List Mgmt. 2021 List Management: Academy, Contracts, Trading & Draft

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Some more trade and draft resources. Courtesy of Lore.

Key Off-Season Dates
This is a comprehensive list including dates for draft combines, list lodgements, delisted free agency windows and return to train dates. I had to collate these from three different club websites because the AFL is lazy af and doesn't have it on their website, so thought it might be helpful to share:

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

Grand Final
Saturday September 25

Draft Combine – Vic Country
Friday October 1

Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
Wednesday October 3 - Friday October 15

Trade Period (picks and players)
Monday October 4 (9am) – Wednesday October 13 (7.30pm)

Draft Combines (States and Regions)
VM: Saturday October 9 (tbc)
Qld: Sunday October 10
Tas: Monday October 11
SA: Saturday October 16
WA: Sunday October 17
NSW & ACT: tbc
NT: will join SA or Qld

Trade Period (picks only)
Monday October 18 – Monday November 15

List Lodgement 1
Friday October 29

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
Wednesday November 3 – Tuesday November 9

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
Wednesday November 10

Delisted Free Agency Window 3
Thursday November 11 – Monday November 15

AFL Pre-Season Commences (First to fourth year players)
Monday November 22

National Draft
Round 1: Wednesday November 24 (7pm)
Round 2–end: Thursday November 25 (7pm)

Preseason and Rookie Drafts
Friday November 26 (3.20pm)

Final List Lodgement
Monday November 29

Pre-Season Commences (All other players)
Monday December 6

Pre-Season Supplemental Selection Period (SSP)
December - March (tbc)

Pre-Season Christmas Break
Sunday December 19 - Sunday January 9

Draft Order & Future Pick Tracker



FAQs & Resources Thread

It has an index at the top with threadmarks so it's easy to find what you're looking for – or easier than scrolling through 250 pages of AFL Rules, Regulations and CBA pdfs anyway.

These sorts of questions are all answered along with a bunch of other resources made by posters from across BigFooty (feel free to add to it!):
www.bigfooty.com

Resource - FAQs: Rules, Regulations and Resources for Player Movements in the AFL

List sizes Club age and height profiles Salary cap information Trading rules including salary dumps Father/son & academy draft bids Free agency compensation formula & more
www.bigfooty.com www.bigfooty.com

GWS List Summary

Senior List

33: 36 less delisted Shipley & Hutchesson, delisted Wehr (to be reselected in rookie draft), traded Finlayson, plus DFA signing of Brander. 3 to 5 spots available at ND.

1 Phil Davis - 2022
2 Jacob Hopper - 2023
3 Stephen Coniglio - 2026
4 Toby Greene - 2026
5 Tanner Bruhn - 2022
6 Lachie Whitfield - 2027
7 Lachlan Ash - 2023
8 Callan Ward - 2022
9 Ryan Angwin - 2022
10 Jacob Wehr - 2022 [delisted with an agreement to select in the rookie draft]
11 Brayden Preuss - 2023
12 Tom Green - 2023
13 Isaac Cumming - 2022
14 Tim Taranto - 2022
15 Sam Taylor - 2025
16 Brent Daniels - 2025
18 Conor Stone - 2024
19 Nick Haynes - 2024
22 Josh Kelly - 2029
23 Jesse Hogan - 2022
24 Matthew De Boer - 2022
25 Lachlan Keeffe - 2022
26 Jake Riccardi - 2023
27 Harry Himmelberg - 2023
29 Cam Fleeton - 2022
30 Matt Flynn - 2023
32 Kieran Briggs - 2022
33 Xavier O'Halloran - 2022
36 Harry Perryman - 2022
37 Ian Hill - 2022
39 Connor Idun - 2022
40 Adam Kennedy - 2022
44 Jack Buckley - 2022

+ Jarrod Brander - 2022 (selected in first DFA window)

Rookie List - A

4: 7 less delisted Reid & Buntine, retired Shane Mumford. 0 to 2 spots available for rookie draft.

28 Zach Sproule - 2022
38 Daniel Lloyd - 2022
42 Jake Stein - 2022
45 James Peatling - 2022

Rookie List - B

2: full

35 Will Shaw - 2022
46 Callum M Brown - 2022 (Irish international rookie, extended 1 year under COVID rules)
 
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sydney_gws said:
I don't think so, we can always have room for a pick2/4 quality player to play, Finn would be a good player to be the medical sub at worst.
It is having 2 or 3 picks in the 11-20 range that causes problems as they often don't make our team (and see players drafted after them playing at bottom 6 clubs), and tend to play less with us than they might at another club.
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AFL draft 2021: Who Crows could take at pick 4, Finn Callaghan, Josh Rachele | The Advertiser (adelaidenow.com.au)
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If GWS aren't into Callaghan then surely it's one of Gibcus or Andrew, that bit is fairly obvious. Identifying the need is easy, but getting that to reflect 'value' in where you take them at the draft is the hard bit.

The next question isn't really which club to trade with, it's where they think either of those player would get selected at a minimum.

Gibcus in that 5-8 range, Andrew in that 6-15 range.

That's where you start looking at where the other clubs sit.

If the preference is for Gibcus then there's probably no chance he gets past Gold Coast with their 1st pick if you do a pick swap with someone who takes Callaghan at 4. (after bids on Darcy & Daicos). If GWS are sold on Gibcus, who really does stand out as a Jake Lever V2.0, then it's hard to do anything other than take Gibcus at your current pick.

If GWS were happy with Andrew then IMO Richmond are probably the perfect club to pick swap with.
 
Personally I like we are linked to Rachele. I would love to have him in our forward line and think he is the kind of player that could have an immediate impact. If we could get him AND andrews that would be ideal wouldn't it? Our young backline SHOULD only get better after this year and if we need a tall we will have more options next year than this. We would also have more opportunity to get a batter look at these prospects with a full season under their belt.
 
WeedsMullet84 said:
If GWS aren't into Callaghan then surely it's one of Gibcus or Andrew, that bit is fairly obvious. Identifying the need is easy, but getting that to reflect 'value' in where you take them at the draft is the hard bit.

The next question isn't really which club to trade with, it's where they think either of those player would get selected at a minimum.

Gibcus in that 5-8 range, Andrew in that 6-15 range.

That's where you start looking at where the other clubs sit.

If the preference is for Gibcus then there's probably no chance he gets past Gold Coast with their 1st pick if you do a pick swap with someone who takes Callaghan at 4. (after bids on Darcy & Daicos). If GWS are sold on Gibcus, who really does stand out as a Jake Lever V2.0, then it's hard to do anything other than take Gibcus at your current pick.

If GWS were happy with Andrew then IMO Richmond are probably the perfect club to pick swap with.
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Agree with most of this.

I think that Suns will take either Gibcus or Andrew at 3 (5)

Im not sure any other club will take them before our next pick at 13 (15)

If you are sold on one or the other, Gold Coast is a very good chance to pick them with their first pick. But taking either at 2 feels a huge reach.

If you dont care which of the 2 you get, than you can trade down (assuming you get value) and take which ever gets past the Suns.

Or my preferred option, take Callaghan as the clear best available, and have a very reasonable chance of one of those 2 or Rachele (the 4th player we like apparently) still being there at 13 (15)
 
Hendo_21 said:
Anyone have access to the article and can post the info in here?
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I can't get behind the pay wall, but I nicked the following off the Crows' board ... I think it is part of the article above.

Adelaide, Port Adelaide draft preview: All the key questions for both clubs are answered

Adelaide is set to add another of the country's best young talents to its list. We assess the leading contenders to become a Crow at pick 4. After Riley Thilthorpe became the highest Adelaide draftee in history in 2020, going at pick 2 after the club made a bid on Jamarra Ugle-Hagan, the Crows have another chance to add a top talent to their list. Currently at pick 4, which is likely to be pick 6 once father-son bids for Nick Daicos and Sam Darcy come in, the Crows won’t be able to select South Australia’s best prospect for the second year in a row — with Jason Horne-Francis off to North Melbourne.

So, who will the Crows take to help their rebuild go to the next level? The Sunday Mail assesses a few of the leading candidates.

Finn Callaghan, Sandringham Dragons

With Horne-Francis all but assured of being selected by North Melbourne, it is Callaghan who has become the top “live” prospect available to clubs. So impressed are clubs with the 190cm midfielder, who boasts run, carry, athleticism and kicking, that several teams are poised to try and make a move up the order and nab GWS’ pick 2. The Crows are understood to be one of them, after trying to get the Kangaroos to part with pick 1.

They, like most clubs have inquired about the Sandringham product who has significantly risen up draft boards this year. Callaghan’s father Brett was the national 400m champion and represented Australia at the 1994 Commonwealth Games. Callaghan has improved his running significantly this year — he has posted a 6.12mins 2km — and has added muscle to his tall frame. Those who know Callaghan have said that they believe he might have grown a little bit of late, which would surely add to his appeal among clubs.

He would be an ideal addition to a Crows midfield that doesn’t boast a player at his height, outside of Jackson Hately who couldn’t break into the senior side in his first season at Adelaide. Callaghan, with his penetrating left foot, looms as an ideal modern-midfielder the Crows would love — but the question will be how can they get him. It is understood the Crows have also asked about his Dragons teammate Josh Sinn, although he is expected to go later on in the draft.

Josh Rachele, Murray Bushrangers

Likened to GWS star Toby Greene, Rachele is one of the most talented players in the draft pool. After turning down a scholarship to sign with Melbourne City, Rachele decided to focus on football rather than soccer. He has quickly established himself as an excitement machine and at 180cm is widely considered as the best small forward in the draft pool. Adelaide has a need for a small forward, especially one with the skills and tricks that Rachele has.

But small forwards don’t usually go in the top five, or top six if Adelaide’s pick slides down there after bids for Nick Daicos and Sam Darcy. However there shouldn’t be too many complaints from Crows fans if they choose with Rachele with their first pick. He is strong overhead for his size, and dynamic at ground level. And he has shone as a midfielder at junior level, fuelling hope that while he isn’t the tallest he can make the adjustment at senior level.

It is understood that the Crows, along with GWS, have shown some of the biggest interest in Rachele of late. And it is also understood that Rachele is more than happy to move interstate to play his footy, which has the interstate clubs in particular very interested in him. All of the clubs in the top 10 after North Melbourne have shown interest in the excitement machine. The Crows have a lot of players who will work hard, they need a player with the class, skills and tricks that Rachele has in his locker.

Ben Hobbs, Greater Western Victoria Rebels

This is very much a case of a potential best available player at the Crows current pick, especially if Rachele is off the board, as well as Callaghan. A contested beast, the tough 181cm midfielder has emerged as one of the best prospects in this year’s crop, averaging 28.5 disposals, 5.8 clearances and 5.5 tackles from his four full NAB League games. An extremely hard worker, Hobbs has already been labelled as a potential captain of whatever club does draft him. Adelaide does have Tom Doedee as its captain in waiting, but Rory Sloane is 32 next year and Hobbs could be his replacement in the Crows engine room. Hobbs is right in conversations as the best pure inside midfielder in the pool and while he doesn’t provide the height the Crows might be seeking he definitely would add to Adelaide’s contested game.
 
Giant Strides said:
I can't get behind the pay wall, but I nicked the following off the Crows' board ... I think it is part of the article above.

Adelaide, Port Adelaide draft preview: All the key questions for both clubs are answered

Adelaide is set to add another of the country's best young talents to its list. We assess the leading contenders to become a Crow at pick 4. After Riley Thilthorpe became the highest Adelaide draftee in history in 2020, going at pick 2 after the club made a bid on Jamarra Ugle-Hagan, the Crows have another chance to add a top talent to their list. Currently at pick 4, which is likely to be pick 6 once father-son bids for Nick Daicos and Sam Darcy come in, the Crows won’t be able to select South Australia’s best prospect for the second year in a row — with Jason Horne-Francis off to North Melbourne.

So, who will the Crows take to help their rebuild go to the next level? The Sunday Mail assesses a few of the leading candidates.

Finn Callaghan, Sandringham Dragons

With Horne-Francis all but assured of being selected by North Melbourne, it is Callaghan who has become the top “live” prospect available to clubs. So impressed are clubs with the 190cm midfielder, who boasts run, carry, athleticism and kicking, that several teams are poised to try and make a move up the order and nab GWS’ pick 2. The Crows are understood to be one of them, after trying to get the Kangaroos to part with pick 1.

They, like most clubs have inquired about the Sandringham product who has significantly risen up draft boards this year. Callaghan’s father Brett was the national 400m champion and represented Australia at the 1994 Commonwealth Games. Callaghan has improved his running significantly this year — he has posted a 6.12mins 2km — and has added muscle to his tall frame. Those who know Callaghan have said that they believe he might have grown a little bit of late, which would surely add to his appeal among clubs.

He would be an ideal addition to a Crows midfield that doesn’t boast a player at his height, outside of Jackson Hately who couldn’t break into the senior side in his first season at Adelaide. Callaghan, with his penetrating left foot, looms as an ideal modern-midfielder the Crows would love — but the question will be how can they get him. It is understood the Crows have also asked about his Dragons teammate Josh Sinn, although he is expected to go later on in the draft.

Josh Rachele, Murray Bushrangers

Likened to GWS star Toby Greene, Rachele is one of the most talented players in the draft pool. After turning down a scholarship to sign with Melbourne City, Rachele decided to focus on football rather than soccer. He has quickly established himself as an excitement machine and at 180cm is widely considered as the best small forward in the draft pool. Adelaide has a need for a small forward, especially one with the skills and tricks that Rachele has.

But small forwards don’t usually go in the top five, or top six if Adelaide’s pick slides down there after bids for Nick Daicos and Sam Darcy. However there shouldn’t be too many complaints from Crows fans if they choose with Rachele with their first pick. He is strong overhead for his size, and dynamic at ground level. And he has shone as a midfielder at junior level, fuelling hope that while he isn’t the tallest he can make the adjustment at senior level.

It is understood that the Crows, along with GWS, have shown some of the biggest interest in Rachele of late. And it is also understood that Rachele is more than happy to move interstate to play his footy, which has the interstate clubs in particular very interested in him. All of the clubs in the top 10 after North Melbourne have shown interest in the excitement machine. The Crows have a lot of players who will work hard, they need a player with the class, skills and tricks that Rachele has in his locker.

Ben Hobbs, Greater Western Victoria Rebels

This is very much a case of a potential best available player at the Crows current pick, especially if Rachele is off the board, as well as Callaghan. A contested beast, the tough 181cm midfielder has emerged as one of the best prospects in this year’s crop, averaging 28.5 disposals, 5.8 clearances and 5.5 tackles from his four full NAB League games. An extremely hard worker, Hobbs has already been labelled as a potential captain of whatever club does draft him. Adelaide does have Tom Doedee as its captain in waiting, but Rory Sloane is 32 next year and Hobbs could be his replacement in the Crows engine room. Hobbs is right in conversations as the best pure inside midfielder in the pool and while he doesn’t provide the height the Crows might be seeking he definitely would add to Adelaide’s contested game.
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Good find! Rachele being comfortable moving interstate makes him all the more appealing, would add another layer of chaos and goal kicking to our forward half that we miss especially from our smalls.
 

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So, the Freo board has a bit of a buzz about a possible double trade - them, Crows & us. (Of course, I don't believe anything until it actually happens, but sometimes the rumours come true.)

Adelaide trade #4 and #33 to Fremantle for for #6 and #19.

Then Freo trade #4 and #8 to GWS for #2 and #13 (gives us more value than #6 & #8 for #2 & #13).

That gets Freo Callaghan, and #13 will be Amiss, NWM, JVR, Goater - plenty of options to complement Callaghan.

Adelaide can't get Callaghan anyway as they won't trade a F1R, so get a pretty good option at #6, and their late 2R pick comes into the coveted pick #19.

GWS get two picks inside the top 10, even after pushback. Obviously miss out on Callaghan, so can we get 2 of the other 3 we like?

It might go something like:

1 Norths - JHF
2 bid match Pies - Daicos
3 bid match Dogs - Darcy
4 Freo - Callaghan
5 Suns - Andrew or Gibcus
6 GWS - Gibcus or Andrew or Rachele
7 Hawks - Ward
8 Crows - Erasmus or Rachele
9 Tigers - Hobbs or Amiss or Gibcus
10 GWS - Rachele or Gibcus or Erasmus or NWM

Clearly the risk is that Suns take Mac Andrew and our gamble has backfired.

The second risk is that if Mac is gone, we take the second best tall in Gibcus, but then Rachele goes to Crows, so we only get 1 out of 4 preferred players. If we took Rachele at #6, albeit early, then probably Gibcus gets through to our second pick, but not necessarily. However, there are a couple of reasonable options.

But, if we've judged correctly, we could get 2 guys who add to our squad, just for missing out on Callaghan.

Thoughts? Love the risk, hate the risk?
 
Giant Strides said:
So, the Freo board has a bit of a buzz about a possible double trade - them, Crows & us. (Of course, I don't believe anything until it actually happens, but sometimes the rumours come true.)

Adelaide trade #4 and #33 to Fremantle for for #6 and #19.

Then Freo trade #4 and #8 to GWS for #2 and #13 (gives us more value than #6 & #8 for #2 & #13).

That gets Freo Callaghan, and #13 will be Amiss, NWM, JVR, Goater - plenty of options to complement Callaghan.

Adelaide can't get Callaghan anyway as they won't trade a F1R, so get a pretty good option at #6, and their late 2R pick comes into the coveted pick #19.

GWS get two picks inside the top 10, even after pushback. Obviously miss out on Callaghan, so can we get 2 of the other 3 we like?

It might go something like:

1 Norths - JHF
2 bid match Pies - Daicos
3 bid match Dogs - Darcy
4 Freo - Callaghan
5 Suns - Andrew or Gibcus
6 GWS - Gibcus or Andrew or Rachele
7 Hawks - Ward
8 Crows - Erasmus or Rachele
9 Tigers - Hobbs or Amiss or Gibcus
10 GWS - Rachele or Gibcus or Erasmus or NWM

Clearly the risk is that Suns take Mac Andrew and our gamble has backfired.

The second risk is that if Mac is gone, we take the second best tall in Gibcus, but then Rachele goes to Crows, so we only get 1 out of 4 preferred players. If we took Rachele at #6, albeit early, then probably Gibcus gets through to our second pick, but not necessarily. However, there are a couple of reasonable options.

But, if we've judged correctly, we could get 2 guys who add to our squad, just for missing out on Callaghan.

Thoughts? Love the risk, hate the risk?
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Has it been reported that the suns are interested in Mac Andrews? I've seen it mentioned on here and some other boards a few times but yet to ready anything about it, maybe I've just missed it.
 
Giant Pete said:
Nothing that we’d actually want to know that he could answer is there?
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Yeah I considered asking some questions but then thought anything about if we're gonna trade the pick or who we're going to target wouldn't be answered. Might be able to get some insight into their process and some key indicators they look for in players, would make it easier to narrow it down to who they might select especially at 13 which is a lot more open.
 
Hendo_21 said:
Has it been reported that the suns are interested in Mac Andrews? I've seen it mentioned on here and some other boards a few times but yet to ready anything about it, maybe I've just missed it.
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Suns are keeping things close to their chest. Whilst recruiting Mabior Chol might seem to have reduced the impetus to get a similar ruck-forward, and increased the impetus to select Josh Gibcus, the buzz on the Suns board is that Gibcus has been read as a flight risk by the Suns (which is at odds with his public statements). So, hard to tell. In short, nothing clear, but some buzz has Suns interested in Mac.
 

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