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PhatBoy said:
All time greats off the top of my head

Martin
Ablett
Ablett
Franklin
S Johnson
S Milne
J Kennedy
J Kennedy
Dunstall
Lockett
Modra
Pavlich
Riewoldt
Riewoldt
Johnathon Brown
Tredrea
Williams
Healy
Matera
Jakovich
Silvagni
Harvey
Harvey
Carey
Archer
Fletcher
Scarlett
Enright
Doull
Kernahan
Koutoufides
Roos
Stynes
Gawn
Fox
Cousins
Voss
Black
Akermanis
Lynch
Richardson
Wanganeen
Hird
Buckley
Ricciuto
Judd
Fyfe
Glass
Rance
Hawkins

There’s 50 straight up that I’ve seen.

Tuck
Grant
Liberatore
Platten
Hocking
Diperdomenico
Brereton
Ayers
Couch
Bartel
Selwood
Dangerfield
Goddard
Salmon
Madden
Jarman
Hart
Crawford
Goodes
Hall

Thats 70

Jesaulenko
Cazaly
Langford
Walls
Stewart
Matthews
Hudson
Coleman
Whitten
Newman
Goggin
Farmer
Bunton
Skilton
Fanning
Coventry
Bartlett
Flower
Wade
Blight
Quinlan
Dempsey
Round
Murray
Moore
Greig
Templeton
Dyer
Reynolds
Robran



There’s another 30.

That’s just off the top of my head there’d be dozens and dozens I’ve missed.

I have a book that Mike Sheahan was heavily involved in where he named his 100 best ever and I’m sure I’m probably missing heaps
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Indeed, there are certainly some very big names missed which only emphasises the point. Just a few of the names I would definately have over some of those in your list (In gact, I would change about 40-50% if doing an all time top 100):

Ron Barassi
Malcolm Blight
John Nicholls
Barry Cable
Len Thompson
Dean Cox (although you have Fox so maybe that's him)
Matthew Lloyd
Harold Vallence
Jack Regan
Albert Collier
Peter McKenna
Andrew McLeod
Luke Hodge
Darrell Baldock
Sam Mitchell
Francis Bourke
Jack Clarke
Bob Rose
Bill Hutchison
Bernie Smith
Scott Pendlebury
Kelvin Moore (you have a Moore but I assumed Peter)
Terry Daniher
Dick Lee
Ivor Warne Smith

are the first 25 names that I would have in my 100 over some of those mentioned. That's not including superstars that didn't play/dominate VFL/AFL such as Stephen Michael, Garry McIntosh, Russell Ebert, Neal Kerley, etc, etc and heaps of other names I can think of straight away that should make it too.

Just goes to show that even the top 100 is a very high standard.
 
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Guardian Hawk said:
Indeed, there are certainly some very big names missed which only emphasises the point. Just a few of the names I would definately have over some of those in your list (In gact, I would change about 40-50% if doing an all time top 100):

Ron Barassi
Malcolm Blight
John Nicholls
Barry Cable
Len Thompson
Dean Cox (although you have Fox so maybe that's him)
Matthew Lloyd
Harold Vallence
Jack Regan
Albert Collier
Peter McKenna
Andrew McLeod
Luke Hodge
Darrell Baldock
Sam Mitchell
Francis Bourke
Jack Clarke
Bob Rose
Bill Hutchison
Bernie Smith
Scott Pendlebury
Kelvin Moore (you have a Moore but I assumed Peter)
Terry Daniher
Dick Lee
Ivor Warne Smith

are the first 25 names that I would have in my 100 over some of those mentioned. That's not including superstars that didn't play/dominate VFL/AFL such as Stephen Michael, Garry McIntosh, Russell Ebert, Neal Kerley, etc, etc and heaps of other names I can think of straight away that should make it too.

Just goes to show that even the top 100 is a very high standard.
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100 per cent and none of the players mentioned were deliberately missed - yes Fox was supposed to be Cox and I think literally the only one of those names that actually popped into my head that I kind of dismissed was Terry Daniher but if he was considered that good then fair enough
 
PhatBoy said:
100 per cent and none of the players mentioned were deliberately missed - yes Fox was supposed to be Cox and I think literally the only one of those names that actually popped into my head that I kind of dismissed was Terry Daniher but if he was considered that good then fair enough
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Yep, there has been so much quality and it's easy to forget some of the past champions of our game.

Terry Daniher is indeed borderline if I did a top 100 of every player ever but he was definately in the mix as a very high quality player.

Was an amazing utility - able to play CHB, CHF, on a flank, in the midfield and do everything to a high standard (think like an old school Adam Goodes).

Played over 300 games despite being an 80's KPP and having his fair share of injuries. Kicked just shy of 500 goals despite spending a large potion of his career at CHB (and never being FF when CHF was a completely different position).

Won the league MVP in 1983. Made the All Australian team 3 times (including as captain; remembering it was still the Carnival era). Won B&F's. Captained his club for 6 years. Was a key member of back to back flags.

Given how high the bar is - would still only feature in the back end of the top 100 if he makes it but I would definately have him over some of the names in your initial go, including some of his contemporaries (Dipper, Libba as well as Milne, Goddard, Cazaly, etc.).
 

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Guardian Hawk said:
Yep, there has been so much quality and it's easy to forget some of the past champions of our game.

Terry Daniher is indeed borderline if I did a top 100 of every player ever but he was definately in the mix as a very high quality player.

Was an amazing utility - able to play CHB, CHF, on a flank, in the midfield and do everything to a high standard (think like an old school Adam Goodes).

Played over 300 games despite being an 80's KPP and having his fair share of injuries. Kicked just shy of 500 goals despite spending a large potion of his career at CHB (and never being FF when CHF was a completely different position).

Won the league MVP in 1983. Made the All Australian team 3 times (including as captain; remembering it was still the Carnival era). Won B&F's. Captained his club for 6 years. Was a key member of back to back flags.

Given how high the bar is - would still only feature in the back end of the top 100 if he makes it but I would definately have him over some of the names in your initial go, including some of his contemporaries (Dipper, Libba as well as Milne, Goddard, Cazaly, etc.).
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And he’s the closest thing to an AFL star from my home town (Forbes, about 90 minutes from Ungarie lol)
 
Falcon3518 said:
Who cares.

But nice dodge of the question, did you see Polly play live or not? Pretty safe to assume no. So I don’t think you know how good he actually is either.


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My Dad saw him play. Barassi too. Wade. Stewart. Witten.

Said Polly was insanely quick with the ball and Whitten was a beast. Well deserved legends.

Polly literally changed the way ruckmen were played. That is how you earn legend status.
 
Guardian Hawk said:
It's really not impossible actually.

You'd be surprised how many names your criteria adds to the list, rather than removes.

For example, the MVP has only existed for less than a third of the time the competition has been running but if winning an MVP gets you in, then aside from those already named in his 100, you would have to add:

Terry Daniher
Russell Greene
Darren Millane
Luke Darcy
Corey McKernan
Dane Swan
Tom Mitchell
Patrick Cripps
Clayton Oliver
Marcus Bontempelli
Andrew Brayshaw

That's 11 extra names (out of only 30 something winners) that have to be added (you also can't remove names for not winning one if the award didn't yet exist).

I'm not doing the same with Brownlows and Norm Smiths because that would ligitamately add another 60+ names. Just choosing one of those awards (Norm Smith) since the year 2000, you would add to his list:

Luke Shuey
Jason Johannisen
Cyril Rioli
Brian Lake
Ryan O'Keefe
Jimmy Bartel
Scott Pendlebury
Paul Chapman
Andre Embley
Byron Pickett
Shaun Hart

That's another 11 names just from the last 20 odd years.

The bar for top 30/50/100 is higher than you think (and some of the above names clearly should not be on it)
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I don’t think your logic is quite right. I’m only referring to the players that PB initially gave. So it is impossible to add when I am saying to remove. You seem to be adding new players to the list.


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HairyO said:
My Dad saw him play. Barassi too. Wade. Stewart. Witten.

Said Polly was insanely quick with the ball and Whitten was a beast. Well deserved legends.

Polly literally changed the way ruckmen were played. That is how you earn legend status.
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Yeah I agree but that doesn’t necessarily mean he’s better than players today. I’d take Gawn tbh.


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Falcon3518 said:
Girl OD’d doing drugs with him. Did the boogeyman do it? The point of cover ups is that you don’t know who did it. Thought that’d be obvious.


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The incident was investigated and he was exonerated.
No one condones what happened or has forgotten, we have a judicial process for a reason. Darren Milburn killed someone on his way to training one day. Things happen that can’t be undone, but we live in a country with an established process of investigation and legal accountability.

Leave it.
 
PhatBoy said:
The incident was investigated and he was exonerated.
No one condones what happened or has forgotten, we have a judicial process for a reason. Darren Milburn killed someone on his way to training one day. Things happen that can’t be undone, but we live in a country with an established process of investigation and legal accountability.

Leave it.
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Yeah I don’t care. These guys brought up the Dusty thing to troll as usual.


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Ablett Sr was always a relatively different and at times troubled man and as little as he seemed to care about it at times the only thing grounding him was football - he retired once and lasted less than a year before he returned to it. Without it as happens to many ex sporting stars he had nothing left filling the void and he went off the rails. Unfortunately it impacted not only him and his family but contributed to robbing another one of someone they loved. It could have easily happened to Ben Cousins, Wayne Carey or Andrew Johns or whoever.

GAS at least has reached the point where he cleaned his life up and ultimately he has paid a price that the parents of someone else had to pay: he’s watched one of his children die.

Life doesn’t give you the chance to take back things you’ve done that have hurt others. But it does give you the chance to learn from those mistakes and at the very least try and not make them again.

He’s a dad, a son, a grandfather who may well have to watch his grandson leave this earth prematurely as well based on what little information the public has about Levi Ablett.

Nothing gets achieved by dragging up his past any time a discussion about great AFL players gets started
 
Falcon3518 said:
Well who was it then?


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So you didn’t see it live, you’re just going on what other people have said?

Even more interesting. Kinda makes a mockery of your initial stance about an inability to judge things you didn’t see live, ie; past greats of the game.. :embarrassedv1:
 
I’m not arguing here Falcon I’m just curious that’s all - what is it that makes you think it was some sort of cover up?

Entertainment is littered with examples of very similar things happening: breaking bad and pulp fiction are two obvious ones, and these are based on research on drug culture and real life incidents.

Two consenting adults - she was 20 when it happened, not a teenager - go on a drug binge and one wakes up and one doesn’t. Doesn’t make it right, quite obviously, and doesn’t undo what happened, but why do you find it so hard to believe the coroner’s findings??
 
Guardian Hawk said:
Incidentally, Jim Main (quality football writer IMO) revised his top 100 of all time (from his original book) in 2013:

Here is a link to his list:

Australian Football - Revisiting the 100 greatest players

australianfootball.com australianfootball.com

(P.S Terry Daniher makes this list but still borderline IMO)
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Some surprising inclusions and omissions, imo.

I loved Stan Alves and Carl Ditterich, but there's no way they're in ahead of the likes of Flower, Daicos, Peter Matera and the great Garry Wilson. Alves was a couple of rungs below those 3. Greg Wells was a better player than Alves. Alves is an extraordinary inclusion.

Ross Smith, David Parkin, Ken Fraser, Barry Davis, and John Rantall are other questionable selections. Especially Parkin.

None of my comments demean these great players, btw, just all opinions.

I haven't looked over it with a fine tooth comb, so I'm sure there are others that would raise an eyebrow with heavier scrutiny.

EDIT: Craig Bradley was a terrific player, but he's another that doesn't make it ahead of a few I've mentioned.
 
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STPer18 said:
Lynch with two costly misses in the last quarter, one from basically on the goal line. AA selectors justified methinks.
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You can't play two decent games and expect to make the side.
 

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