MRP / Trib. 2019 MRP Chook Lotto - Carlton Tribunal News & Reports

[Robert Heatley]

I really think you need to watch it again. There was not a slinging motion.

I don’t think it was a sling, but it was aggressive and deserves a week.

As a general observation, the player with the ball is being given plenty of time and opportunity to get rid of it which hasn’t helped us at all, as we don’t seem to be able to 100% nail our tackles.

 

[NewDarkNavyBlues]

What a joke Michael Christian is... He deemed it a sling motion... how on earth did you come to that conclusion without drinking ten cans of red bull?

 

[AB_Blue]

2 weeks is way overs

1 week seems excessive but plausible
A fine probably the right outcome.....


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[slashin_velvet]

Nic Nat's tackle on Amon rings true here - what many of us see as a natural football tackle, some think is too aggressive and something worthy of penalty.

Appreciate the need to protect the head...not sure its a two week ban myself

 

[Colonel_Klink]

I'm not going to get into an argument about Setters' tackle, I think the primary injustice is that Dangerfield has received a far lower penalty for not just striking but striking above the shoulders.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

The penalty was absolute bullshizen, but maybe best if the club publicly express their view of the decision and accept it.

Setters was probably due for a spell anyway, so it will give Russell the opportunity to get another block of specific training into him to set him up for the remainder of the season. Also gives us an opportunity for us to bring in Lang/JSOS/Stocker for some game time as well.

Just looking for a positive out of all this. We've had enough crap piled us over the past month.

 

[Blue and Blue]

I am seeing it this way.
I think Setters needs a break anyway. He did nothing wrong but the benefit is we have brought in a very hard tackler that will just get better at it and at all parts of his game.

 

[footyfan1978]

Yep and Dangerfield not.
Luke McDonald is not either....

Dustin Martin can run from 20 metres and clip guy over head behind play and get one week.
Setterfield clumsy tackle, lets give him 2 weeks.. right.. all makes so much sense...

Actually I mis-heard about Luke McDonald. He actually got one week for Chayce Jones being hurt. Setterfield got two for Will Powell hurt.
Should be challenged. If Martin can get only one week for what he did and McDonald given one week we got to at least get Setterfield down to a week at worst.
Still cannot believe Martin got one for what he did. Beyond a joke.

 

[FRUMPY]

Should have just elbowed him behind play, only get 1 week.

So ****ed the outcome is more important than the act itself

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[gardiner stand]

Pretty amazing you can get suspended for two weeks for a one motion tackle, but you're allowed to elbow a guy in the head off the ball and get a fine.

Of course, Dangerfield is the mouthpiece for the AFL Gestapo.....AFLX and General arse licker

 

[Opine]

Setters copped the suspension because of the outcome, not the action.

If the guy hadn't hit his head and was concussed there would have been no case to answer, for the same action.

Having said that, I'd have to look at it again. It wasn't a sling tackle in any way, shape or form, but if Setters drove his head into the turf, then he deserves a sanction. At the time though, I didn't see it that way...but by memory, they only showed it from one angle.

BH, if your looking to identify a flawed aspect of the tackle itself, as distinct from relying merely on the outcome. Consider that in pinning both of the players arms he took away ability for the player being tackled to protect himself. So the new rules put the onus on the tackler to prevent injury in those instances.

just realised that only one arm was pinned. Though the player still unlikely to be able to protect himself.

 

[FRUMPY]

It used to be you were a dirty player to get suspended. Now it happens if someone gets concussed

Imagine having a beer with dermie and going through both your suspensions and dermie tells of massive hit and shoulders and dirty acts, then setterfield tells dermie of the tackle he laid.

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[Bluesome]

Appeal down to 1 is likely. A high impact outcome, but it wasn't intentional and only one arm was pinned. Powell could have dropped the ball to brace himself.

At least Setterfield was going for the ball, unlike Dangerfield this week.

Unfortunately I think the grading has been done too cleverly here such that there will be no avenue to have this downgraded from 2 to 1, even though that would be a more balanced outcome. It was graded as careless conduct with high impact to the head. Given the result, only avenue would be to say it wasn't 'careless' (as the impact was clearly high, and arguably severe, and the head was impacted). Such a ruling would get Setterfield off completely, which I don't think the tribunal will do (although like a lot of you I think that is what it should be considering it wasn't a slinging motion, but gravity that caused the injury).

 

[Gethelred]

And you guys still think we as a club can stand having no one in the media and afl fighting for us... they rub us out every chance they get... it’s a joke...


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No, we think that instead of trying to make a corrupt system even moreso in our own benefit, that we should try to be a part of an even playing field. Do try to keep up.

 

[gardiner stand]

What a joke Michael Christian is... He deemed it a sling motion... how on earth did you come to that conclusion without drinking ten cans of red bull?

Michael Christian is mumbling fumbling imbecile. Of all the people with AFL experience how the hell was he the best applicant for this job? Whoever hired him should resign.

Has anybody ever heard Leigh Matthews comment on Christian’s decisions? No? I wonder why?

 

[Gethelred]

Nah , just watching without the club coloured glasses on.
It’ll be interesting to note the outcry here should a CFC player ever be seriously injured by this type of thing.
I’ll leave you all to it ...

Stick around. Always need a reasonable dissenting voice. I agree with you about sling tackles, but I don't think this was one. What I think is his weight by virtue of the direction of the tackle drove his head into the ground.

Was worth a week, even if you just think it was reckless and he didn't have control.

 

[No1Suspect]

Doesnt lift or swivel hips in tackle, grabs powell and drags him down, both players falling to their right. Powell has 1 arm free. What a bullshit decision.

 

[Soapy V]

I am seeing it this way.
I think Setters needs a break anyway. He did nothing wrong but the benefit is we have brought in a very hard tackler that will just get better at it and at all parts of his game.

Setterfield needs games, time in the gym and a full pre season. Elite talent

 

[Pater44]

No, we think that instead of trying to make a corrupt system even moreso in our own benefit, that we should try to be a part of an even playing field. Do try to keep up.

That’s just it though, it is a corrupt system. How good is it going for us at the moment. We have 5 wins from 35 games. Last for 3 years pretty much yet we get a draw harder than half of the competition. We don’t get any help whatsoever from the afl and the media give it to us every chance they can.

What is the point in taking the moral high ground here. We are Carlton. It’s not like the doggies. The media loves it as a underdog story, same as Richmond. We are Carlton and they will never cheer for us. Hence why we need strong Carlton people in areas to have a voice. I’m not saying to cheat, but to have a bloody reply to all this......


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[Duigan Alley34]

Better to elbow someone in the head behind play.

Something seriously wrong with the game and those who make the rules.

Same tackle and the sun's player gets up he wins tackle of the week

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This is what frustrates me so much. Are we penalizing the act or the result?

From my knowledge (might be wrong) it was a legal tackle. It was 1 motion and the player had an arm free leaving him able to protect himself. If that player protects himself, does Setterfield get reported? No.

On the contrary if it was a illegal tackle and the player wasn't injured from it, it should still be reported.

That's my opinion on this mess of a system anyway.

 

[Stamos]

BH, if your looking to identify a flawed aspect of the tackle itself, as distinct from relying merely on the outcome. Consider that in pinning both of the players arms he took away ability for the player being tackled to protect himself. So the new rules put the onus on the tackler to prevent injury in those instances.

Both arms weren't pinned though, the left arm was completely free.

 

[SloppyJoe]

Feel for you guys here. Didn't seem to be a dangerous tackle and definitely wasn't a sling; it was just one of those unfortunate footy moments.

Seemed to hit his head harder when he fell over after the tackle, but I doubt you'll get the impact reduced.

 

[Chism]

Interesting to see if we appeal.

If that was a Buddy / Danger or Cotchin you think those players were getting what Setters did?

AFL is a joke and always have been with 2 sets of rules that try to make an example of the no name players then they totally back flip when a high profile player does the same thing.

The only thing wrong with what Setters did was his surname was not on the high profile list or in Brownlow contention.

 

[Gethelred]

That’s just it though, it is a corrupt system. How good is it going for us at the moment. We have 5 wins from 35 games. Last for 3 years pretty much yet we get a draw harder than half of the competition. We don’t get any help whatsoever from the afl and the media give it to us every chance they can.

What is the point in taking the moral high ground here. We are Carlton. It’s not like the doggies. The media loves it as a underdog story, same as Richmond. We are Carlton and they will never cheer for us. Hence why we need strong Carlton people in areas to have a voice. I’m not saying to cheat, but to have a bloody reply to all this......


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You are advocating corrupting a corrupt system further, in your own interests.

I leave it to you to decide if such is cheating. All I'll say is this; what you describe was the weapon of choice of the Essendon football club as they attempted to get their players exempted from sanctions or bans.

 

[Opine]

Both arms weren't pinned though, the left arm was completely free.

Yeah I just realised that; my bad. Technically its doubtful whether the player would still be able to protect himself given that his right arm was pinned, and direction and strength of force. Might be worth a challenge even if just for the sake of clarifying the rule and the scope of discretion of MRO in interpreting the rule.