Yeah, dno why we would want a third tall, Jackson has to play that role for us
Same as Himmelberg, he has dropped off since Cameron left, then they lost Finlayson too and now Himmel plays defense
Would avoid both of them tbh
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Same as Himmelberg, he has dropped off since Cameron left, then they lost Finlayson too and now Himmel plays defense
Would avoid both of them tbh
In my opinion we're underrating him. Pretty much every time he's brought up on this thread the conversation goes 'oh he was dropped a few times this year', someone else chimes in 'he's only 192cm, he's not a tall forward' and that's the end of it.
I've been fairly vocal about my desire to grab him. However, I have conditioned that by stating I'd prefer to grab him if he falls out of contract next year as opposed to this year while in contract.
Georgiades was dropped multiple times this year but he still played 19 games. This year is the first time that he's struggled in front of goal. Kicking woes aside, the main thing is that he was creating plenty of chances for himself kicking 23.24. In his second year, he kicked 32.17. We've been crying out for a bloke who can hit the scoreboard like this. He's had a ripping start to his career. I'd back him in to fix up his goal kicking.
And as for anyone (not you CTD) that suggests he's not a key forward, I suggest you try watching him before bagging him. Plays well above his height. Go watch that highlight of him sitting on Gawn's head.
Of the young WA key forwards that are suggested as trade targets, such as McDonald and Naughton, I feel Georgiades would be the greatest value.
We don't need an exact like for like placement for Lobb, we just need some talent.
We could be playing the best game of poker you’ve ever seen. If you wanted to drive a players price up, this is exactly how you would do it..
It’s obvious Lobb is going. I think it’s a good thing, because I think the guy is just an average AFL key forward and while he will be a short term loss, I’m confident his reasonably good output this year (not amazing by any stretch, just reasonably good by AFL standards) can be made up next year by a combination of the options we have already and are bringing in.
Put it this way:
If Lobb was on either the Sydney or Geelong list, I reckon he’s sitting in the stands next week watching the game with the reserves.
He’s certainly not getting a game at Geelong unless it were as a full time ruckman and as bad as Stanley is I think he’s a more effective pure ruck than Lobb, while at Sydney Sam Reid is very underrated and was excellent today - they kinda fell apart when he went off.
Maybe he squeezes into the 22 at Sydney ahead of Logan McD, but I wouldn’t be certain of it. Logan leads well to the footy and seems an intelligent foil for the big Bud as a true third tall.
We’ll be perfectly fine without Lobb. Just try get a decent pick for him Belly.
Put it this way:
If Lobb was on either the Sydney or Geelong list, I reckon he’s sitting in the stands next week watching the game with the reserves.
He’s certainly not getting a game at Geelong unless it were as a full time ruckman and as bad as Stanley is I think he’s a more effective pure ruck than Lobb, while at Sydney Sam Reid is very underrated and was excellent today - they kinda fell apart when he went off.
Maybe he squeezes into the 22 at Sydney ahead of Logan McD, but I wouldn’t be certain of it. Logan leads well to the footy and seems an intelligent foil for the big Bud as a true third tall.
We’ll be perfectly fine without Lobb. Just try get a decent pick for him Belly.
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Have seen Alot of positive press, and comment sections full of praise for Bell & Co for standing firm and holding a player to his contract, and well Lobbs getting trashed top to bottom.
I’d never have thought Lobb would be the sacrificial lamb to put it one way, for the AFL commentators and media to make a stand against players unfulfilling their contracts. Maybe it’ll just be a one off thing, but I think this trade periods going to be a lot uglier than Colon and Lobb would have thought… Which they both absolutely deserve imo.
As many have suggested the dogs shouldn’t be that desperate for Lobb, I hope they get cold feet from the negative press
I’d never have thought Lobb would be the sacrificial lamb to put it one way, for the AFL commentators and media to make a stand against players unfulfilling their contracts. Maybe it’ll just be a one off thing, but I think this trade periods going to be a lot uglier than Colon and Lobb would have thought… Which they both absolutely deserve imo.
As many have suggested the dogs shouldn’t be that desperate for Lobb, I hope they get cold feet from the negative press
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Lobb plays ahead of McDonald, that's a bit silly. I think Lobb and Reid are basically the same player, you can play either of them in same spot and get the same result.
Geelong have two of the 5 best KPFs in the league, most teams KPFs arent getting in that team
This is exactly what it should be.
Would settle for that right now. I’d even throw in a future 2nd for a F3 in return.
The we could use the acres compensation to get sharp and take the pick for Logue (hopefully pick 19) to the draft and get at least one decent selection relatively highish, while protecting our F1.
We should be looking for pick 20 for Lobb, or something of similar value.
Yeah fair enough, mcdonald is probably not as good as Lobb right now. But he fits their forward structure well at Sydney, leads cleverly to provide space for Buddy and takes his limited chances when they arrive pretty well. Buddy is clearly the alpha male in that forward line.
As for Lobb v Reid, if I have a choice of one to play in a GF next weekend I’m picking Reid. I trust him more than Lobb not to have a complete flop performance.
Every time I watch Sydney play, Reid is good. He’s completely underrated by the vic media for sure.
It’s all a moot point anyway. Lobb is going, I’m certain of it, and the brinkmanship is all about securing a decent price from the Dogs.
Given the personel leaving the club, for me a successful trade period is Jackson coming in without our F1 being touched in that trade.
What did you think of Hazelby article today about the trade value of our departing players? There will be a lot of disappointment on here if he turns out to be correct.
Is there anyone in the Sydney reserves looking for opportunity? That could be got cheaply.
Will Gould?
Amartey?
Very strong list there has to be some quality there.
They lost Dawson and Hewett last years and still made the GF. They are ****ing STACKED!
Will Gould?
Amartey?
Very strong list there has to be some quality there.
They lost Dawson and Hewett last years and still made the GF. They are ****ing STACKED!
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I think his values are correct in a vacuum though Acres is the hardest one to me. On performance this year, at his age, I really think he should be worth a pick around 30, but it seems we arent going to get near that. Seems like it could be an absolute steal for Carlton.
Lobb is worth around 25 to a club trading for him, but he's worth a lot more to us and contracted so that's going to get inside 20 I think.
I think he's undervaluing Logue in a market where KPDs are all the rage and getting one ready to go at 24 is not easy. The fact Logue will be paid for in PP pick freebies will increase what we get as well.
We need to decide if we want a future 1st or better draft hand this year. I imagine it will be the future 1st and we'll do whatever we can to protect that pick given the money we'll have available so short of some late twist, the overall plan will be to bring in Jackson & Sharp, protect the future 1st and have a top 25 pick and top 40 pick.
Would grab your hand off for that right now.
Logue is being signed in a 5 year deal at $700k pa if that is correct, that is a first round pick for a 24 yo KPP every single day of the week.
Nobody will convince me otherwise. Pick 19 - if it makes it to North should ne the minimum.
Tucker for me is only worth peanuts. Maybe pick 45 or something like that.
We will need some David walls magic from 2016 draft when he plucked Darcy, Cox and Ryan with 38, 40 and 66.
If wallsy can replicate that again (in terms of the quality of players recruited with similar range of picks) and we get jackson, sharp and protect our F1, we are set for a decade.
I’ve heard that this years draft isn’t that deep though
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I'm including Meek in the going out that get's what I listed.Sounds good to me.
And what about Meek? He stays if Lobb goes?
Approaching it as a net thing (and I think this is going to make people unhappy), I think the best case scenario is like;
Out: 1st, Lobb, Logue, Meek, Tucker, Acres
In: Jackson, 19, Sharp, 30
It's likely going to be worse than that tbh.
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Honestly, I’d be ok with that.
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Bell doesn’t posture. It’ll be overs for Lobb, so first rounder or stays
What ever we get for Acers will be used to get Sharp so I think it’s irrelevant.
Logue will be the PP so minimum would be 19. Hopefully higher!
Tucker is a future 3rd or hopefully a sweetener in the Logue trade
Meek - a lot will depend on what happens with Lobb, if he stays the club should allow him to explore options
What ever we get for Acers will be used to get Sharp so I think it’s irrelevant.
Logue will be the PP so minimum would be 19. Hopefully higher!
Tucker is a future 3rd or hopefully a sweetener in the Logue trade
Meek - a lot will depend on what happens with Lobb, if he stays the club should allow him to explore options
I really must be the only one who likes Tucker in here. People carry on like he's Jackson Nelson.
But then again people here complained when we delisted Tobe Watson
But then again people here complained when we delisted Tobe Watson
If Bell is playing poker, surely what he’s fishing for is other Victorian clubs to join the party. If we are to take Colin Young at face value, Lobb’s reason for going is to be with his partner, so which club shouldn’t matter beyond their ability to pay his salary. At the moment the only club in the race is not offering enough. This simply signals to other clubs that they are open to offer more.
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I'm out if that happens. Seriously.
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Haha, I knew you'd be unhappy with that. I'm not sure what your expecting, how would you value the players listed?
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Tucker was so close to coming on before he hamstringed last year..
You could smell it. It was that close
thats a pretty damn good outcome though
keep our future AND end up with 19
Won't happen
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Exactly right which I’m all for, just worried about this forward line replacement. Another mature KPF to pair up with Amiss is what we need the most out of this trade period. Unfortunately I don’t back in Tabs to have a good run with injury next year so we can’t rely on him.
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If this is true he should be fired immediately.
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