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dudeintheswamp said:
Just realised the Krygios Medvedev match is on now. Just about to start the first set tiebreaker...
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Kyrgios now up 2 sets to 1.

Only one little melt all game, not sure if I like this more mature Nick - playing great tennis though.
 
gringo2011 said:
Come on man, it was a disastrous trade in that we spent so much capital on him and wages and lost development of others for a player who didn't suit the footy Ratts wanted its to play. He should have been dropped in 2020 through poor form and we had to put him off HBF to justify a position, reports that other players were pissed off at having him getting games ahead of others etc. We are about to have to give him away cheap after getting FA out of him. To me it's worse than Hanners. At least Hanners came cheap apart from the wage and at his peak he was a star. Hill was like the fourth best player in a bottom 8 side that we paid superstar money and capital to obtain. It was one of the worst trades outside of Dayne Beams back to Collingwood or Bryce Squibbs to Adelaide.
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Watching Serong on the weekend hurts the most :’)
 

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Joffaboy said:
Absolute hyperbolic BS. Do you believe the s**t you post? Really if you think this crap you are delusional.

Hill has be OK and that's it. To say being Ok for what we paid is good is certainly not, it is very disappointing and was not a good trade. However to say it is as bad as the two highlighted makes you sound like a fool, which I know you are not. Cut the hysteria.

Hill was a bad choice however his performance hasn't been any worse than it was a Freo, which is why I thought it was a curious choice in the first place. He seemed Ok at the Hawks who were a threepeat premiership team, but was fair to Ok at Freo and Fair to OK only.

Saying we are going to give him away for cheap again is hysterical claptrap. We wont get back what we paid for him which make the original trade a poor one, however he is contracted, he wont be given away at all. if we can't get something that satisifies us he will not be traded.

Really the OOT panicked hyperbole and made up hysterical comparisons are frankly a bit embarrassing. It feels like this place is the new Facebook for such ill conceived and shockingly inaccurate rubbish.

God I would hate to be in the trenches with some of you nancy boys.
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If you are turning pick 10 and 58 and Acres (who is an outperform in the role we wanted Hill for) plus a future second rounder. Literally Kosi Pickett, Acres and second round pick and a 58. That is outrageous amounts of capital and we are hoping that North might get pick 19 so that we can grab it and pay some of his wage. I fail to see how you think that it's hyperbolic when it's a poo trade any way you slice it. Real amateur stuff considering that he was the want of the coach we had just sacked and Ratts didn't even have a use for him.

It's not panicked, it's straight out stating that you can't gloss this up to be a good trade or even a reasonable trade. Just straight poor trade and I can't see how you think it was anything but shit. Taking Pickett and keeping Acres would have had us way ahead. If we hadn't taken Howard and Ryder we get Serong or Young instead. We might not have played finals in 2020 but our rebuild would have been way ahead of where we are now. In an ideal world most would have a better full back, Ryder and Hill are probably gone and we have **** all to show for it. Acres likely gets as much as Hill in a trade even.
 
gringo2011 said:
If you are turning pick 10 and 58 and Acres (who is an outperform in the role we wanted Hill for) plus a future second rounder. Literally Kosi Pickett, Acres and second round pick and a 58. That is outrageous amounts of capital and we are hoping that North might get pick 19 so that we can grab it and pay some of his wage. I fail to see how you think that it's hyperbolic when it's a poo trade any way you slice it. Real amateur stuff considering that he was the want of the coach we had just sacked and Ratts didn't even have a use for him.

It's not panicked, it's straight out stating that you can't gloss this up to be a good trade or even a reasonable trade. Just straight poor trade and I can't see how you think it was anything but s**t. Taking Pickett and keeping Acres would have had us way ahead. If we hadn't taken Howard and Ryder we get Serong or Young instead. We might not have played finals in 2020 but our rebuild would have been way ahead of where we are now. In an ideal world most would have a better full back, Ryder and Hill are probably gone and we have * all to show for it. Acres likely gets as much as Hill in a trade even.
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the hill trade was poor. the warning signs should have been that he was contracted but we ignored that and kept going. there was no way we were not going to get that trade done.

plus in terms of list strategy, in what world does it make sense to grab an outside mid with such high collateral when the inside mids were not there yet. it was like putting the icing on the cake when the actual cake was falling apart.

the biggest winner was colin young. the next biggest winner was brad hill and blake acres. the winner after that was fremantle who couldn't believe they turned chris mayne into pick 5 and some pretty handy change.

honestly the hanners debacle and hill trade should have a huge **** off glaring light shone on it during this so called "football dept review" but i doubt it happens. i mean after all the two key parties involved in both decisions have been promoted.
 
The Hanners trade was great strategy as it meant we could use up on minimum player payment without paying our spuds more at the time. Whether he played or not was secondary to the list management benefits of not paying more than the list was worth.

Agree generally with the Hill trade sentiments. However his kicking has gotten worse since arriving, which has made the value lesser.
 
StCicatriz said:
the hill trade was poor. the warning signs should have been that he was contracted but we ignored that and kept going. there was no way we were not going to get that trade done.

plus in terms of list strategy, in what world does it make sense to grab an outside mid with such high collateral when the inside mids were not there yet. it was like putting the icing on the cake when the actual cake was falling apart.

the biggest winner was colin young. the next biggest winner was brad hill and blake acres. the winner after that was fremantle who couldn't believe they turned chris mayne into pick 5 and some pretty handy change.

honestly the hanners debacle and hill trade should have a huge * off glaring light shone on it during this so called "football dept review" but i doubt it happens. i mean after all the two key parties involved in both decisions have been promoted.
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We publicly declared that we were all in and wanted it as a promotional hit as well. The club after lancing Richo didn't back down because they'd invested so much time into it and made such a spectacle out of it. Bell gave us every opportunity to walk away from it but we just went harder at it.
 
sauce_head said:
The Hanners trade was great strategy as it meant we could use up on minimum player payment without paying our spuds more at the time. Whether he played or not was secondary to the list management benefits of not paying more than the list was worth.

Agree generally with the Hill trade sentiments. However his kicking has gotten worse since arriving, which has made the value lesser.
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His kicking is under more pressure off HBF than running in space on the wings. Acres actually improved ironically.

That's an excuse, there is nothing to make you spend the money. You can just hold it. In hindsight we probably should have been finding another Steele type who wasn't getting games. Hanners was always a gamble. Sydney weren't let him go at that age without some serious question marks.
 
Joffaboy said:
Absolute hyperbolic BS. Do you believe the s**t you post? Really if you think this crap you are delusional.

Hill has be OK and that's it. To say being Ok for what we paid is good is certainly not, it is very disappointing and was not a good trade. However to say it is as bad as the two highlighted makes you sound like a fool, which I know you are not. Cut the hysteria.

Hill was a bad choice however his performance hasn't been any worse than it was a Freo, which is why I thought it was a curious choice in the first place. He seemed Ok at the Hawks who were a threepeat premiership team, but was fair to Ok at Freo and Fair to OK only.

Saying we are going to give him away for cheap again is hysterical claptrap. We wont get back what we paid for him which make the original trade a poor one, however he is contracted, he wont be given away at all. if we can't get something that satisifies us he will not be traded.

Really the OOT panicked hyperbole and made up hysterical comparisons are frankly a bit embarrassing. It feels like this place is the new Facebook for such ill conceived and shockingly inaccurate rubbish.

God I would hate to be in the trenches with some of you nancy boys.
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Your post belongs in Facebook...you're an angry man of late. Do you do words for the week or something? I've never seen the words hyperbole and hysteria used more by a person in my life. A Thesaurus would be a good investment for you. As for trenches, you would probably need one all for yourself along with all the other characters you have rummaging about in your mind. Come to think of it you may just need you an enema. You write like a man that has been holding A LOT of stuff in.
Anyway, enough of the banter, I'll be serious for a moment.
Brad Hill, isn't a hill worth dying on. If he were property we would all be very upset at what we had paid and hoped for, compared to what has been produced and what the land is now worth. You are right about it not being Brad's fault, he is what he is...but I think a lot of us are pissed at the club. It was a stupid disruptive trade, and a bad investment.
 
tomjoad said:
Brad Hill, isn't a hill worth dying on.
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tomjoad said:
Your post belongs in Facebook...you're an angry man of late. Do you do words for the week or something? I've never seen the words hyperbole and hysteria used more by a person in my life. A Thesaurus would be a good investment for you. As for trenches, you would probably need one all for yourself along with all the other characters you have rummaging about in your mind. Come to think of it you may just need you an enema. You write like a man that has been holding A LOT of stuff in.
Anyway, enough of the banter, I'll be serious for a moment.
Brad Hill, isn't a hill worth dying on. If he were property we would all be very upset at what we had paid and hoped for, compared to what has been produced and what the land is now worth. You are right about it not being Brad's fault, he is what he is...but I think a lot of us are pissed at the club. It was a stupid disruptive trade, and a bad investment.
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Maybe read the preceeding posts before making a fool of yourself. And as for big words, I can't help it if you didn't get past 8th grade. If big words intimidate you maybe step back and reevaluate (
verb
verb: reevaluate
  1. evaluate again or differently.) your level of education. It's not my problem you are a bit uneducated.






    As for Brad Hill, maybe read what I wrote, it was a poor and disappointing and I am not happy with the club about it either, but to say it is a fiasco (sorry another of those intimidating big words) or as bad as Bryce Gibbs or Dayne Beams is plainly ludicrious (oops another word you would baulk at). If you believe it is as bad well you fall into the hysterical hyperbole group of nuffies, that need to give themselves an uppercut.

    Love Joffaboy
 

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Joffaboy said:
Maybe read the preceeding posts before making a fool of yourself. And as for big words, I can't help it if you didn't get past 8th grade. If big words intimidate you maybe step back and reevaluate (
verb
verb: reevaluate
  1. evaluate again or differently.) your level of education. It's not my problem you are a bit uneducated.






    As for Brad Hill, maybe read what I wrote, it was a poor and disappointing and I am not happy with the club about it either, but to say it is a fiasco (sorry another of those intimidating big words) or as bad as Bryce Gibbs or Dayne Beams is plainly ludicrious (oops another word you would baulk at). If you believe it is as bad well you fall into the hysterical hyperbole group of nuffies, that need to give themselves an uppercut.

    Love Joffaboy
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I used the word fiasco in my own post you blithering moron.
 
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Sully111 said:
Did he call anyone a loser though?

I thought he said we're not losers. That was his whole point.

I get it. Attitude is everything. Think a lot of our playing group could do with some lessons in that space. Look at the way Max drops his shoulders when things don't go our way.
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I'm hoping we are starting to shift in this space. 1 of the positives of the Brisbane game was we didn't allow ourselves to get bullied and we got angry and bullied them back. Normally we would have fought to hold back the tears and given up the game
 
Sully111 said:
There's more to decisions like this than just money and length of contract. Let's be honest... we're hardly an attractive proposition right now.
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Asides from that most would want to stay at their club if they love their team mates. Regardless of the money tho, you'd want to enjoy your footy, you only have so long to play the game and it's not the same as working in some job that your stuck with for most of your life
 

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