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Akuei is a Cat B rookie having come through our zone. Who would you have taken instead?
As for contenders not taking project players, not sure how much Melbourne’s 2 mid season picks last year hindered their premiership aspirations.
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Hang on, wasn't OMac delisted by Melbourne? Can't have been rated that highly then, considering he was only young (24). Either that, or they knew his back was cooked. Can't compare him to C Curnow, he's never been in that league. Yes yes, Melbourne have much more KPP depth that we do/did, but if OMac was really that valuable someone would have traded for him, and no club wanted to. I wouldn't have thought any other club would be regretting that decision, after his 3 games in 2 years for us.
All in all, just don't think we have the luxury of keeping all these guys on the list that never play, we already have Marchy and McGovern for that purpose, and realistically he's the least likely of the 3 to every come good (which says a lot). Not wanting to sound like a campaigner and honestly I feel for OMac but we have to be pragmatic here. Sometimes things don't work out. Life is like that.
All in all, just don't think we have the luxury of keeping all these guys on the list that never play, we already have Marchy and McGovern for that purpose, and realistically he's the least likely of the 3 to every come good (which says a lot). Not wanting to sound like a campaigner and honestly I feel for OMac but we have to be pragmatic here. Sometimes things don't work out. Life is like that.
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OMac not fit; breaking.
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Do we really need an undersized ruck/forward right now? or would we be better with a best available Ruckman and a back up KPF?
Think once Pittonet comes back or we get a ready to go Ruck, TDK becomes the Ruck/CHF we need...
With his improved marking he could become elite at this role...
Think once Pittonet comes back or we get a ready to go Ruck, TDK becomes the Ruck/CHF we need...
With his improved marking he could become elite at this role...
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Bingo. Can change an entire playing groups aspect if a player is not treated right.
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Nothing is black and white. All come down to how the situation is handled.
Putting a player on the inactive list doesn't necessarily mean you are treating them poorly. No one suggested that.
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I haven't followed the available options but having players on your list who are unable to play senior football for not one year but probably 3 at least makes it difficult and we have two of them. To answer that question, if anyone decent gets picked in the mid season draft then them.
This makes it a bigger issue for us because list sizes are smaller and we are carrying a number of players who we know are at high risk of being injured and out long term or are already injured and out long term. McDonald, McGovern, Marchbank and Curnow are 4 players with an extensive injury history who going into this season you would consider likely to break down and miss the season or significant portions of it. 3 of them already have. You already have Honey, Marchbank and Cuningham recovering from long term injuries. Then there is Jones who before the draft we had to know we were going to lose. That's 7 players who could easily miss the season or most of it. Fortunately Curnow has been ok but 6 of them have not. You recruit two more players who will be unable to play senior footy. There's an issue here with the state of our list with a large potion of it being unavailable to play senior footy and we should not be surprised.
For where our list is in regards to long term injuries and the amount of high risk players on it, you have to question the decision to willingly add more players to it who will be unable to play senior football.
I have no issues with Akuei and Mirkov but the appropriateness of their recruitment really must be questioned. If we could have picked players who could have provided senior depth and signed them up to the Carlton Reserves list then that would have been the right thing to do.
We are a few injuries away from being premiership contenders or bailed out of finals in the first match or two.
I don't know whether better options could have been taken on board but if they were then then I think we have made a mistake. If we didn't have so many high risk players, Jones and a few long term injuries then I would feel more comfortable taking project players as I would if the list sizes were increased.
I'm glad Cricket Australia didn't have this stance with their current captain. Same issues, took years to get right.
He's no Charlie Curnow but there are a lot of good talls who aren't. He's valuable to us because he is AFL quality, he's quite good, we have seen that. Melbourne didn't need him, same as we don't need Dow. Doesn't mean he's no good, just means he's not needed. And yes, it's been mentioned the back has been an issue prior to us recruiting him.
The thing is he is valuable to us. He fills 3 and a half holes. Can play key forward, Second ruck and key defender at AFL level and can be a break glass in case of emergency ruckman. Initially seen as a better version of Casboult.
I've seen a lot of athletes suffer chronic back stress fractures and have seen them come good later in their careers. It's generally not seen as an issues that forces athletes to retire, it's seen as a long term hurdle. Some come good in their early 20s some come good in their late 20's.
Having him on our list would make a world of difference to our depth. This year he would have played a lot of footy as a backup if not as a best 22 option.
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Charlie Curnow went to one specific Doctor Who was a ''bone/ fracture'' specialist[ who got the knee cured after the other orthopaedic surgeons left it vulnerable/ ].... ID be wanting similar medical input for OMac from the best specialist whether it was possible to make a full recovery before letting him off the list /rookie list..... And I'm only saying this because he is so versatile... Playing key forward or key back or in the ruck.... And in the preseason he did look surprisingly capable ...When fit & firing
Depth players need to be available now, not in the future.
OMac might need to have a year in vfl to prove his fitness/durability and then can be reconsidered.
There are others out there who could doing this role on field.
OMac might need to have a year in vfl to prove his fitness/durability and then can be reconsidered.
There are others out there who could doing this role on field.
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I wasn’t suggesting that or isolating that example. I was merely generally speaking, I.e as others had mentioned Deluca
Not a good comparison. CA don't have a salary cap or squad limits. They can afford to give players years to come good from injury with little to no consequence.
AFL teams can't do the same given salary caps and limited squads.
Yep, prove that you’re capable of getting through games of footy again.
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No, they don't.
Akuei being cat b rookie isn't taking anyones place. It's literally a rookie spot designed for people like him. Non traditional pathways into the AFL and long term development.
Mirkov similarly is a project rookie. Hardly hindering anything at all and is a long term project - which every team in the AFL has 1 or 2 of.
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it's hard but players are assets - if the potential upside is worth the wait then you wait but your understudies have to be ready to step in or they aren't doing the job and taking up a valuable list spot
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This is showing a fair degree of ignorance with regards to Akuei.
He's a Cat B rookie meaning he's come from a non-traditional background. Almost by definition every single player picked via that avenue is a project player, and investing in him has not come at the expense of anyone else.
Take him out of the equation and your gripe is with Mirkov, ie. one project player on our list. One out of 40+. You really think we're the only contending club to have someone like him on the books?
I think you're trying to make a mountain out of a molehill here. It's nowhere near as big an issue as you're trying to argue.
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Omac will be delisted at seasons end, we cant be carrying fringe players who are injury prone.
Out of contract at seasons end,
Marchbank - Give 1 more year to come good
Cunningham - 2 years
Ed Curnow - Retire, hopefully gets a send off to play with Charlie
Newnes - delist
Boyd - 1 year
Honey - 2 year extension
Stocker - 2 year extension
LOB - 2 year extension
Parks - delist, potentially rookie
Cottrell - 1 year extension
Owies - 2 year extension
Omac - delist
Williamson - Delist
Setterfield - Delist
This would leave us with a change of 6 list spots, and likely a 7th in trading out Dow. Probably too many given the state of our list build, could keep Willo & Setters but neither look close to being best 22 and have been on a AFL list for 6 years so prob best to cut them.
Out of contract at seasons end,
Marchbank - Give 1 more year to come good
Cunningham - 2 years
Ed Curnow - Retire, hopefully gets a send off to play with Charlie
Newnes - delist
Boyd - 1 year
Honey - 2 year extension
Stocker - 2 year extension
LOB - 2 year extension
Parks - delist, potentially rookie
Cottrell - 1 year extension
Owies - 2 year extension
Omac - delist
Williamson - Delist
Setterfield - Delist
This would leave us with a change of 6 list spots, and likely a 7th in trading out Dow. Probably too many given the state of our list build, could keep Willo & Setters but neither look close to being best 22 and have been on a AFL list for 6 years so prob best to cut them.
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You can carry injured players.
You can carry fringe players.
You can't carry injured fringe players...
You can carry fringe players.
You can't carry injured fringe players...
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