Autopsy 2022 Round 1 - Blues BEAT the Tigers. The drought is over!

[forever blue 1]

Vossy has come in and set a style of football that is heavily set and demanded on contested and defensive pressure, entire buy in from everyone…

What a difference it makes having an entire new coaching group that are actually competent with the way the modern game is played, by setting standards and structures to compete and play a brand of footy that’s required in playing finals and beyond…

Tim Clarke whom i think deserves a massive pat on the back already with the way he has the midfield preforming, really is chalk and cheese compared with the previous group of coaches…

As we all age we all become a little wiser
I see this as the players (being young)
Thinking wow
This dude has literally done it all
Respect from the onset and will listen to what he wants
He has learnt over his course as well
Like anyone does in life
I’m just feeling something ridiculously sensational about this appointment at the moment
It’s a 180 degree change and the entire club is buying in on culture
Culture
Love
I haven’t felt this positive in 20 years
Yes can sense it
Everything is now gelling
It’s all coming together like a matrix does or like a good quality concrete with the exact slump and correct aggregate
It’s gapping guys
It really it happening this time and I’m so incredibly proud
Things can change quickly
Amd they are and have
Buckle up this is going to be the start of the best club in the world resurrection !

 

[Blue__Balls]

It is my interpretation of the event. I can respect that you see it different. Just understand that others may not always agree with you. Also just to add, when your at the game and can see it unfold, at times things seem different to seeing it just on a TV screen.

Thing is, you seem to have seen what you wanted/expected to see based on personal bias, not what actually occurred.

Look at it this way. Voss wants a team that plays hard, contested footy. Voss has selected LOB in the starting side in 3 of 3 games to date. Ergo, Voss doesn't seem to have the same concerns about LOB as you (and admittedly others) have.

I don't see LOB being soft or scared. The contested stuff isn't his natural game, and he's not especially good at it, but he usually goes and has a crack in when he has to. That doesn't mean he wins it, of course.

Maybe he comes out for Walsh when young Sam is available for selection though.

 

[forever blue 1]

Ps
Carlton has not lost any games since last year

 

[The Return of the Paf]

Que Cerra Cerra fending off 'don't argue' Dusty

I think he should be more careful in the pumpkin patch, next time.

 

[Ken Navies]

Thing is, you seem to have seen what you wanted/expected to see based on personal bias, not what actually occurred.

Look at it this way. Voss wants a team that plays hard, contested footy. Voss has selected LOB in the starting side in 3 of 3 games to date. Ergo, Voss doesn't seem to have the same concerns about LOB as you (and admittedly others) have.

I don't see LOB being soft or scared. The contested stuff isn't his natural game, and he's not especially good at it, but he usually goes and has a crack in when he has to. That doesn't mean he wins it, of course.

Maybe he comes out for Walsh when young Sam is available for selection though.

Excellent points BB, LOB is always straight in when any dust ups start.
Clearly has skills the team can use.
Doubt Voss is playing him for the hell of it.

 

[thylacine60]

reckon flying the flag is a little different to going in fearless in play...............you know no-one will throw one these days.............

 

[Blue__Balls]

Excellent points BB, LOB is always straight in when any dust ups start.
Clearly has skills the team can use.
Doubt Voss is playing him for the hell of it.

And not just the fisticuffs - he does throw himself at the ground ball too.

I get that people want every player to be the best version of themselves they possibly can, but the reality is thag they all have varying limitations that they have to play with and work around.

If the tradeoff for having an excellent key defender, some gun half backs, a balanced and elite on-ball brigade and a few mobile 200cm forwards is that we have to make do with a less physical wingman who can still run all day (both ways) and hit laser passes....well, so be it. The alternative is probably to have a Newnes type (physically capable but ordinary disposal) in that spot, or to make sacrifices on other lines to chase an elite wing.

 

[Ken Navies]

reckon flying the flag is a little different to going in fearless in play...............you know no-one will throw one these days.............

I made three separate points.
No need to CarolineWilson me about it!

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Just watching the replay now.

Thought LOB did his bit.

Wasn't great, but held his own.

Kicked a big goal in the 4th.

ps watched most of it again....no doubt in my mind Voss will be ok with that effort from O'Brien.

Is there room for improvement?

You bet, but Rd 1, at the near full G, in a pressure game like this, he made a few errors (as they ALL DID) and he kept on going?

Would I have preferred Newnes or Cotters in his stead?

NO.

 

[thylacine60]

I made three separate points.
No need to CarolineWilson me about it!

I'd be rapt to be considered as courageous, clever and awarded a writer as her......

 

[footyfan1978]

ps watched most of it again....no doubt in my mind Voss will be ok with that effort from O'Brien.

Is there room for improvement?

You bet, but Rd 1, at the near full G, in a pressure game like this, he made a few errors (as they ALL DID) and he kept on going?

Would I have preferred Newnes or Cotters in his stead?

NO.

I think if no injuries maybe O'Brien squeezed out for Cuningham , Newman squeezed out for Stocker and for Walsh it tougher to know whom makes way.
Probably one of rucks makes way via horses for courses match up v opposition.
Similarly, maybe one of Owies at times left out of 22 in time for Josh Honey.
Oscar McDonald in time I suspect makes way for one of Marchbank or Lewis Young, deeper into the season.

Having said all that , on average about 4 players missing at any one point of your best 22 and so round one was reflective of what our depth should be now.
Need to have depth well beyond best 22 as we need a good 30 players to be a contender.

Next round I think we lose Jack Martin to Co-vid league protocols so maybe Philp or Paddy Dow into the team for Thursday night.

 

[Sector 7G]

I watching the replay for the 3rd time the thing that stands out is the pressure in the forward line. Despite kicking goals last year the lack of pressure in the forwardline with Betts and Murphy was a major problem. Backline never stood a chance and neither did Teague.

 

[BigFrizz36]

reckon flying the flag is a little different to going in fearless in play...............you know no-one will throw one these days.............

Since Chris Yarran or Matthew Scarlett? Last couple that I can remember.

 

[Coops93]

Que Cerra Cerra fending off 'don't argue' Dusty

I remember watching that when it happened and thinking "God that was a p**s poor effort!"

Not that I was complaining. Defence has never been high on Martins priority list so I'm not surprised Cerra took him on and won that easily.

 

[Coops93]

Yep, No problems. If you have Kayo sports ill even give you the timestamp 3:04:53 into the game. Last qtr, 50/50 on the wing, pivotal stage in the game he absolutely crapped his pants. Commentary says he "Over-run" the ball, he didn't, he deliberately avoided contact and then gave no attempt to chase as Richmond waltz off with the ball. It took me literally 5 minutes to find this one event. There were plenty of others.

I don't think he's a coward. He tries hard, he's just physically weak and doesn't have great balance. He gets pushed off the ball very easily but I don't think it's down to being soft, he's Simpsons frame without the balance. You couldn't push Simpson out the way so easily because he had great balance, footwork and physical awareness. O'Brien doesn't seem to have those traits so he looks soft but really he's just a slight man.

Getting on an AFL pitch at his size precludes him from being a coward. I'm a critic of his but his endeavour isn't something I question.

 

[Healer]

I'd be rapt to be considered as courageous, clever and awarded a writer as her......

You are Thy. Trust me

 

[blue healer]

I’m a little concerned about Charlie. Hope it’s just him finding the pace of the game and not another Waite situation.

But says a lot about the team given the modest contribution from Charlie & McKay.

Don't know about anyone else but I'd be stoked if Charlie's career can match that of Waite without Jarrod's on field brain fades.

Waite played 244 games over 16 years despite missing at least another 60 through injuries and suspension. He also kicked 377 goals despite playing a lot of his footie with us in the backline.

He was, IMO, one of the most athletic talls I have seen and had an exceptional leap. Charlie shares these traits.

I really hope the worst we see from Charlie matches Waite's career.

Edit; Waite actually missed 84 games out of a possible 269 with Carlton alone.

 

[haveago]

Don't know about anyone else but I'd be stoked if Charlie's career can match that of Waite without Jarrod's on field brain fades.

Waite played 244 games over 16 years despite missing at least another 60 through injuries and suspension. He also kicked 377 goals despite playing a lot of his footie with us in the backline.

He was, IMO, one of the most athletic talls I have seen and had an exceptional leap. Charlie shares these traits.

I really hope the worst we see from Charlie matches Waite's career.

Edit; Waite actually missed 84 games out of a possible 269 with Carlton alone.

Jarrod was an absolute GUN........ I was shattered when we lost him.....Thanks Mick

If Charlie can match his output we would all be very happy IMO.

Got a LONG WAY to go but could get there hopefully.

As you said, a lot of similar traits.

 

[blue healer]

More than injuries with kennedy. Teague and Bolton didn't believe in him. They placed their chips on players like Dow.

Why do people persist with this "coach doesn't rate or like a particular player" diatribe?

I would be Kennedy's biggest supporter on this board (actually played cricket and a lot of golf with his uncle) and have followed his career closely from the get go.

Even I think that fitness reduced his performance significantly until he came back in last year fully fit and even then there were still a lot of detractors on here. I was laughed at when I said I believe he was a better player than Setterfield at the beginning of last year.

If players like Dow, Kemp and Stocker fail to get a regular game will we start to say Voss doesn't rate them?

Time to move on from this BS, I have and I thought the club's handling of Teague was disgraceful.

 

[Coops93]

Don't know about anyone else but I'd be stoked if Charlie's career can match that of Waite without Jarrod's on field brain fades.

Waite played 244 games over 16 years despite missing at least another 60 through injuries and suspension. He also kicked 377 goals despite playing a lot of his footie with us in the backline.

He was, IMO, one of the most athletic talls I have seen and had an exceptional leap. Charlie shares these traits.

I really hope the worst we see from Charlie matches Waite's career.

Edit; Waite actually missed 84 games out of a possible 269 with Carlton alone.

Waite and Curnow are different kinds of athletes. Waite seemed to glide across the field and leap without any effort at all. When he'd jump it looked like he was floating.

Curnow isn't graceful across the field, it's all power and violent movement - I think it's why several of us on here have said it always looked like he'd do a knee at some point given the way he jumps and moves so suddenly. I haven't seen the leap from him since returning, I haven't really seen him try either. I think it's a confidence thing right now, he doesn't look super comfortable on his feet when marking right now, even when not jumping. Just taking a chest mark it looks like he's worried about how his feet are.

I used the analogy in another thread but it's like he's a baby giraffe learning to walk that has also had several leg injuries. Nervous and uncomfortable. But I feel like it could be a light bulb moment for him, one speccy or pack splitting leap in which there's an athletic and powerful move that he pulls up find from and he'll be back.

 

[blue healer]

Waite and Curnow are different kinds of athletes. Waite seemed to glide across the field and leap without any effort at all. When he'd jump it looked like he was floating.

Curnow isn't graceful across the field, it's all power and violent movement - I think it's why several of us on here have said it always looked like he'd do a knee at some point given the way he jumps and moves so suddenly. I haven't seen the leap from him since returning, I haven't really seen him try either. I think it's a confidence thing right now, he doesn't look super comfortable on his feet when marking right now, even when not jumping. Just taking a chest mark it looks like he's worried about how his feet are.

I used the analogy in another thread but it's like he's a baby giraffe learning to walk that has also had several leg injuries. Nervous and uncomfortable. But I feel like it could be a light bulb moment for him, one speccy or pack splitting leap in which there's an athletic and powerful move that he pulls up find from and he'll be back.

Your description of Waite matches mine. I just didn't want to wax too lyrical.

 

[Stamos]

Time to move on from this BS, I have and I thought the club's handling of Teague was disgraceful.

Teague was a terrible coach. The club rightly sacked him.

 

[Stamos]

Coaches' Votes

10 - Patrick Cripps

9

Patrick Cripps

Age

29

Ht

195cm

Wt

93kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

25.9

5star

K

9.8

4star

HB

16.1

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

5.8

5star

CL

7.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.9

5star

M

2.5

3star

T

3.8

4star

CL

6.3

5star

D

12.6

4star

K

4.8

2star

HB

7.8

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.2

5star

CL

1.4

4star

(CARL)
8 - Matthew Kennedy (CARL)
6 - Adam Cerra (CARL)
4 - George Hewett

29

George Hewett

Age

29

Ht

187cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.7

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

10.3

5star

M

2.7

3star

T

4.1

5star

CL

3.3

5star

D

13.8

3star

K

4.8

2star

HB

9.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.2

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

4.0

5star

CL

0.4

3star

(CARL)
1 - Sam Docherty

15

Sam Docherty

Age

31

Ht

187cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.3

5star

K

15.1

5star

HB

7.2

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

2.4

4star

CL

1.1

3star

D

22.6

5star

K

16.0

5star

HB

6.6

4star

M

7.0

5star

T

0.6

1star

CL

0.4

3star

D

11.2

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.4

4star

CL

0.6

3star

(CARL)
1 - Marc Pittonet

27

Marc Pittonet

Age

28

Ht

202cm

Wt

107kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.7

2star

K

2.9

1star

HB

4.8

3star

CL

3.1

5star

HO

22.3

5star

D

8.6

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

4.0

3star

CL

3.7

5star

HO

25.9

5star

D

5.8

2star

K

1.2

1star

HB

4.6

4star

CL

2.4

5star

HO

16.6

5star

(CARL)

 

[myblueroan]

 

[RPCB]

Fascinating what a head coach and assistant coaches who know what they are doing can do for a players confidence.