Position 2021 Midfielders

Which players will be top ten MIDs?

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Silky23 said:
Yep so Gawn and Tracca’s scoring has included good and bad weeks like any other premo so why does their average not count ahahah? Their role hasn’t changed. Neither has Titch’s. Still finding a bucket load of the footy. I’m trying to emphasise the dip in scoring due to the scaling factor last year. A lot of these blokes were KOTD.
Sidebottom arguably the same split. And Gaff has dropped off significantly. What I’m arguing is that Rowell has played 4 games then injured, first game back then injured. You believe he’ll come in all guns blazing and go like hail Mary from the start? He has zero track record of sustained performance and he’s still a rookie. All I’m saying is that it’s a huge outlay for massive risk low reward.
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You're arguing a dip and then saying yes there are outliers and reeling off half a dozen names. Some have gone up, some have gone down.

And yes Titch has had a role change.

Doesn't mean Rowell is a good pick but it's not because he scored well in the bubble games and Gawns average dropped 14 too....
 
HTPunter said:
You're arguing a dip and then saying yes there are outliers and reeling off half a dozen names. Some have gone up, some have gone down.

And yes Titch has had a role change.

Doesn't mean Rowell is a good pick but it's not because he scored well in the bubble games and Gawns average dropped 14 too....
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I'm not saying it's definitely going to happen, but yes some players have had a large dip. Rowell is a guy who's played 4 and a half games LOL, 124 average uninjured isn't going to continue. Good luck if you think it will because you might need a dose of 'wake up to yourself' syrup.

Titch has not had a role change, his confidence looks devoid around winning contested ball, he's still a magnet. I'd argue the game has had a cause and effect on him.

Lmao what are you even saying, here I'll make it easy for you. Do you think Rowell is going to average 26 touches, 8 tackles and 1.5 goals a game to keep his inflated 124 average? Or do you think a guy who purely wins contested ball might win it 22-24 times, 6 tackles and maybe 0.5 goals a game, in line with 90% of midfielders who kick goals - remember, Rowell doesn't rest forward, his goals came purely from stoppages. That alone would see a huge drop in points, not to mention the SC luxury scaling tax he was afforded last year.

LOL, last year he went 108 dt > 171 sc, 104 dt > 141 sc, 78 dt > 114 sc, those differences are insane, if you think it wasn't because of the weird scoring and scaling last year then you are off your rocker. Don't get me wrong I LOVE Matt Rowell, I just don't think he's worth what I'm seeing some people consider around here.

He scored a 91 in PS from memory off about 20-25 touches. That will be his whereabouts IMO
 

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Silky23 said:
Titch has not had a role change, his confidence looks devoid around winning contested ball, he's still a magnet. I'd argue the game has had a cause and effect on him.
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Not getting involved in this 'discussion', but I've seen quite a lot about Titch all year and I just want to put it to bed...

If you look at his stats this year, and I mean all stats, both 'normal' (kicks, marks etc), and underlying "advanced" stats, they are all almost identical to his numbers in 2016.

In that year he went 105.7 AF, 104 SC.
This year, 105.1 AF, 105.8 SC.

No conspiracy about anti-KOTD, (if anything it adds credence to the assertion that their scoring system hasn't changed.)

Sorry for choosing this particular post to comment on, but some of the Titch commentary has been grinding me for a while now.

Resume... 😉
 
MrChristo said:
Not getting involved in this 'discussion', but I've seen quite a lot about Titch all year and I just want to put it to bed...

If you look at his stats this year, and I mean all stats, both 'normal' (kicks, marks etc), and underlying "advanced" stats, they are all almost identical to his numbers in 2016.

In that year he went 105.7 AF, 104 SC.
This year, 105.1 AF, 105.8 SC.

No conspiracy about anti-KOTD, (if anything it adds credence to the assertion that their scoring system hasn't changed.)

Sorry for choosing this particular post to comment on, but some of the Titch commentary has been grinding me for a while now.

Resume... 😉
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Difference is that he was in a Swans team with Parker, prime JPK, prime Hannebery, ROK and others. He also was stuck on HFF’s and was given a tagging role lots of the time. His pure midfield minutes were nowhere near what they are now. And the Hawks midfield he’s in now is pure rubbish. But yes Titch has become more of a seagull this year and isn’t winning the contested ball.. unsure why as he isn’t a very good ball user. Hawks being shit isn’t helping.
 
Silky23 said:
Difference is that he was in a Swans team with Parker, prime JPK, prime Hannebery, ROK and others. He also was stuck on HFF’s and was given a tagging role lots of the time. His pure midfield minutes were nowhere near what they are now. And the Hawks midfield he’s in now is pure rubbish. But yes Titch has become more of a seagull this year and isn’t winning the contested ball.. unsure why as he isn’t a very good ball user. Hawks being sh*t isn’t helping.
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2016?
I happened to be at the GF that year.
I don't think he was... 😉

Wait, he was!! Wtf?! 😂
Sorry.
 
Silky23 said:
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He left for the Hawks in 2017 lmao
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The amount of times I've watched that game and seemingly never noticed him! Lol. 😂
(To be fair to him about the only 2 Swans I can immediately think of are Buddy and Hanners... For obvious reasons... 😉)
 

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Pendles had 20 CBA's on the weekend and 12 in round 11, nothing for a few weeks before that. Pendles back in the middle and we win a couple of games. Pendlegoat for $425k post bye, you could do a lot worse...
 
stevebbb said:
Pendles had 20 CBA's on the weekend and 12 in round 11, nothing for a few weeks before that. Pendles back in the middle and we win a couple of games. Pendlegoat for $425k post bye, you could do a lot worse...
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Tay be back as well
But
Who knows what Harvs will do yet
 
A Bit Dusty said:
The old Double Roughie I love it :hearteyes:

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This bullshit. Too many low bars being set on the roughie maneuver this year. There’s a reason it’s only occurred once in 5-6 years. It’s hard to do. And all you pretenders aren’t there yet.

THAT is not a double roughie. A roughie is trade out based on form and then trade back in. He hasn‘t even done a single roughy yet; he’s traded him out but not back in.

Judd_Magic
 
Jiska said:
This bullshit. Too many low bars being set on the roughie maneuver this year. There’s a reason it’s only occurred once in 5-6 years. It’s hard to do. And all you pretenders aren’t there yet.

THAT is not a double roughie. A roughie is trade out based on form and then trade back in. He hasn‘t even done a single roughy yet; he’s traded him out but not back in.

Judd_Magic
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You watch me do a quadruple roughy if Jelly goes back to playing half forward, Cameron gets sacked then Jelly plays midfield again.

But yes you are correct Uncle Jiska
 
HTPunter said:
You're arguing a dip and then saying yes there are outliers and reeling off half a dozen names. Some have gone up, some have gone down.

And yes Titch has had a role change.

Doesn't mean Rowell is a good pick but it's not because he scored well in the bubble games and Gawns average dropped 14 too....
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