business.

He took Simpson on the weekend and kept him to 12 disposals (ave 26 in 2018).

Against Adelaide he took Laird who had 21 disposals (ave 32 in 2018).

(Can’t recall who he took against the Dogs)

But how did our midfield do in all of those matches ? Wouldn't say we dominated, because we were short of blokes who could crack in and get their hands on it. We had JPK and then Parker for about a quarter and a half in each match. I see Hewett as more than capable, big bodied, tough as nails but unlike Parker has a bit of composure in tight, where as Parker is a bit of a see-ball-kick-ball even if it makes absolutely zero sense to do so.

Our midfield is too defensive and we go into each match preparing to win the ball by defending instead of making it easier for ourselves by just winning it outright.

 

[TheMase]

But how did our midfield do in all of those matches ? Wouldn't say we dominated, because we were short of blokes who could crack in and get their hands on it. We had JPK and then Parker for about a quarter and a half in each match. I see Hewett as more than capable, big bodied, tough as nails but unlike Parker has a bit of composure in tight, where as Parker is a bit of a see-ball-kick-ball even if it makes absolutely zero sense to do so.

Our midfield is too defensive and we go into each match preparing to win the ball by defending instead of making it easier for ourselves by just winning it outright.

I see Hewett as more than capable too. I liked his highlights prior to us drafting him and I was stoked when we called his name out.

Just saying that I can understand why the coaches have left him playing that role at this stage.

 

[Kirkswan]

Parker is equal 13th in the AFL for clearances in the first three rounds (20). He could get more of the ball but it’s not the end of the world.

Kennedy is 7th (24).

So with 18 teams, we've got two in the top 20... not bad at all, really.

 

[caesar88]

I see Hewett as more than capable too. I liked his highlights prior to us drafting him and I was stoked when we called his name out.

Just saying that I can understand why the coaches have left him playing that role at this stage.

I can understand it too, but not if it carries on for much longer. Our midfield is pretty weak atm, and we have some very obvious solutions just staring Horse in the face and he is looking elsewhere (Papley?)

 

[TheMase]

I can understand it too, but not if it carries on for much longer. Our midfield is pretty weak atm, and we have some very obvious solutions just staring Horse in the face and he is looking elsewhere (Papley?)

To be fair in terms of pace he is one paced line Kennedy and Parker. Papley has been really good and has a bit of toe especially the first 5-10 metres and therefore gives us something different entirely than Kennedy, Parker or Hewett (it may also be the thing keeping Mills midfield time at bay). Jones much the same in that regard, has a bit of breakaway pace.

I’ve been a fan of Papleys midfield minutes even last year and especially early this year so I can’t argue against his inclusion at all.

 

[caesar88]

To be fair in terms of pace he is one paced line Kennedy and Parker. Papley has been really good and has a bit of toe especially the first 5-10 metres and therefore gives us something different entirely than Kennedy, Parker or Hewett. Jones much the same in that regard (it may also be the thing keeping Mills midfield time at bay).

I’ve been a fan of Papleys midfield minutes even last year and especially early this year so I can’t argue against his inclusion at all.

When the going gets tough though (which it definitely will against midfielders stronger than Carlton's) we will need a bull who can win his own footy a lot more than a short player with pace whose attempts to burst out of the middle will probably work one in five or six times. Papley will get pulverised by most mids, as he did against the Crows, whereas at least Hewett is strong enough to be able to clear it out to a Jones or a Florent through his own work winning the footy.

 

[TheMase]

When the going gets tough though (which it definitely will against midfielders stronger than Carlton's) we will need a bull who can win his own footy a lot more than a short player with pace whose attempts to burst out of the middle will probably work one in five or six times. Papley will get pulverised by most mids, as he did against the Crows, whereas at least Hewett is strong enough to be able to clear it out to a Jones or a Florent through his own work winning the footy.

Papley had 8 clearances against the Crows...his kicking let him down but not sure I would call that getting pulverised!

 

[caesar88]

Papley had 8 clearances against the Crows...his kicking let him down but not sure I would call that getting pulverised!

I didn't rate any of them, I thought he was rushed and looked panicked and out of his element. Doesn't look a midfielder to me at all, and even if by some chance he managed to convince me otherwise, I'd still believe Hewett and Heeney were wasted not being the first two getting their hands to it behind Kennedy.

 

[Punts]

Papley looked much better on the weekend imo in the front half

Didn’t spend much in the centre from memory

 

[GotTheGoodes]

Jeez I hope vonn doesn't hear all this Parker bashing...

 

[caesar88]

Papley looked much better on the weekend imo in the front half

Didn’t spend much in the centre from memory

I think he's best starting as a half forward and floating up to get it on the outside using his pace. I think out of the centre bounce he's not much chop.

 

[TheMase]

I didn't rate any of them, I thought he was rushed and looked panicked and out of his element. Doesn't look a midfielder to me at all, and even if by some chance he managed to convince me otherwise, I'd still believe Hewett and Heeney were wasted not being the first two getting their hands to it behind Kennedy.

I think he's best starting as a half forward and floating up to get it on the outside using his pace. I think out of the centre bounce he's not much chop.

5 of his 8 clearances were centre clearances. I will also give him more time as a midfielder as he has only just started playing there and for me the early signs are good.

Saying that I don’t want him as a permanent mid, more a burst here and there.

 

[RUNVS]

Jeez I hope vonn doesn't hear all this Parker bashing...

Does Vonn come on here anymore?

 

[SwansProudly]

Difficult one for the coaches. You can see why they have kept playing Hewett as the tagger, is just too damn good at it! One of the best in the business.

He took Simpson on the weekend and kept him to 12 disposals (ave 26 in 2018).

Against Adelaide he took Laird who had 21 disposals (ave 32 in 2018).

(Can’t recall who he took against the Dogs)

Same logic applies to having Mills in defence - he is good at - from Saturday's game running back with the flight of the ball into a pack to take a mark.

 

[scaryness]

14 teams FAILED to score 100 points this round.

The 6 6 6 is really delivering on opening the game up & helping teams to score more freely.

Congratulations to the AFL & SHocking on the changes.

At least they're trying.

I bet it was hard to predict that the majority of these highly paid professional athletes can't kick or hit basic targets.
The skill standard that the players have at AFL level is very low for a fully professional sport.

Clangers are at all time high and scoring is as low at it has been in a long long time.

 

[caesar88]

At least they're trying.

I bet it was hard to predict that the majority of these highly paid professional athletes can't kick or hit basic targets.
The skill standard that the players have at AFL level is very low for a fully professional sport.

Clangers are at all time high and scoring is as low at it has been in a long long time.

When half of pre-season training was spent just learning the new rules, and half your H&A training is spent adapting to umpiring interpretations, is it any wonder skills are probably being neglected at training?

 

[scaryness]

When half of pre-season training was spent just learning the new rules, and half your H&A training is spent adapting to umpiring interpretations, is it any wonder skills are probably being neglected at training?

It's not just this year, it's been trending downwards for a few seasons.

The record for most clangers in a season was set in 2015 and has been broken every year consecutively since. There was also 566 less scoring shots in 2018 compared to 2017.

Look at the list of most clangers in matches, all but one of them are from the last 3 years.

 

[Tedeski]

At least they're trying.

I bet it was hard to predict that the majority of these highly paid professional athletes can't kick or hit basic targets.
The skill standard that the players have at AFL level is very low for a fully professional sport.

Clangers are at all time high and scoring is as low at it has been in a long long time.

It's what the AFL wanted.
Fatigued players.
First reduce the interchange, create more injuries to players, teams then need to go deeper into their lists, lesser players get senior AFL games thus reducing the quality of football. Should a team get their best players on the park at the right time & for long enough then the football they play is better quality. More players are covering more ground in the last few years than ever before.

FATIGUED players..............just how they wanted it. Unfortunately (for them) we've got less scoring.
Your table backs it up, make no mistake.

 

[Donza]

I don't mind mid range scores.
I do like the ability of teams to take games deeper in the 666.

 

[Tedeski]

I don't mind mid range scores.
I do like the ability of teams to take games deeper in the 666.

Teams/coaches are still congesting the game. I went to the Hawk & North game the other day & the only way the Hawks got back into the game was by having huge numbers around the contest & then spreading. Early days it was too open for them & North had them beaten.
So the master coach Clarko just cluttered the game up for North & it worked but it's Clarko so all's ok with the game. The 6 6 6 is only once a goal is scored. Well there are less goals being scored so all it does is make players run harder to get into a position that they are familier with once the ball has been bounced. At any other stoppage you have huge numbers around the ball & flooding is still a thing but it's just not called flooding when the Hawks do it because that is derogatory to Clarko.

Scoring is down & the game is no better looking than it was before the interchange was reduced.

 

[mikey_san]

Teams/coaches are still congesting the game. I went to the Hawk & North game the other day & the only way the Hawks got back into the game was by having huge numbers around the contest & then spreading. Early days it was too open for them & North had them beaten.
So the master coach Clarko just cluttered the game up for North & it worked but it's Clarko so all's ok with the game. The 6 6 6 is only once a goal is scored. Well there are less goals being scored so all it does is make players run harder to get into a position that they are familier with once the ball has been bounced. At any other stoppage you have huge numbers around the ball & flooding is still a thing but it's just not called flooding when the Hawks do it because that is derogatory to Clarko.

Scoring is down & the game is no better looking than it was before the interchange was reduced.

What do you think of zones?
I wouldn't mind seeing 4 inside the attacking half at all times - 1 of which has to be inside 50 - Haven't looked into how zones would work, but give a running player 10 seconds to make it back in there if forced to carry the ball out maybe.

Guys need to be running a lot less and using footy skills a bit more IMO.
Pretty hard to match up on this one-on-one I reckon. Of course it'd be even (a lot) better if Buddy could mark the footy. Just have Dawson on half back roosting it up there.

-------------Reid--------------

Papley------Buddy--------Hayward

 

[Tedeski]

What do you think of zones?
I wouldn't mind seeing 4 inside the attacking half at all times - 1 of which has to be inside 50 - Haven't looked into how zones would work, but give a running player 10 seconds to make it back in there if forced to carry the ball out maybe.

Guys need to be running a lot less and using footy skills a bit more IMO.
Pretty hard to match up on this one-on-one I reckon. Of course it'd be even (a lot) better if Buddy could mark the footy. Just have Dawson on half back roosting it up there.

-------------Reid--------------

Papley------Buddy--------Hayward

Zones would be interesting though I am all for letting the game evolve naturally.
The AFL had their chance to introduce such rules but didn't have the balls but for some reason they don't mind tinkering with a rule every year.

Introducing zones would give us a different looking game altogether.
I'm happy to leave it alone for a few years now. If anything, last touch out of bounds goes to the opposition like OOF does. It gets rid of decision making (guessing) for the field umpire & leaves us with less boundary throw ins which are often inept, as a few were against the Blues the other day dropping well short, one resulting in a goal to Carlton.

Buddy won't win in the air one on one anymore because he doesn't get any favours from the umps.

 

[The King!]

Zones would be interesting though I am all for letting the game evolve naturally.
The AFL had their chance to introduce such rules but didn't have the balls but for some reason they don't mind tinkering with a rule every year.

Introducing zones would give us a different looking game altogether.
I'm happy to leave it alone for a few years now. If anything, last touch out of bounds goes to the opposition like OOF does. It gets rid of decision making (guessing) for the field umpire & leaves us with less boundary throw ins which are often inept, as a few were against the Blues the other day dropping well short, one resulting in a goal to Carlton.

Buddy won't win in the air one on one anymore because he doesn't get any favours from the umps.

This, just leave the game alone, all the rule changes upon rule changes to fix rule changes are what causes issues