Analysis 2019 List, Game Plan and Best 22?

[Grand Uncle Horace]

I think the young players on our list possess higher skill levels than our veterans (as ever Buddy is excluded). Our list, bar maybe Newman, is stronger this year than last year.

Sadly they are not playing in an environment that appears conducive to their development.

While not a youngster I thought 2A was our best player last night. I expect he will feature in the coach's votes. Yet I thought his game was not as influential as some he played earlier in his career.

Longmire has put him through the Skinner Box of behavioural modification. 2A is a very good player, 'encouraged' to be a good soldier. He is not encouraged to be a point of difference.

 

[swansfan51]

The list is about as ordinary as you can get.

I disagree, the list is fine.

Lance Franklin (8x All Australian, 4x Coleman)
Josh Kennedy (3x All Australian, 3x Best and Fairest)
Luke Parker (All Australian, 2x Best and Fairest)
Jarrad McVeigh (All Australian, 2x Best and Fairest)
Kieren Jack (All Australian, Best and Fairest)
Nick Smith (All Australian)
Dane Rampe (All Australian)
Isaac Heeney (Young Player of the Year, Best First Year Player)
Callum Mills (Rising Star, Best First Year Player)
Jack Lloyd (Best and Fairest, All Australian squad)
Jarrad Waite (Premiership player)
Heath Grundy (Premiership player)
Nick Blakey (Hunter Harrison medalist, top 10 pick)
Ollie Florent (1st round pick)
Zak Jones (1st round pick)
Will Hayward (1st round pick)
Aliir Aliir
Tom Papley
Harry Cunningham
Callum Sinclair
George Hewett

Plenty of quality to work with, if we're good enough to use it

 

[Tedeski]

That’s an issue of course but last year we had betters offers out there and still couldn’t land Moore , Langdon or Berg instead we get Clarke who isn’t AFL standard and will get delisted in 2 years

Based on last night you may be right with Clark but you need to give a bloke a chance to learn & redeem himself.
He needs continual games of dominance in the twos, just to get his mojo according to his strengths which are to get the ball & run two ways. We certainly didn't see him getting much of the ball. As far as his quality of disposal is concerned, well that is not good but JPK has always had terrible disposal, but his ball winning ability is enormous, so we just need Clark to become that in & under ball winning machine that JPK has been.
Time will tell though.
Interested in watching Rowbottom today as I think he could be the next gun through our midfield. Also McInerny to add some flair & excitement going forward. A couple of young cool heads. Even if we lose every game these boys may just give some spark.

 

[Punts]

I disagree, the list is fine.

Lance Franklin (8x All Australian, 4x Coleman)
Josh Kennedy (3x All Australian, 3x Best and Fairest)
Luke Parker (All Australian, 2x Best and Fairest)
Jarrad McVeigh (All Australian, 2x Best and Fairest)
Kieren Jack (All Australian, Best and Fairest)
Nick Smith (All Australian)
Dane Rampe (All Australian)
Isaac Heeney (Young Player of the Year, Best First Year Player)
Callum Mills (Rising Star, Best First Year Player)
Jack Lloyd (Best and Fairest, All Australian squad)
Jarrad Waite (Premiership player)
Heath Grundy (Premiership player)
Nick Blakey (Hunter Harrison medalist, top 10 pick)
Ollie Florent (1st round pick)
Zak Jones (1st round pick)
Will Hayward (1st round pick)
Aliir Aliir
Tom Papley
Harry Cunningham
Callum Sinclair
George Hewett

Plenty of quality to work with, if we're good enough to use it

5 blokes on that list are finished and where was Waite last night

 

[melbournehammer]

I think the young players on our list possess higher skill levels than our veterans (as ever Buddy is excluded). Our list, bar maybe Newman, is stronger this year than last year.

Sadly they are not playing in an environment that appears conducive to their development.

While not a youngster I thought 2A was our best player last night. I expect he will feature in the coach's votes. Yet I thought his game was not as influential as some he played earlier in his career.

Longmire has put him through the Skinner Box of behavioural modification. 2A is a very good player, 'encouraged' to be a good soldier. He is not encouraged to be a point of difference.

I remain unconvinced on this. I wouldn't have dropped allir (you can see all my previous posts on this) because he was genuinely our only player who took the game on out of defence and in a team which featured laidler, grundy and smith as defenders we needed to get the ball out of our defensive fifty somehow. But there were plenty of people on this site who were of the view that he played extremely loose as a kpp and wanted him retrained.

I think if we can get the best of both worlds it would have been worth it to retrain him. I tend to think he still tries to run the ball out of defence but he does appear to be playing much tighter than in the past.

 

[melbournehammer]

I disagree, the list is fine.

Lance Franklin (8x All Australian, 4x Coleman)
Josh Kennedy (3x All Australian, 3x Best and Fairest)
Luke Parker (All Australian, 2x Best and Fairest)
Jarrad McVeigh (All Australian, 2x Best and Fairest)
Kieren Jack (All Australian, Best and Fairest)
Nick Smith (All Australian)
Dane Rampe (All Australian)
Isaac Heeney (Young Player of the Year, Best First Year Player)
Callum Mills (Rising Star, Best First Year Player)
Jack Lloyd (Best and Fairest, All Australian squad)
Jarrad Waite (Premiership player)
Heath Grundy (Premiership player)
Nick Blakey (Hunter Harrison medalist, top 10 pick)
Ollie Florent (1st round pick)
Zak Jones (1st round pick)
Will Hayward (1st round pick)
Aliir Aliir
Tom Papley
Harry Cunningham
Callum Sinclair
George Hewett

Plenty of quality to work with, if we're good enough to use it

A better way of looking at this is how many of those players are As Bs and Cs as of now not 2013.

I think 1 A a smattering of Bs and some foot soldier Cs as at this time.

 

[Kirkswan]

Jarrad Waite (Premiership player)

Who???

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

A better way of looking at this is how many of those players are As Bs and Cs as of now not 2013.

I think 1 A a smattering of Bs and some foot soldier Cs as at this time.

Good way of thinking about it, however under the current regime those I would class as As and Bs are required to play as C's.

 

[swansfan51]

Who???

Mid-190cm key position player, father used to play AFL, regularly injured, regarded as having massive potential even into his late 20s (not usually matched by actual output), plays as a forward but thrown back occasionally.

Sometimes referred to as Sam Reid

 

[Kirkswan]

Mid-190cm key position player, father used to play AFL, regularly injured, regarded as having massive potential even into his late 20s (not usually matched by actual output), plays as a forward but thrown back occasionally.

Sometimes referred to as Sam Reid

Lol!

 

[Tedeski]

I disagree, the list is fine.

Lance Franklin (8x All Australian, 4x Coleman)
Josh Kennedy (3x All Australian, 3x Best and Fairest)
Luke Parker (All Australian, 2x Best and Fairest)
Jarrad McVeigh (All Australian, 2x Best and Fairest)
Kieren Jack (All Australian, Best and Fairest)
Nick Smith (All Australian)
Dane Rampe (All Australian)
Isaac Heeney (Young Player of the Year, Best First Year Player)
Callum Mills (Rising Star, Best First Year Player)
Jack Lloyd (Best and Fairest, All Australian squad)
Jarrad Waite (Premiership player)
Heath Grundy (Premiership player)
Nick Blakey (Hunter Harrison medalist, top 10 pick)
Ollie Florent (1st round pick)
Zak Jones (1st round pick)
Will Hayward (1st round pick)
Aliir Aliir
Tom Papley
Harry Cunningham
Callum Sinclair
George Hewett

Plenty of quality to work with, if we're good enough to use it

I'm surprised you missed this important statistic I've highlighted for you.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2019/03/30/not-panic-stations-for-the-swans-says-longmire/
Asked if he expected Sydney to slide in 2019, Longmire was very matter of fact.

"We didn’t plan to take a backward step, we still don’t," he said.

"We're only two games in.

"We're re-calibrating all the time.

"Over the last three years, our debutants have played 80 more games than any other team in the competition… we've played a significant amount of young players in key roles over that period of time.

"We're going through that phase; we're not handing those games to players, we're making sure those players are playing key roles for us.

"While they're coming through, it will have its up and downs.

"Call it re-calibrate or whatever you like, but at the same time, we're still trying to be competitive every week.

"That process has been going and it will be ongoing."


Who are the three teams that come after us for games into debutants?
Serious question. Just curious.

 

[TheMase]

It was super deflating seeing guys like Mills, Florent and Heeney just trying to involve themselves last night but not knowing how or when to do so. Three of our most confident, even arrogant youngsters. Then you have guys like Papley and Jones constantly having to bite off more than they can chew just to try and create a spark for the team. Finally you have Hayward, Blakey etc looking absolutely lost at sea in our dysfunctional forward line. I know it will all take time for change to come together but imagine the damage a whole year of this could do to our youngsters.

Are they lost at sea because the forward line is dysfunctional or is the forward line dysfunctional because they are lost at sea?

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

Are they lost at sea because the forward line is dysfunctional or is the forward line dysfunctional because they are lost at sea?

The iceberg is the absence of quality delivery going forward. The sinking ship forward line is void of structural integrity.

 

[Aardvark]

An article in the Hun this week said last year we had less inside 50's than any other finalist since 2001. I reckon that tells us that our forward line make the most of limited opportunities and our midfield needs work.

 

[Tedeski]

14 teams FAILED to score 100 points this round.

The 6 6 6 is really delivering on opening the game up & helping teams to score more freely.

Congratulations to the AFL & SHocking on the changes.

 

[momentbymoment]

I have to say the negativity on here is as boring as bat chit.

Personally I saw a bit in the ones and a lot in the reserves to like. The Swans look like they are trying to build a more dynamic game plan and the reserves mixed that with a traditional high pressure game as well.

The question is - will we lose our nerve when we lose a few quarters (like last year) or will we stick to the plan and trust that the results will come?

 

[RUNVS]

To be honest I am getting a bit annoyed by Parker. His last quarter against Adelaide was elite, him having a genuine influence on the game. That was only 1 quarter though, and for the other 11 quarters this year he has been nothing more than average. He is there, and no one can say he is hurting the team, but he isn't helping the team win either. We know how good his best is, but we don't see that anywhere near as much as we should and it isn't good enough for a man his age, as he is in his prime, he should be consistently close to his best, not only bring out his best once a blue moon.

 

[melbournehammer]

To be honest I am getting a bit annoyed by Parker. His last quarter against Adelaide was elite, him having a genuine influence on the game. That was only 1 quarter though, and for the other 11 quarters this year he has been nothing more than average. He is there, and no one can say he is hurting the team, but he isn't helping the team win either. ....

I think it might have been the dogs game actually

 

[RUNVS]

I think it might have been the dogs game actually

Now that you mention it it could have been. Either way, it is still only 1 quarter out of 12.

 

[caesar88]

To be honest I am getting a bit annoyed by Parker. His last quarter against Adelaide was elite, him having a genuine influence on the game. That was only 1 quarter though, and for the other 11 quarters this year he has been nothing more than average. He is there, and no one can say he is hurting the team, but he isn't helping the team win either. We know how good his best is, but we don't see that anywhere near as much as we should and it isn't good enough for a man his age, as he is in his prime, he should be consistently close to his best, not only bring out his best once a blue moon.

Agree, I love him but i’ve almost got used to being disappointed by his performances since 2016.

 

[sataris]

To be fair,

The midfield at the moment is only Parker and Kennedy.

 

[RUNVS]

To be fair,

The midfield at the moment is only Parker and Kennedy.

I am not sure you can count Parker. I mean in reality is he anymore effective in the midfield than 2 or 3 other players not including Kennedy? We act like Parker is our second best midfielder but I would argue he isn't, or if he is, then that is a very sad state for our midfield as no opposing team goes into a game against the Swans worried about stopping Parker.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

14 teams FAILED to score 100 points this round.

The 6 6 6 is really delivering on opening the game up & helping teams to score more freely.

Congratulations to the AFL & SHocking on the changes.

Dont worry commentators are making sure to praise 6 6 6 on every opportunity they can, AFL is obsessed with scoring so they can increase advertising revenue.

 

[caesar88]

14 teams FAILED to score 100 points this round.

The 6 6 6 is really delivering on opening the game up & helping teams to score more freely.

Congratulations to the AFL & SHocking on the changes.

The AFL are going to manufacture big scores by simply giving frees inside 50 that don’t exist.

 

[mikey_san]

The AFL are going to manufacture big scores by simply giving frees inside 50 that don’t exist.

Not to us they won't.