2020 Non-Crows AFL Discussion

[CrowsB4hoes]

While we're delving into the rule book
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How does (h) make sense, if to be Out of Bounds On the Full the football has to be kicked?

In a ruck, if the ruckman punches the ball back over the boundary line it is out of bounds on the full

 

[radiojake]

so I just watched the last 2 mins of the game on afl.com

they edited the final free kick so much that i didn't understand what happened

it's like they know it stinks so tried to hide it

 

[Interloperer]

How does (h) make sense, if to be Out of Bounds On the Full the football has to be kicked?

h) is more of a variation on deliberate out of bounds than the out on the full rule (there is an equivalent clause for the deliberate rushed behind rule too)

I think there's also a section in the laws, where a definition in a specific rule will overrule a more general definition. eg, a drop kick is a legal disposal, but for the purposes of the holding the ball rule it is not.

 

[footy4ever]

Fremantle would have every right to feel robbed.

Two dubious free kicks then a miracle goal after the siren. Amazing kick but jeez those decisions were line ball

Absolutely deliberate out of bounds. Absolutely a fifty after unnecessary front on take out after the ball was kicked. There should be no controversy at all. Edit: not a ‘fifty’ but down field.

It’s the w***er media trying to sensationalise everything as usual.

the kick, now that was sensational.

 

[FAITH]

He did a riccuito

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[radiojake]

Absolutely deliberate out of bounds. Absolutely a fifty after unnecessary front on take out after the ball was kicked. There should be no controversy at all.

It’s the w***er media trying to sensationalise everything as usual.

the kick, now that was sensational.

definitely deliberate out of bounds - free kick down the field 50/50 - but it definitely should have been Gibbons taking the free kick

 

[FR0GGY]

Absolutely deliberate out of bounds. Absolutely a fifty after unnecessary front on take out after the ball was kicked. There should be no controversy at all.

It’s the w***er media trying to sensationalise everything as usual.

the kick, now that was sensational.

The kick certainly wasn’t taken from where the ball crossed the line though.

 

[footy4ever]

Looks like this is the official passage from the 2020 rule book, which has been updated since 2019 which I quoted

No brainer.

 

[footy4ever]

The kick certainly wasn’t taken from where the ball crossed the line though.

Oh absolutely they fkd that up.

 

[kirky]

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That has aged well.

 

[Peter Doherty]

That has aged well.

Eddie was not great in 2019, 2020 numbers are trending down.

Average disposals, goals and score involvements all are down.

 

[1970crow]

Probably less pressure then taking a kick after the siren right in front and only 40 out.

I starting feeling the pressure, it was a recurring bad dream being played out on in front of me. My chest was tightening. The most common goes along the lines of a I'm teeing up on the first, I put the ball on the tee and take my set up. But I'm not happy with something, say feet are in muddy ground. So I see a better spot, tee up there, now there's a tree in the path of my ball, go to another spot, some other problem. Meanwhile the pressure to get off the tee block is increasing and the next group(s) to tee off are mingling around. I'm not sure how long it goes for, but washing buggalugs for that minute or so last night was very uncomfortable for me. My chest is tightening as I type this.

 

[1970crow]

I look forward to the day that we use neutral umpires for games... but won't be in my lifetime.

What's the argument against full time umpires? I vaguely recall it being mentioned that they didn't think there would be an improvement. I'd love to see the depth of the study that arrived at that conclusion.

 

[1970crow]

Has the AFL ever reversed the result of a game due to an umpire error?

sirengate?

 

[Dewy006]

So basically people are giving the Gibbons decision the ok because technically in the rule book it doesn’t state the closest player has to take the kick? Does that mean today every time we receive an out of bounds free kick we can just have our best kick run over and take it?

 

[1970crow]

I do recall frees down ground not being paid if the ball went out of bounds on the full. The 'mark' can't be off the oval being the reasoning. But I've never seen the rule so I don't know what's actually correct.

I just read it and it's a judgement call. If taking the free at the point it went out of bounds penalises the team, then it's taken by the infringed at the place of infringement. I guess this is why missed shots on goal have always gone back to the original position as unless you're kicking backwards, that's the only time you'd be at a disadvantage by not going again from the original spot.

 

[1970crow]

This is the actual rule:

17.1.2 Awarding Free Kicks
Unless otherwise stated in these Laws, a Free Kick can be awarded at any location on the Arena and shall be taken where it is awarded or where the football is at the time, whichever is the greater penalty against the offending Team.

The Arena is defined as:

Arena: the Playing Surface and all of the area between the Playing Surface and the perimeter fence, including any break in the perimeter fence.

The way I would see it, if the ball hasn't crossed the boundary line yet, the free kick should have been at the very instant where that ball is, or where the infringement occurred. However as soon as the ball crosses over the line, it is out of bounds on the full. In that sense, the location of that OOTF free kick would be at the boundary where the ball crossed. Paying the free kick for the push should then constitute a reversal of the out of bounds kick, and awarded at that location.

So in conclusion, the maximum penalty the umpire could award under the rules would be the location of the out on the full free kick, not where the ball landed after play

17.12 is the actual rule

 

[1970crow]

In a ruck, if the ruckman punches the ball back over the boundary line it is out of bounds on the full

not under the definitions. They need to remove the capitalisation so that it reads as a sentence rather than a reference to another rule.

 

[Cap]

Given it looks like Victoria in getting on top of their Carona virus outbreak, what's the chance of going back to 22 games plus finals next year?

 

[hey shorty]

On a different note to the Carlton joke, does anyone think Grundy has taken his foot off the gas after signing his mega deal ??

Or just going through a poor trot ??

 

[FR0GGY]

On a different note to the Carlton joke, does anyone think Grundy has taken his foot off the gas after signing his mega deal ??

Or just going through a poor trot ??

It’s pretty hard to sustain the level he had been playing at for a couple of years.

 

[hey shorty]

It’s pretty hard to stain the level he had been playing at for a couple of years.

Stain ??

I LOLd

 

[kirky]

Given it looks like Victoria in getting on top of their Carona virus outbreak, what's the chance of going back to 22 games plus finals next year?

Possibly but still early days yet. Not convinced large crowds will be allowed tho.

Isn’t the AFL just using this years draw for next year? Think that is the case and saves them doing it again.

 

[TubbsFarquhar]

Time to sack the useless pea-heart.

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

not under the definitions. They need to remove the capitalisation so that it reads as a sentence rather than a reference to another rule.

Ah I see now