Analysis 2021 trade thread

[Jon Brown]

Can we afford the upward of 400k price tag?

Hawks may pay some of his salary considering they’re trying to offload a contracted player.

 

[pod17]

Now that Archie is gone, at minimum we're looking for a proper backup ruck, unless we plan to have Fullarton be the full-time ruck if Oscar ever gets injured or suspended, which I don't think would be wise. I wonder if we're actually looking for someone who can perform both roles though, since Fullarton hasn't fully established himself as the Hipwood replacement either. How does Ceglar go up forward? Haven't paid a lot of attention to that part of his game.

Yes, true. I think you're probably right - probably someone to perform both roles.

Fages played Oscar and Stef in tandem, with Stef doing the primary rucking and Oscar providing relief with more time spent forward. I guess that was before Daniher, so not sure if that changes his mindset, but you'd think he'd at least explore that arrangement again. That's why I don't mind the idea of Cox /Casboult, with Oscar as the main man (if we can't get Ceglar).

Again, cap permitting, but getting Cox/Casboult might not mean we don't look at a backup primary ruck like Fort so we can persist with that two ruck structure in the event that Oscar goes down.

Ceglar is pretty handy up forward for a big guy. No Brad Ottens, but serviceable. I think him and Oscar aren't too far apart in terms of their forward half ability. He showed in 2016 he could play that back up role to McEvoy.

 

[MacMum]

Jack Gunston

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Jack Gunston

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was mentioned as a trade for us this morning on SEN with Kane Cornes

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.......said probably won't happen but with our record of fixing older players from other clubs would be a good move for both.

 

[briztoon]

Hawks may pay some of his salary considering they’re trying to offload a contracted player.

Hawks are going to want one of our first round picks if they’re paying part of his salary.

 

[KennyP#42]

Jack Gunston was mentioned as a trade for us this morning on SEN with Kane Cornes.......said probably won't happen but with our record of fixing older players from other clubs would be a good move for both.

Dream scenario IMO… but from observing the chat, doubt we can afford him - hawks feel like paying any? Haha

 

[BangyBangy]

Hawks are going to want one of our first round picks if they’re paying part of his salary.

I doubt they'd be asking for a first round pick for a 30 year old ruckman even if they were paying part of his salary.

Maybe they'd ask whichever team Gubby Allen is now working for, but only in hope.

 

[twhowler]

Interesting times.

Ceglar seems a very different proposition to Fort. To get Ceglar, aside from pick needed and salary cap, you would assume he would need to be told he will be a default selection as long as he is playing well. And I think from Fagan if he tells you that, you trust him. If he can go to the Dogs and be their number 1 man, why would he come to us to play ressies?

So if we do get Ceglar, I would assume Ceglar main ruck, Oscar to play mainly forward with Daniher and McStay. Which makes it interesting if / when Hippy comes back next year. Who gets dropped?!? Maybe the plan would be well if it comes to that in round 18, it's survival of the fittest. And having cover is always good - there is every chance at least one of Ceglar, Hipwood, McStay, McInerney, Daniher is not fit for every game once Hippy returns.

If we get / end up with Fort instead, it would be less certain what we would do from round 1.
Could be that Fort is backup, so Oscar ruck, Daniher and McStay as locks for forward, and third forward is any of Fullarton, Lester, Andrews, depending on how radical we get.
Or if Fort impresses in the ruck and we figure Oscar is our third best key forward, it's Fort as ruck, with Daniher, Oscar, McStay as forwards. Fort and Oscar might be a 50/50 ruck sharing basis, with 20% bench time for each.

On balance I would prefer Ceglar approach. It gives us more genuine options both in terms of set-up and injury cover. It shouldn't cost us too much, so it's a slightly more aggresive approach for a flag in 2022 while not going all in and hurting our changes in 2023 onwards. But if we are competing with the Dogs i am not sure we can pull it off. The main downside would it would really put Fullarton on the backburner. I think he could be quite good. But you can't make decisions based on developing a player. Ceglar is 31 in Feb so Fullarton could be told don't worry, you will get your time.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Again, cap permitting, but getting Cox/Casboult might not mean we don't look at a backup primary ruck like Fort so we can persist with that two ruck structure in the event that Oscar goes down.

Even if the cap permits, the number of available list spots might not. Unless the club are willing to let go of all three of Joyce, Ballenden and Brock Smith. But we might be short on key defender depth then.

Ceglar is pretty handy up forward for a big guy. No Brad Ottens, but serviceable. I think him and Oscar aren't too far apart in terms of their forward half ability. He showed in 2016 he could play that back up role to McEvoy.

Good enough for me. I'm on board with him if he fits in the cap, then.

 

[Big Sauce 21]

Ceglar should be a main ruck, Could see him going to the Dogs. Doubt he'd come here.

 

[BangyBangy]

Ceglar should be a main ruck, Could see him going to the Dogs. Doubt he'd come here.

They'll have their work cut out for them to make it happen with an early selection expected for Darcy. Guess it depends what they get in for Lipinski, and if any other players are traded out. Should've taken the Dunkley trade last year, reckon they'll regret that one.

 

[mattsmob]

I don't mind Ceglar if we can afford him salary wise but if we need to give up significantly more value in picks I'd rather just go with Fort I think. Not sure what Ceglar would be worth in a trade but I wouldn't want to be giving up much more than a third rounder.

 

[bungalow_bill]

They'll have their work cut out for them to make it happen with an early selection expected for Darcy. Guess it depends what they get in for Lipinski, and if any other players are traded out. Should've taken the Dunkley trade last year, reckon they'll regret that one.

What were they offered?

In terms of missed trades didn't Melbourne offer pick 2 for Rocky a few years back or was it just rumor?

 

[BangyBangy]

What were they offered?

In terms of missed trades didn't Melbourne offer pick 2 for Rocky a few years back or was it just rumor?

Pick 8 & 2021 2nd rounder I think was the rejected offer. Maybe holding out for two top 10's or something silly that was never going to happen.

No idea about Rocky.

 

[JasRulz63]

In terms of missed trades didn't Melbourne offer pick 2 for Rocky a few years back or was it just rumor?

Quite sure Dean Warren at the time confirmed we received and rejected that trade offer. Quite sure it was in 2013 (the "go home 5" trade period), and Rocky was All-Australian the year after.

 

[BRAB]

Quite sure Dean Warren at the time confirmed we received and rejected that trade offer. Quite sure it was in 2013 (the "go home 5" trade period), and Rocky was All-Australian the year after.

Let's pretend it was 2014.

We missed out on Christian Petracca!

 

[JasRulz63]

Let's pretend it was 2014.

We missed out on Christian Petracca!

Pick 2 in 2013 was Josh Kelly who goes alright!

 

[lioninthesand]

Ceglar doesent work. Unless he or Oscar are prepared to play ressies when Hipwood is back.

That's why Fort works, he is a back up ruck who can be used in hipwoods absence if we chose to.

Please spare me the hypothetical scenario where 5 talls forward of center works out, it would be at the expense of a mid/winger - we are slow enough as it is.

 

[Dalions]

What were they offered?

In terms of missed trades didn't Melbourne offer pick 2 for Rocky a few years back or was it just rumor?

Should have seriously considered that pick 2 that Melbourne were offering for Rocky.
Might have been the pick they took Pettacca with?

 

[bungalow_bill]

Pick 2 in 2013 was Josh Kelly who goes alright!

Eventually traded for pick 9 which was used on Salem. Melbourne dodged a bullet

 

[BangyBangy]

Should have seriously considered that pick 2 that Melbourne were offering for Rocky.
Might have been the pick they took Pettacca with?

Might have left after two years anyway. Imagine how bad we would've been without Rocky.

 

[mpal6]

Ceglar with Oscar would be an interesting pairing - as they are both capable at center bounce and in forward line.

My worry is Ceglar move would be at a higher price point - both salary as well as trade capital wise. Not sure if we can afford it.

 

[mpal6]

Ceglar doesent work. Unless he or Oscar are prepared to play ressies when Hipwood is back.

That's why Fort works, he is a back up ruck who can be used in hipwoods absence if we chose to.

Please spare me the hypothetical scenario where 5 talls forward of center works out, it would be at the expense of a mid/winger - we are slow enough as it is.

If Ceglar and Oscar are having good seasons coinciding with Hipwood's return, that'll be a good problem to have in my view. We were at the other end of that scale this year and struggled badly with no second and third tall cover.

That being said, Ceglar would be too expensive trade wise compared to Fort. This will be a challenge to get done.

 

[Jon Brown]

Hawks are going to want one of our first round picks if they’re paying part of his salary.

Not what they’re saying on the Hawks board.

 

[Dalions]

Ceglar with Oscar would be an interesting pairing - as they are both capable at center bounce and in forward line.

My worry is Ceglar move would be at a higher price point - both salary as well as trade capital wise. Not sure if we can afford it.

You would think we might have to sign him up for 3 to get him here.
So could ultimately be at the expense of a Lane or Smith or even Fullarton or Payne.

 

[Nunez]

If Ceglar and Oscar are having good seasons coinciding with Hipwood's return, that'll be a good problem to have in my view. We were at the other end of that scale this year and struggled badly with no second and third tall cover.

That being said, Ceglar would be too expensive trade wise compared to Fort. This will be a challenge to get done.

If we want Ceglar we could get it done.