Opinion 2021 Non-Crows AFL 3: Things Fall Apart!

[Tas]

Gold Coast did try and be smart and it backfired, but it was also a bit duplicitous of Greenwood too to take advantage of the situation like he did.

The problem for me is that i am just not completely buying the "nothing to see here" mindset that's coming from the Vic media. I'd be willing to bet that the narrative would completely different had it have been Adelaide/Sydney or West Coast doing this to one of the Victorian clubs.

Can you come up with any examples of when the Victorian media has had bias in a similar manner? I have seen comments similar to this a fair bit but nobody every substantiates it with some evidence where the Victorian media is biased against a different state. I can give you heaps of examples when they haven't been, like the many rorts Sydney have abused and the AFL has had to clean up loopholes afterwards. Nobody is changing the rules because 29 year old Greenwood is moving clubs.

All clubs are well aware of the rules and know the risks of delisting a player, even if the intent is to rookie them. The player is under no commitment to remain and can accept any contract put to him by any other club without any further consultation with his existing club required. They are effectively a free agent up until the cut-off period.

We didn't plan it, our coach was in Adelaide catching up with JHF and our SA based players when his wife alerted him to Greenwood being delisted. We have a fairly large pool of money in our TPP we use to bring contracts forward, which is done before final list lodgement, so we had scope to pick him up. We had moved Polec ourselves to the rookie list in a similar manner to make some extra room to take Archer's son as a late father/son pick. Any other club was free to poach Polec from us... for the love of god, somebody screw us over and take Polec... please.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Can you come up with any examples of when the Victorian media has had bias in a similar manner? I have seen comments similar to this a fair bit but nobody every substantiates it with some evidence where the Victorian media is biased against a different state. I can give you heaps of examples when they haven't been, like the many rorts Sydney have abused and the AFL has had to clean up loopholes afterwards. Nobody is changing the rules because 29 year old Greenwood is moving clubs.

All clubs are well aware of the rules and know the risks of delisting a player, even if the intent is to rookie them. The player is under no commitment to remain and can accept any contract put to him by any other club without any further consultation with his existing club required. They are effectively a free agent up until the cut-off period.

We didn't plan it, our coach was in Adelaide catching up with JHF and our SA based players when his wife alerted him to Greenwood being delisted. We have a fairly large pool of money in our TPP we use to bring contracts forward, which is done before final list lodgement, so we had scope to pick him up. We had moved Polec ourselves to the rookie list in a similar manner to make some extra room to take Archer's son as a late father/son pick. Any other club was free to poach Polec from us... for the love of god, somebody screw us over and take Polec... please.

Oh I am glad you asked.

In Adelaide v Geelong games in 2015, Dangerfield's last year at Adelaide, commentators spent every Crows games telling the world how much Chris Scott was going to love this at Geelong next year, this before an announcement was made. Crows fans had to put up with this for all 22 games. Then when it came to him leaving, we were told by all sections of the media that he had served the crows well and how dare we demand a trade.

The discussions of the king brothers reuniting at St Kilda rather then at the Gold Coast is my modern day fav of bias.

There is no doubt in my mind that had the Greenwood situation happen in reverse, the Vic centric AFL media would be smashing Gold Coast and Greenwood for breaking the spirit of the rule. Notice how according to the media, North nor Greenwood did nothing wrong? Everything is Gold Coasts fault.

 

[GROTTO]

Can you come up with any examples of when the Victorian media has had bias in a similar manner?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

How many can you name?

 

[jo172]

Would be kind of funny if our interpretation of Noble as being a bit meek was wrong and he's actually totally ruthless.

Can you come up with any examples of when the Victorian media has had bias in a similar manner? I have seen comments similar to this a fair bit but nobody every substantiates it with some evidence where the Victorian media is biased against a different state. I can give you heaps of examples when they haven't been, like the many rorts Sydney have abused and the AFL has had to clean up loopholes afterwards. Nobody is changing the rules because 29 year old Greenwood is moving clubs.

All clubs are well aware of the rules and know the risks of delisting a player, even if the intent is to rookie them. The player is under no commitment to remain and can accept any contract put to him by any other club without any further consultation with his existing club required. They are effectively a free agent up until the cut-off period.

We didn't plan it, our coach was in Adelaide catching up with JHF and our SA based players when his wife alerted him to Greenwood being delisted. We have a fairly large pool of money in our TPP we use to bring contracts forward, which is done before final list lodgement, so we had scope to pick him up. We had moved Polec ourselves to the rookie list in a similar manner to make some extra room to take Archer's son as a late father/son pick. Any other club was free to poach Polec from us... for the love of god, somebody screw us over and take Polec... please.

The time when the age took an editorial position of all things demanding the crows lose draft picks because 12 players played kick to kick on a golf course is my favourite

And it was the usually sensible ones like Daniel Cherney too.

Not in a million years does that coverage happen to a side east of Albury and south of Mildura

 

[adelaidecrows]

How many can you name?

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The middle one Symes?

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[Fivel_79]

How many can you name?

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Shannon Hurn, Brad Symes, Jay Nash and Sam Butler?

 

[Scorpus]

My example of Victorian media bias is when the collective AFL media tried to get Essendon off a drug cheating accusation, minimizing the scope of the program, looking to absolve the players for taking banned drugs, and then welcoming back the drug cheats with open arms (or in the case of Jobe Watson, commentating jobs).

Meanwhile the same media accused us of harming player health and welfare with our ill-fated camp, wanting us investigated and sanctioned for a situation orders of magnitude less serious. Oh and also some said we should receive draft sanctions for breaching Covid rules - the same level of sanction given to a club found guilty of drug cheating at the highest court in sport (a club still allowed to receive pick 1 during a year the majority of their squad were banned from playing)

 

[Scorpus]

Oh and another example: the championing of the current system of playing every grand final at the MCG, despite clearly disadvantaging non-Victorian clubs, while dismissing almost every solution or criticism

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

Can you come up with any examples of when the Victorian media has had bias in a similar manner? I have seen comments similar to this a fair bit but nobody every substantiates it with some evidence where the Victorian media is biased against a different state. I can give you heaps of examples when they haven't been, like the many rorts Sydney have abused and the AFL has had to clean up loopholes afterwards. Nobody is changing the rules because 29 year old Greenwood is moving clubs.

Crows lose GF. Tex gives standard short losing captains speech and is crucified for lacking class.

Next year, Collingwood lose GF. Pendlebury gives standard short losing captains speech and not a word is said.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Can you come up with any examples of when the Victorian media has had bias in a similar manner?

Did you actually think people would struggle to find examples?

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

The camp

Gibbs: I went on worse ones with Carlton

Vic media: <crickets>

 

[spenze]

Probably every Sam Maclure article ever

 

[Slippery Pete]

How many can you name?

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Some serious hairstyles in that lot

 

[Sanders]

The camp

Gibbs: I went on worse ones with Carlton

Vic media: <crickets>

the camp was streamed into different paths, it’s entirely possible he was in the bland, vanilla stream with Sloane becoming better men, husbands and fathers.

the problem was with the other stream

 

[Tas]

Did you actually think people would struggle to find examples?

A few negative articles doesn't really make for a statewide campaign of bias, imo. Caro stick her boot into my club more or less every time she opens her mouth, it doesn't mean the media is biased against my club, it means Caro is an arseh*le.

Take the Tex Walker example, he wasn't just criticised here, he was in WA and NSW as well when comparing his speech to the NRL losing speech the same year. His speech went for 8 seconds, Pendlebury's went for 20 seconds. Both were kind of short but not comparative in length.

I don't really get the fuss regardless, who cares what the opposition has to say, all they are going to do is give a PC "taking it one week at a time" type of comment, and if they don't they will get piled on. I think the criticism of Tex lacked nuance, because he was feeling the emotion of the loss and different people take it better or worse than others, I am sure his own performance compounded his emotional state at the time. I think it highlights that the media tends to be negative towards players who buck that trend of being a bit different. They complain that footballers don't show any personality but they pile on when someone is a bit different.

The media is chasing clicks, a "feel good" Crows story probably isn't going to get a lot of eyes on the article in Victoria from the broader community, people are attracted to criticism and bad news like people are attracted to road accidents, everyone slows down to have a look. Similar, I would imagine if I scoured news articles in WA or SA about North, they would probably lead towards the negative outside of general football news. I don't take Cornes saying the AFL should relocate us as being a SA campaign of bias against my club, Cornes is just dumb and doesn't even realise the AFL doesn't have that power. He may not even really believe that or give a shit, it is just far more likely to get traction than saying anything positive.

I think probably the biggest criticism of Victorian AFL media is the lack of representation, most of the SA media people who frequent our papers/airwaves are generally associated with Port, like Cornes, Tredrea and the apparently unbiased Rucci. I don't think it would be significantly different in SA or WA in terms of lack of representation of Vic journalists, but there is the expectation that the media here needs to be better represented than any other state.

 

[Klug]

A few negative articles doesn't really make for a statewide campaign of bias, imo. Caro stick her boot into my club more or less every time she opens her mouth, it doesn't mean the media is biased against my club, it means Caro is an a-hole.

Take the Tex Walker example, he wasn't just criticised here, he was in WA and NSW as well when comparing his speech to the NRL losing speech the same year. His speech went for 8 seconds, Pendlebury's went for 20 seconds. Both were kind of short but not comparative in length.

I don't really get the fuss regardless, who cares what the opposition has to say, all they are going to do is give a PC "taking it one week at a time" type of comment, and if they don't they will get piled on. I think the criticism of Tex lacked nuance, because he was feeling the emotion of the loss and different people take it better or worse than others, I am sure his own performance compounded his emotional state at the time. I think it highlights that the media tends to be negative towards players who buck that trend of being a bit different. They complain that footballers don't show any personality but they pile on when someone is a bit different.

The media is chasing clicks, a "feel good" Crows story probably isn't going to get a lot of eyes on the article in Victoria from the broader community, people are attracted to criticism and bad news like people are attracted to road accidents, everyone slows down to have a look. Similar, I would imagine if I scoured news articles in WA or SA about North, they would probably lead towards the negative outside of general football news. I don't take Cornes saying the AFL should relocate us as being a SA campaign of bias against my club, Cornes is just dumb and doesn't even realise the AFL doesn't have that power. He may not even really believe that or give a sh*t, it is just far more likely to get traction than saying anything positive.

I think probably the biggest criticism of Victorian AFL media is the lack of representation, most of the SA media people who frequent our papers/airwaves are generally associated with Port, like Cornes, Tredrea and the apparently unbiased Rucci. I don't think it would be significantly different in SA or WA in terms of lack of representation of Vic journalists, but there is the expectation that the media here needs to be better represented than any other state.

It's far from a "few negative articles".

The Vic media is entitled to be parochial when broadcasting to their own audience.

However the issue is that the worst offenders carry these same unbalanced views into national TV, radio and internet.

The biggest bias is seen annually everytime a VIC player is enticed to come home, their narrative is always "wouldn't it be great for the game".

However when the reverse happens and a player wants to leave a Vic side an return home the narrative changes to "ungrateful, disloyal" etc, with the media supporting the ridiculous trades requested to a allow a player to leave (eg Kelly to West Coast)

 

[moogerfooger]

I think probably the biggest criticism of Victorian AFL media is the lack of representation

I think this is what most here are really talking about. The media representation and media focus hasn't changed a lot since the VFL days and when it has, it has generally been token. For a national sport, it really is annoying to have 100% of the national media based in one city mostly catering for viewers and listeners in the same city. The only serious coverage "interstate" clubs - just the fact that's even a term gives the game away - receive is when they're in turmoil.

 

[kirky]

Crows lose GF. Tex gives standard short losing captains speech and is crucified for lacking class.

Next year, Collingwood lose GF. Pendlebury gives standard short losing captains speech and not a word is said.

Now that was a classic double standard.

I look forward to the positive press when Tex returns in round 4 .

 

[GROTTO]

A few negative articles doesn't really make for a statewide campaign of bias, imo.

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

We’ll get a great sample over the next 12 months when it will be gushing over Ben King

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coming to a big Melbourne club vs disloyal charlatans Rankosius cutting and running like babies.

 

[Geoffa32]

How was he shafted, he was guaranteed to be drafted back in same terms plus the opportunity to snare a better deal and not have the hassle of the new club having to negotiate a trade.

Delisting a best 22 and senior player, regardless of promising to redraft them is shafting him.

They assumed no one wanted him, he must have felt about that.


The end result probably says more about how Greenwood felt about it than the (no doubt) Suns PT team directed Tweet he put up.

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[Bearded Clam]

Shouldn't judge peoples Faith the way you are.

Glad to see you’ve finally plucked up the courage to come back and join the conversation..

paid up on that bet with Crow Till I Die yet?..

Theres not much thats lower in society than someone who doesnt pay up when they lose a bet..

as for judging peoples faith.. i’ve been around religious people all my life.. the most judgmental, hypocritical and self-righteous people I have known have all been deeply religious nutters.

Will say I’ve met plenty of those who follow a religion that arent like this.. but they tend to be the ones who dont get all fanatical when it comes to their faith.

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

Delisting a best 22 and senior player, regardless of promising to redraft them is shafting him.

They assumed no one wanted him, he must have felt about that.


The end result probably says more about how Greenwood felt about it than the (no doubt) Suns PT team directed Tweet he put up.

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I think that tweet was all Greenwood. He’s got form in being a smart arse on Twitter.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Give me some examples of Vic media bias.

No, not those examples.