Discussion 2022 General AFL Discussion

[Dr Spaceman]

Don't be such a doubter , as someone who has spent a fair bit of time on Anti Inflammatory drugs I can tell you they are way more effective if you crush them up and sniff them up your snout

Well you do seem to spend a fair bit of time in the toilet at the pub pre game

Especially around the time when it’s your shout

 

[AirWinmar]

LOL - it makes no sense at all if you don't want/can't afford the bloke

Yeah agree, we need to go after players we need not take anyone we can get. Richmond is going after Hopper, he is contracted and not a free agent. Melbourne is after Grundy, etc. Hanners was a need tho, his body was just cooked. Hill was also a need as we needed outside run and good i50 foot skills at the time, our game plan by and large doesn't accommodate that tho now

 

[sunny3193]

Well you do seem to spend a fair bit of time in the toilet at the pub pre game

Especially around the time when it’s your shout

You sure that he’s not just adjusting his sanitary pad?

 

[phantom13]

I remember at the time people saying "if someone says they want to come to your club then you have to get it done, to show other players and agents that it's safe to name st kilda as your preferred destination". Still not sure I agree with that.

I think there is a degree of truth to it.

If you commit to a player and draw up a contract etc etc. and then fail to get a deal done for said player it can reflect poorly but it really depends on the player.

If we didnt get Xerri done for example i doubt anyone cares, but if we didnt get DeGoey done (and wed been VERY VERY public about wanting him) then not getting it done probably makes other big free agents a bit cautious.

We were pretty close to being that on Hill, big deal, big dollars, public comittment if we backed down it wouldnt have looked great.

Imagine if Carlton walked away from Judd (the most extreme example possible).

 

[phantom13]

Yeah agree, we need to go after players we need not take anyone we can get. Richmond is going after Hopper, he is contracted and not a free agent. Melbourne is after Grundy, etc. Hanners was a need tho, his body was just cooked. Hill was also a need as we needed outside run and good i50 foot skills at the time, our game plan by and large doesn't accommodate that tho now

It seems crazy to me that Richmond can afford (salary and trade) Hopper and Melbourne Grundy (noting Jackson would still be on his rookie contract).

Its the same as Geelong every good player linked with a trade is always linked with Geelong.

FWIW if Geelong has anything left in their budget they should be looking at Grundy (from watching Stanley on the weekend)

 

[sauce_head]

It seems crazy to me that Richmond can afford (salary and trade) Hopper and Melbourne Grundy (noting Jackson would still be on his rookie contract).

Its the same as Geelong every good player linked with a trade is always linked with Geelong.

FWIW if Geelong has anything left in their budget they should be looking at Grundy (from watching Stanley on the weekend)

There was an interesting exchange of glances between Stanley and Scott on the weekend on the bench with about 4 min left. I don’t think they see eye to eye…

 

[AirWinmar]

It seems crazy to me that Richmond can afford (salary and trade) Hopper and Melbourne Grundy (noting Jackson would still be on his rookie contract).

Its the same as Geelong every good player linked with a trade is always linked with Geelong.

FWIW if Geelong has anything left in their budget they should be looking at Grundy (from watching Stanley on the weekend)

Seeing Mason Cox play Collingwood needs to keep him - lol

 

[StFly]

Seeing Mason Cox play Collingwood needs to keep him - lol

His next pair of specs come with a gravity well, they just need to improve his reflexes and Mason will be the 600k dollar guy and no one in AFL circles will be any the wiser...

 

[gubby88]

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[DougalHoward]

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So less games than before?

 

[sauce_head]

So less games than before?

No Saturday arvo’s that aren’t “blockbusters” or Saturday almighty until the last 8 rounds.

Bit FUC ME are they having a Thursday match for at least 15 rounds?!

 

[sauce_head]

So less games than before?

The AFL will still have control of the Grand Final starting time, which it says will be an annual decision, but has made changes to its broadcast structure, with there to be Thursday night games in the first 15 rounds of the season from 2025 onwards. The same amount of games will be broadcast on free-to-air TV each season as is currently, but Fox Footy has won rights to have their own commentary teams for each game.

 

[DougalHoward]

Fox Footy has won rights to have their own commentary teams for each game.

Fox doesn't even send callers to grounds for interstate games they do it off a TV in studio

Their coverage really declined post covid

 

[Diehard Saint]

LOL - it makes no sense at all if you don't want/can't afford the bloke

The player is not going to publically nominate the club if the club hasn’t already expressed interest.
Its pretty much a handshake agreement and then it does have to get done, otherwise it doesn’t reflect well on the club.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Yeah agree, we need to go after players we need not take anyone we can get. Richmond is going after Hopper, he is contracted and not a free agent. Melbourne is after Grundy, etc. Hanners was a need tho, his body was just cooked. Hill was also a need as we needed outside run and good i50 foot skills at the time, our game plan by and large doesn't accommodate that tho now

Problem is, contracted players cost, and we need to keep our draft picks.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I think there is a degree of truth to it.

If you commit to a player and draw up a contract etc etc. and then fail to get a deal done for said player it can reflect poorly but it really depends on the player.

If we didnt get Xerri done for example i doubt anyone cares, but if we didnt get DeGoey done (and wed been VERY VERY public about wanting him) then not getting it done probably makes other big free agents a bit cautious.

We were pretty close to being that on Hill, big deal, big dollars, public comittment if we backed down it wouldnt have looked great.

Imagine if Carlton walked away from Judd (the most extreme example possible).

Free agent is one thing.
Hill is very much another.
So if we backed away it wouldn't have looked great. What we would have looked like bastards because we didn't want to pay the kitchen sink?

How do we look now that we did pay it. Would you say we look like wishy washy nice guys instead of bastards? The one that everyone else is laughing at?

I vote BASTARDS.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

The player is not going to publically nominate the club if the club hasn’t already expressed interest.
Its pretty much a handshake agreement and then it does have to get done, otherwise it doesn’t reflect well on the club.

Garbage.
If a contracted player wants to leave, and their original club want to be pricks, you are not obliged to pay just anything they ask for.

 

[phantom13]

Free agent is one thing.
Hill is very much another.
So if we backed away it wouldn't have looked great. What we would have looked like bastards because we didn't want to pay the kitchen sink?

How do we look now that we did pay it. Would you say we look like wishy washy nice guys instead of bastards? The one that everyone else is laughing at?

I vote BASTARDS.

Youre implying this is a simple yes/no binary and it’s not (and I never implied it was).

Dependent on a whole bunch of factors (the “standing” of the player, the money and length of contract, the level of public commitment to the player) a club CAN look a bit silly and might impact their ability to land other big name players if they can’t get a deal done. Brad had some of those factors at play when we traded for him (we were very oublically comitted to a long term lucrative deal) but I doubt it would have impacted us too much to walk away.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Garbage.
If a contracted player wants to leave, and their original club want to be pricks, you are not obliged to pay just anything they ask for.

“Garbage”…..wow.
Pretty compelling debating skills

 

[gringo2011]

Youre implying this is a simple yes/no binary and it’s not (and I never implied it was).

Dependent on a whole bunch of factors (the “standing” of the player, the money and length of contract, the level of public commitment to the player) a club CAN look a bit silly and might impact their ability to land other big name players if they can’t get a deal done. Brad had some of those factors at play when we traded for him (we were very oublically comitted to a long term lucrative deal) but I doubt it would have impacted us too much to walk away.

Bell did everything to give us an out. He would have looked like a dick not us.

 

[George]

Bell did everything to give us an out. He would have looked like a dick not us.

Bell wanted to hold onto a player who at the time was playing at a much higher level than he is now. It's easy to say we shouldn't have gone after him in hindsight, and on that I don't even think it was a failure either. Hill's been decent but not the type of player that we had hoped. Not a complete catastrophe and it doesn't take much to look back on that period and how over the moon everyone was about bringing him to the club. Half the reason we packed out Moorabbin against the Hawks in the pre-season was to watch him.

Can guarantee if we had stuck with Acres instead then the club still would've been criticised.

 

[phantom13]

Bell wanted to hold onto a player who at the time was playing at a much higher level than he is now. It's easy to say we shouldn't have gone after him in hindsight, and on that I don't even think it was a failure either. Hill's been decent but not the type of player that we had hoped. Not a complete catastrophe and it doesn't take much to look back on that period and how over the moon everyone was about bringing him to the club. Half the reason we packed out Moorabbin against the Hawks in the pre-season was to watch him.

Can guarantee if we had stuck with Acres instead then the club still would've been criticised.

I tend to agree with this.

Only minor caveat is (and I stress this is through no fault of hills) at no point in his tenure with us has he been worth the money we paid him. Ultimately that’s the bit most saints fans are mad about. To me that’s understandable, you pay 900k you want that level of output. For a while host of reasons (many not Hills fault) that hasn’t happened.

 

[George]

I tend to agree with this.

Only minor caveat is (and I stress this is through no fault of hills) at no point in his tenure with us has he been worth the money we paid him. Ultimately that’s the bit most saints fans are mad about. To me that’s understandable, you pay 900k you want that level of output. For a while host of reasons (many not Hills fault) that hasn’t happened.

I think that is the cost of prying players out of other clubs. Not 900k but the general principle of paying more than the going rate. Not to mention we had the money to spend, similar to Hannebery at the time, and basically had to use it or lose it. It's either pay a bit overs to bring someone across or don't and then beef up players existing contracts. Better to try improve the list than give the money to the players already there IMO.

And I'm not defending it, I think we paid more than we probably needed to in both circumstances.

 

[phantom13]

I think that is the cost of prying players out of other clubs. Not 900k but the general principle of paying more than the going rate. Not to mention we had the money to spend, similar to Hannebery at the time, and basically had to use it or lose it. It's either pay a bit overs to bring someone across or don't and then beef up players existing contracts. Better to try improve the list than give the money to the players already there IMO.

And I'm not defending it, I think we paid more than we probably needed to in both circumstances.

Agreed all round. It was a unique set of circumstances.

 

[#gosaintas]

The player is not going to publically nominate the club if the club hasn’t already expressed interest.
Its pretty much a handshake agreement and then it does have to get done, otherwise it doesn’t reflect well on the club.

I more meant that if the oppo club makes the price too high that you can't afford it (picks wise) then you have to walk away