Opinion 2020 Draft picks 1/9/22/23/40/56/66/80 (2021 + Melb 2nd, 4th, Haw 4th)

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KEY DATES

Oct 30 – Nov 6: AFL Free Agency Period
November 4 – 12: AFL Trade Period
November 20: List Lodgment 1
November 27: List Lodgment 2
November 30: AFL Draft Nominations close
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Mid-December: Final List Lodgment & TPP estimates​

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[TexForPM]

700 but that was pre covid correction

so the sweet spot is around 600-700?

 

[crow2crow]

so the sweet spot is around 600-700?

over 650 as far as is understood

 

[Thetrader15]

By that he probably means highest paid yeah.

They should be the same thing, but clearly not! Hence the confusion

 

[Scorpus]

Again you are stuck on exploring a middle ground that simply can not exist in this scenario! You lose him for a bonanza or keep him at somewhere between $600-650k/year. End of story, thanks for coming!

BTW, $650k/year for a 26 year old B&F, highest Brownlow votes polling midfielder is a relatively low salary! I can only imagine if we went into a meeting to try and lure a 26 year old B&F winning midfielder from another team with $650k/year as the carrot. I'm pretty sure the agent would laugh us out of the room!

You can't say that keeping Brad on a $700k, 5 year salary "can not exist". Of course it exists.

Crows: "Brad our offer is a 3 year deal on $600k"

Rival Club: "Brad, our offer is $700k over 5 years"

Crows: "That's not enough for band 1, or at the very least is borderline band 1"

Rival Club: "Take it or leave it. We aren't offering more"

Crows: "Okay we'll match that salary or offer slightly less and keep him"

Boom, there we have Brad on a long deal that doesn't favor us at all and what we are trying to avoid. And I disagree on the contract terms, $650k over 5 years is a good salary for a midfielder that's never made the AA squad and would be enough to lure players in that position.

I think you are underestimating what is required to get band 1 compensation and assuming that "just below that" is a very good outcome for the Crows when in reality it's a big contract for a player that isn't in the top tier of midfielders in the competition

 

[crow2crow]

You can't say that keeping Brad on a $700k, 5 year salary "can not exist". Of course it exists.

Crows: "Brad our offer is a 3 year deal on $600k"

Rival Club: "Brad, our offer is $700k over 5 years"

Crows: "That's not enough for band 1, or at the very least is borderline band 1"

Rival Club: "Take it or leave it. We aren't offering more"

Crows: "Okay we'll match that salary or offer slightly less and keep him"

Boom, there we have Brad on a long deal that doesn't favor us at all and what we are trying to avoid. And I disagree on the contract terms, $650k over 5 years is a good salary for a midfielder that's never made the AA squad and would be enough to lure players in that position.

I think you are underestimating what is required to get band 1 compensation and assuming that "just below that" is a very good outcome for the Crows when in reality it's a big contract for a player that isn't in the top tier of midfielders in the competition

what did polec get?
norf probably want to get him off their books so they can put in an offer for brad as well.

 

[Betts are off]

You can't say that keeping Brad on a $700k, 5 year salary "can not exist". Of course it exists.

Crows: "Brad our offer is a 3 year deal on $600k"

Rival Club: "Brad, our offer is $700k over 5 years"

Crows: "That's not enough for band 1, or at the very least is borderline band 1"

Rival Club: "Take it or leave it. We aren't offering more"

Crows: "Okay we'll match that salary or offer slightly less and keep him"

Boom, there we have Brad on a long deal that doesn't favor us at all and what we are trying to avoid. And I disagree on the contract terms, $650k over 5 years is a good salary for a midfielder that's never made the AA squad and would be enough to lure players in that position.

It doesn’t, and it can’t! All you’re doing in banging the drum for a lose lose scenario that cannot be tolerable in our situation. Plain and simple!

 

[Scorpus]

It doesn’t, and it can’t! All you’re doing in banging the drum for a lose lose scenario that cannot be tolerable in our situation. Plain and simple!

So a club comes and offers Brad a $700k contract over 5 years and we're not sure that is enough for band 1 compensation.

What does the club do?

 

[crow2crow]

So a club comes and offers Brad a $700k contract over 5 years and we're not sure that is enough for band 1 compensation.

What does the club do?

AFL will tell them if it’s band 1 or 2. given it’s 18 picks different of course we need to know....

 

[Peter Doherty]

Well if we match his FA offer because it's not large enough, it will become a trade deal. It's pretty obvious that's what Twomey was referring to, given it's super clear there's no mechanism for Brad to get a late first under the compensation system.

If it becomes another Dangerfield situation, where we wouldn't be satisfied with the compensation pick (eg pick 19) and want to get more value, I don't think he was that far off with his trade value. A pick around 10 is more appropriate

I also don't think it's that unreasonable to suggest Brad's value under the compensation pick system is closer to end of 1st than it is pick 2

He might have been referring to a band 2 compensation, which would be end of first round.

 

[mattymac]

Nicks: Speed is the key these days. It looks like there will be some key position players at the top of the draft so we will have to factor that in. But hopefully there are some really good mids who can play a variety of positions

Hollands Time!!

 

[Scorpus]

AFL will tell them if it’s band 1 or 2. given it’s 18 picks different of course we need to know....

Do they tell clubs before the clubs choose which way to go? I'm pretty sure they haven't in the past with clubs like Richmond (Ellis) and Brisbane (Rockliff) being surprised at the low compensation on offer

 

[crow2crow]

He might have been referring to a band 2 compensation, which would be end of first round.

he said late first round pick that’s different to a known position which is the pick after 19 which is 20 and technically not first round
all these guys have an agenda

 

[Crows I Am]

Nicks: Speed is the key these days. It looks like there will be some key position players at the top of the draft so we will have to factor that in. But hopefully there are some really good mids who can play a variety of positions

Hollands Time!!

Was that from an interview today?

 

[Mego Red]

Yep, its seems pretty clear that he's been given an agenda by the higher ups. And he's determined to push it!

No he hasn't.

There's just a weird bias that exists in the media. There's no rational reason for Zac Williams to be rated higher than Crouch and earn more money, none. And yet here we are.

Obviously, we haven't helped it by playing terribly, but it is the same bias that leaps on anything bad that goes wrong and yet ignores when things are going well. It shows a lack of attention and anaysis.

Twomey, Beveridge and Mitch Cleary sound like the work experience kids on the AFL Exchange podcast, like they're only a year or two out of school. It's not a directive about Crouch, it's ignorance.

 

[Betts are off]

So a club comes and offers Brad a $700k contract over 5 years and we're not sure that is enough for band 1 compensation.

What does the club do?

You offer it to him or take the Risk on the compo! That’s the point man, black and white decision. I’m not sure why this so hard for you to grasp.

 

[crow2crow]

Was that from an interview today?

god let’s hope so...
i fear they are worried of dumb public reaction of picking an ACL player and will pick ronald mcdonald

 

[Mego Red]

I know people will criticize him, but Twomey isn't that far off.

What do people actually think is Brad's value on the open market as an uncontracted midfielder that's never made All Australian selection or even the squad of 40?

I think it's probably no more than pick 10. Certainly not pick 2 and definitely not two firsts.

Yeah, sure. If that was his point, fine.

 

[Peter Doherty]

he said late first round pick that’s different to a known position which is the pick after 19 which is 20 and technically not first round
all these guys have an agenda

Come on, when he says late first rounder he means end of first round.

 

[lunacy]

$650k isn't enough. Even $700-750k might not be enough for band 1.

We're talking BIG contract to get into the top 5%. $800k+ over 5+ years

I can’t imagine Hawthorn offered Frawley $800k+.

 

[Scorpus]

You offer it to him or take the Risk on the compo! That’s the point man, black and white decision. I’m not sure why this so hard for you to grasp.

But that's it! That's the middle ground/third option right there!

We want Brad on a suitable contract, or get pick 2. But if a club forces our hand, we might be stuck in between: either with Brad on a high contract, or without the compensation we want.

There isn't some fantasy land where it's either we make out like bandits on giving Brad a low contract, or make out like bandits on the compensation. There is a realistic situation where we are forced into neither

 

[Crow till I die]

Nicks: Speed is the key these days. It looks like there will be some key position players at the top of the draft so we will have to factor that in. But hopefully there are some really good mids who can play a variety of positions

Hollands Time!!

He really did emphasise speedy mids and almost sounded disappointed that there are key talls at the pointy end. Maybe a pick swap could be in the offing with a club at the pointy (top 3) end wanting McDonald? maybe to get us extra draft capital

 

[hey shorty]

Nicks: Speed is the key these days. It looks like there will be some key position players at the top of the draft so we will have to factor that in. But hopefully there are some really good mids who can play a variety of positions

Hollands Time!!

That's exactly what I took out of that interview

 

[hey shorty]

Was that from an interview today?

Indeed it was.

 

[lunacy]

Believe 700k plus the 10 points will put into Band 1 but at the lower end

What’s the 10 points?

 

[Murray2503]

You can't say that keeping Brad on a $700k, 5 year salary "can not exist". Of course it exists.

Crows: "Brad our offer is a 3 year deal on $600k"

Rival Club: "Brad, our offer is $700k over 5 years"

Crows: "That's not enough for band 1, or at the very least is borderline band 1"

Rival Club: "Take it or leave it. We aren't offering more"

Crows: "Okay we'll match that salary or offer slightly less and keep him"

Boom, there we have Brad on a long deal that doesn't favor us at all and what we are trying to avoid. And I disagree on the contract terms, $650k over 5 years is a good salary for a midfielder that's never made the AA squad and would be enough to lure players in that position.

I think you are underestimating what is required to get band 1 compensation and assuming that "just below that" is a very good outcome for the Crows when in reality it's a big contract for a player that isn't in the top tier of midfielders in the competition

The club can't be forced into a matching scenario to force a better outcome through the trade as we will end up paying more for brad than we believe he is worth. Another club may be willing to give him 5 years as their club has a 5 year premiership window. Our list is in a different position. The crows need to decide what Brad is worth to us and not go above that. If we end up with an end of first round pick so be it. What we do know is that Brad will go with the best offer. If staying trumps taking the best deal then he will need to accept our 3 year deal. Also, for all we know maybe we are trading out another player which may nett us a top 15 pick. That pick with Brad's compo may allow us to trade into the top 10. If we end up with 3 picks in the top 10 that is a great outcome. We just won't have pick 1, 2, 8 . End of the day we may not end up with both Hollands and McDonald if that's who we were taking at 1 and 2 but need to make a choice out of the two.