Opinion 2020 Draft picks 1/9/22/23/40/56/66/80 (2021 + Melb 2nd, 4th, Haw 4th)

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KEY DATES

Oct 30 – Nov 6: AFL Free Agency Period
November 4 – 12: AFL Trade Period
November 20: List Lodgment 1
November 27: List Lodgment 2
November 30: AFL Draft Nominations close
w/c December 7: NAB AFL Draft and Rookie Draft (exact date to be confirmed in due course)
Mid-December: Final List Lodgment & TPP estimates​

As God is my witness, finding anything useful on the AFL.com.au site is practically impossible, may whoever designed it burn in hell.

 

[crow2crow]

$650k isn't enough. Even $700-750k might not be enough for band 1.

We're talking BIG contract to get into the top 5%. $800k+ over 5+ years

not correct

 

[GROTTO]

I think we need to wait and see how the trade period plays out. If a team loses some top line mids they will come knocking for brad. It's just going to take some time. I think we can safely assume that no club has offered Brad what he and his manager think he is worth. He will have to drop his price especially with the cap reduction about to occur. We may just end up matching and working out a trade for brad if it's the best deal we will get. If we do get around pick 11-13 for him we may need to bundle another pick to trade into the top 10. Surely the AFL can tell us where we stand in regards to compo once we know the contract Brad has been offered.

Given the integrity of the AFL, they would be crazy not to give us a 1st rounder for Brad, if its a line ball decision, which I feel it will be.

Whatever is said and done, a strong Crows team (in terms of marketing and memberships) is what is best for the AFL overall at the end of the day. There is serious $$$ attached to teams like us, the Eagles, Pies, Tigers doing well in the AFL.

 

[Scorpus]

not correct

Look at the AFL's published contract stats. The top 5% are on big money and that's what the AFL has said is required for band 1 FA compensation

 

[Shaz2012]

Obv its not pick 2... but we finished bottom so that's the bonus we get... hes worth a 1st round compo... If we won the flag... that would be pick 19 and no one would complain. You wouldn't see sides going hes worth a 2nd round compo 37.....

Its the exact same logic

Yep. That’s exactly how the system works. Only it’s not based on opinion. It’s based on the open market and a players value. That changes from year to year depending on different clubs list management strategy and position (window).

A COVID year can’t be good. Especially when clubs are having to reduce list sizes for financial reasons.

 

[crow2crow]

Look at the AFL's published contract stats. The top 5% are on big money and that's what the AFL has said is required for band 1 FA compensation

he’s our no 1 player. reigning b&f
are you saying there is one team out of 18 does not have one player in the top 5% of salaries.

also the salary bands are pre covid and pre cap changes. salaries are coming down, there will be no more 1m contracts i’m sure and so the bands are changing which is why the number is 650 not 750.

 

[Scorpus]

he’s our no 1 player. reigning b&f
are you saying there is one team out of 18 does not have one player in the top 5% of salaries.

also the salary bands are pre covid and pre cap changes. salaries are coming down, there will be no more 1m contracts i’m sure and so the bands are changing which is why the number is 650 not 750.

Sloane or Talia is our #1 player

 

[Thetrader15]

An offer just below band 1 is a very sizable contract. If we have that on the table he'd sign with us and not consider other offers if he has no intention of leaving

I think the 3 years is the thing we aren't offering and he would want, that longer term security (plus less tax!).

I'd say we are at $650-700 for 3 years, go and get $700 for 4.

Seriously though, if he really wants to stay in Adelaide, take 3 years and be done with it. Don't be greedy, he should have already set himself up for life while he's been having his paid years off with injury.

 

[Thetrader15]

he’s our no 1 player. reigning b&f
are you saying there is one team out of 18 does not have one player in the top 5% of salaries.

also the salary bands are pre covid and pre cap changes. salaries are coming down, there will be no more 1m contracts i’m sure and so the bands are changing which is why the number is 650 not 750.

Zac William's salary isn't coming down!

 

[Thetrader15]

Sloane or Talia is our #1 player

Sloane...you're funny!

Talia, ROB, Brad, Matt, Laird, Doedee are all ahead of Sloane with perfomances

 

[Red mist]

Sloane...you're funny!

Talia, ROB, Brad, Matt, Laird, Doedee are all ahead of Sloane with perfomances

By that he probably means highest paid yeah.

 

[Carmo]

Some ppl in here suggesting brad worth a pick in the teens, say pick 15.

Interesting position.

He must be a vastly inferior player to tim kelly.

Kelly was pick 14

Oh, and 16, 24 and 37. Nearly forgot those other ones. Couldn't make my Brad is inferior claim without them could I?

 

[PoholkMe10]

"Can't see Brad Crouch going for much higher than a late first round draft pick"

wow twomey. just wow. any respect I had for you is now gone.

Thats not exactly what he said. He said he doesn't expect crouch to get a big enough deal for band 1, so the compensation would be end of first round. Kym just don't understand how free agency compo works and took that to mean Twoomey only values Brad as an end of first round pick, which isn't entirely true.

 

[Betts are off]

Well we can't push someone out who wants to stay while simultaneously offering him a contract he'd be happy to accept

I quite clearly specified that by all accounts we are not pushing him out!

We are maturely and openly weighing up whether we can cash in on FA or not. So the above scenario is essentially moot, both on the pushing out element, and the offering a contract he's happy with element! Both by definition can't come into play until all parties have all the relevant information in front of them!

 

[Scorpus]

Sloane...you're funny!

Talia, ROB, Brad, Matt, Laird, Doedee are all ahead of Sloane with perfomances

Highest paid player. Doedee wouldn't even be close to that

 

[ad victoriam]

I quite clearly specified that by all accounts we are not pushing him out!

We are maturely and openly weighing up whether we can cash in on FA or not. So the above scenario is essentially moot, both on the pushing out element, and the offering a contract he's happy with element! Both won't come into play until all parties have all the relevant information in front of them!

Agree the Way I am seeing it from what Brad has said is the Crows are waiting to see what the offer are before matching then, Which is good business sence, more so today

 

[Scorpus]

I think the 3 years is the thing we aren't offering and he would want, that longer term security (plus less tax!).

I'd say we are at $650-700 for 3 years, go and get $700 for 4.

Seriously though, if he really wants to stay in Adelaide, take 3 years and be done with it. Don't be greedy, he should have already set himself up for life while he's been having his paid years off with injury.

Is $700k for 4 enough to get band 1? I wouldn't have thought so. Would be borderline at best and risky.

 

[Scorpus]

I quite clearly specified that by all accounts we are not pushing him out!

We are maturely and openly weighing up whether we can cash in on FA or not. So the above scenario is essentially moot, both on the pushing out element, and the offering a contract he's happy with element! Both by definition can't come into play until all parties have all the relevant information in front of them!

If a club offers him a big contract, but not enough to match band 1, and we are forced to accept that to keep Brad... we end up getting stung because now we have Brad on an above market contract.

It's not as simple as just assessing options and hoping for the best. I think we/the club are all happy with either keeping Brad on a relatively low salary, or getting pick 2, but what if the middle ground results in neither?

 

[Betts are off]

Agree the Way I am seeing it from what Brad has said is the Crows are waiting to see what the offer are before matching then, Which is good business sence, more so today

To be honest it seems like the club and Brad have both been open, mature and honest throughout this entire process. Its very refreshing to see 2 parties try and get the best situation and not fling s**t in the process!

 

[ad victoriam]

Is $700k for 4 enough to get band 1? I wouldn't have thought so. Would be borderline at best and risky.

Believe 700k plus the 10 points will put into Band 1 but at the lower end

 

[crow2crow]

Thats not exactly what he said. He said he doesn't expect crouch to get a big enough deal for band 1, so the compensation would be end of first round. Kym just don't understand how free agency compo works and took that to mean Twoomey only values Brad as an end of first round pick, which isn't entirely true.

sounds like he was referring to trade not compo because compo is a known pick that is pick 20. not a late first rounder. didn’t hear it.

who did he think we would take with pick 1?

 

[Betts are off]

If a club offers him a big contract, but not enough to match band 1, and we are forced to accept that to keep Brad... we end up getting stung because now we have Brad on an above market contract.

It's not as simple as just assessing options and hoping for the best. I think we/the club are all happy with either keeping Brad on a relatively low salary, or getting pick 2, but what if the middle ground results in neither?

Again you are stuck on exploring a middle ground that simply can not exist in this scenario! You lose him for a bonanza or keep him at somewhere between $600-650k/year. End of story, thanks for coming!

BTW, $650k/year for a 26 year old B&F, highest Brownlow votes polling midfielder is a relatively low salary! I can only imagine if we went into a meeting to try and lure a 26 year old B&F winning midfielder from another team with $650k/year as the carrot. I'm pretty sure the agent would laugh us out of the room!

 

[Chase13]

sounds like he was referring to trade not compo because compo is a known pick that is pick 20. not a late first rounder. didn’t hear it.

who did he think we would take with pick 1?

Probably Logan m. But said Holland tilthorpe in mix seriously need consider Holland’s. Also said Logan at this point ahead of tilthorpe. But doesn’t think tilthorpe slip to our gws pick 8

 

[TexForPM]

What did frawley get paid for band 1 pick 3 compo?

 

[Red mist]

I think the 3 years is the thing we aren't offering and he would want, that longer term security (plus less tax!).

I'd say we are at $650-700 for 3 years, go and get $700 for 4.

Seriously though, if he really wants to stay in Adelaide, take 3 years and be done with it. Don't be greedy, he should have already set himself up for life while he's been having his paid years off with injury.

There’s an impasse with length of term. Last two contracts he’s had a 12 month spell with first the foot and second the groin.
Now it can be argued that he has a grievance with the groin spell By Failure of physical performance to put him in for surgery and making him rest then load repeatedly. That lost him the season and is not his fault. Probably thinks he’s owed 4 cos the club ****ed up the way to sort his groin and I don’t blame him.

 

[crow2crow]

What did frawley get paid for band 1 pick 3 compo?

700 but that was pre covid correction