Fantasy 2021 - EMPIRE League - Discussion

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Should have taken CMac instead of Mixon GG, tsk, tsk.

 

[Exe Gesis]

Turned out....

Wentz + Wright + Ronald Jones + Bradley Chubb + Marquise Brown + Rock Ya-Sin
vs
Kessler + Joe Mixon + Zay Jones + Robert Davis (WR) + 5.02 became Devante May at 4.01 after another trade with you + Jordan Willis (DE)

Thats more good drafting by you and bad drafting by me that sees that end result so lopsided in your favor.
But the trade itself as it stood before any pick selections were made, was pretty even in terms of 2x 1sts both given up by us. Not at all a fleecing by one party for a single QB. Not like to get Wentz standalone you had to give up 2 1sts, a 2nd, a 3rd. It was Wentz and 2 1sts and a top LB, for 2 1sts and a couple late rounders. Very friendly by me.

 

[Exe Gesis]

Should have taken CMac instead of Mixon GG, tsk, tsk.

true, had a hard-on for mixon. bad drafting in those days. mixon might still make me happy

 

[Exe Gesis]

Thus, Tua....right now....a 2nd rounder on its own seems fair

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

true, had a hard-on for mixon. bad drafting in those days. mixon might still make me happy

Mixon injuries the only thing from stopping him becoming elite. Unfortunately I think it's one of those things that looks a pattern and will continue.

 

[Exe Gesis]

Could even make it a conditional trade if you want....

Tua
for
2022 2nd + conditional 2023 pick (1st? 2nd? 3rd? etc...pending how many fantasy points he puts up in 2021).

 

[drd23]

I didn't realise people took bye weeks so seriously in this league

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Thus, Tua....right now....a 2nd rounder on its own seems fair

Seems about right to me, definitely don't think it's an offensive offer.

 

[Exe Gesis]

Mixon injuries the only thing from stopping him becoming elite. Unfortunately I think it's one of those things that looks a pattern and will continue.

CMac just had a severe injury, and maybe they utilize him much less to preserve him now, whilst Mixon gets over his, and makes the jump?

 

[Exe Gesis]

Tua
for
2022 2nd + conditional 2023 pick (1st? 2nd? 3rd? etc...pending how many fantasy points he puts up in 2021).

What you say, BeinPurplenGreen
Trade you PBs 2nd 2022 right now for Tua....and pending fantasy pts in 2021, determine the ranges, will determine the pick I give you in 2023

?

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

CMac just had a severe injury, and maybe they utilize him much less to preserve him now, whilst Mixon gets over his, and makes the jump?

CMac hadn't missed a game before last year, could have played out season and last 4 weeks but wisely put on ice. Not a yearly pattern like Mixon.

I said way back in the draft year to you, that I thought CMac was worth more than Mixon because he could easily become a slot receiver if his body can't cope with being running back long term and I still say that could be the case.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

What you say, BeinPurplenGreen
Trade you PBs 2nd 2022 right now for Tua....and pending fantasy pts in 2021, determine the ranges, will determine the pick I give you in 2023

?

That's actually a really impressive idea by you. Had never considered it in fantasy.

 

[Exe Gesis]

CMac hadn't missed a game before last year, could have played out season and last 4 weeks but wisely put on ice. Not a yearly pattern like Mixon.

I said way back in the draft year to you, that I thought CMac was worth more than Mixon because he could easily become a slot receiver if his body can't cope with being running back long term and I still say that could be the case.

We get it in our heads, we fall in love with a player out of college, bull-headed. Same with you wondering about Waddle vs Moore this year. Etc.

 

[Exe Gesis]

That's actually a really impressive idea by you. Had never considered it in fantasy.

Yep, that way, there's something there for BPG in case the player excels, and something there for me in case the player bombs out. Win-win. Alleviates any worry either party might have if a trade was made for a finite set of picks or pick.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

We get it in our heads, we fall in love with a player out of college, bull-headed. Same with you wondering about Waddle vs Moore this year. Etc.

I wasnt considering Moore really , I was pondering taking Zach Wilson after Dagless stole Lance. But then I looked over the rosters of the people behind me and thought there is no way I don't get him at #16. Then Lenny ****ed up my plan completely. Was all mapped out perfectly, had drd taking Fields before me and Zach falling in my lap. **** Lenny.

 

[Exe Gesis]

Yeah Lenny has suddenly four or five starting QBs now. Like BPG. Why waiting for your pick is always scary, edge of seat stuff, you can never be sure which player another owner might take, even looking at their roster strengths and weaknesses. Why I often panic and trade up to get someone I like.

Lost out this year on a number of players due to Helfarch and BPG too.

 

[BeinPurplenGreen]

What you say, BeinPurplenGreen
Trade you PBs 2nd 2022 right now for Tua....and pending fantasy pts in 2021, determine the ranges, will determine the pick I give you in 2023

?

If it was a early second next year that is getting close to workable, but PBs (like Dags and A11ds) squad is strong and the pick will be very late second.

Plus no one else would have to be willing to offer me a better deal right now for Tua - which if you remember is what happened with Wentz, I had an alternative offer that meant you had to sweeten the offer to keep me interested in Wentzalicious.

More generally, I really like the idea of conditional performance options as a trade component, so long as the performance thresholds are set to a league standard range of point bands - not individually negotiable on each trade. We actually used it in another nfl fantasy comp I was in and it worked really well...

 

[Exe Gesis]

If it was a early second next year that is getting close to workable, but PBs (like Dags and A11ds) squad is strong and the pick will be very late second.

Plus no one else would have to be willing to offer me a better deal right now for Tua - which if you remember is what happened with Wentz, I had an alternative offer that meant you had to sweeten the offer to keep me interested in Wentzalicious.

More generally, I really like the idea of conditional performance options as a trade component, so long as the performance thresholds are set to a league standard range of point bands - not individually negotiable on each trade. We actually used it in another nfl fantasy comp I was in and it worked really well...

Cant use a standard as all positions score differently. QBs, RB/WR/TEs, IDPs, kickers. Itd have to be a standard based on each position group, what the highest-lowest range a QB scores in general. What the highest-lowest a RB/WR/TE scores, etc

Eg, get the highest scoring qb 2020, 16th best scoring qb, 32nd best scoring qb....and work on a range from low to high that equals 6th to 1st round pick

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

I don't like the idea of it as a regular thing, but it's good for a deal breaker in cases like this.

 

[LennyHayes77]

I like the idea of being able to offer a conditional pick but I feel like it would need to be available for everyone if they wanted to

 

[Exe Gesis]

I like the idea of being able to offer a conditional pick but I feel like it would need to be available for everyone if they wanted to

It would be. Up to the trade parties on a particular trade that is stalled at some aspect.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

I like the idea of being able to offer a conditional pick but I feel like it would need to be available for everyone if they wanted to

I dont understand what this is supposed to mean? It's not often cases like this come up. This should be a last resort , not a regular occurrence, like in real life.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

All this is doing is taking the variance of Tua's performance out of play. If it was used for every trade the league and trading would be boring as ****.

 

[Exe Gesis]

Yeah its perfect for the Tua situation given the worry of whether he is or isnt gonna take a jump. Is he gonna be Allen or Darnold ? -- the conditional pick helps reassure both trade parties

 

[LennyHayes77]

I dont understand what this is supposed to mean? It's not often cases like this come up. This should be a last resort , not a regular occurrence, like in real life.

What's not to understand? If GG can offer a conditional pick for Tua why can't I offer one for Kyle Pitts for eg? He hasn't played a down in the NFL and could end up a spud so why should I have to fork out 2 1sts or whatever the asking price might be if he turns to shit. I'm not saying it should be part of every trade, just available to everyone or not available to anyone.