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If they aren't going (or are very unlikely) to play again this year, what the issue?
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If they've been ruled out for the year, there is no issue.
If they haven't, I answered that a few minutes ago...
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Putting a player on the inactive list isn't cutting them.
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Good Grief!
You honestly don't believe that we will acquire another season ending injury to 1 of our players sometime in the next 12 weeks?
When that happens, not 'if' that happens, Parks is straight back playing games again.
People at football clubs need to have tough conversations all the time. The reality is we are struggling for depth and have 4-5 players that arent due back till the last month of the season. Cant afford to be having that when you have the opportunitty to recruit coverage.
The Newcombe type financial conditions are no longer in play, only a 6 or 18 month initial contract
Bit pointless though as you can extend these contracts at anytime
Which based on his return to play timeframe will only be 1-2 matches which he would play in the reserves anyway. Based on his injury timeline and status within the senior team it is an absolute no brainer to put him on the inactive list.
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"With an example like Parks, I'd suggest there is even some doubt as to whether he holds a spot on the list going into next season, which might make the idea even more appealing."
I thought this was pretty clear.
Of course there's every chance we will. Knowing our luck, there may be more than one.
The AFL won't allow you to take a pick though on the chance it might happen, no matter how likely it may be. Either it has happened or it hasn't. Grey area won't be good enough.
We're not the first club to be low on availability and we won't be the last. Hell, we're not the only club in that position right now. It's not ideal, but shit happens. Bad luck.
Having that sort of conversation isn't the run of the mill 'tough conversation'. It's on a completely different level.
Doesn't really matter though, even if a player was on the LTI and was returning earlier, you can slide another player to the LTI
Exactly but absolute worst case scenario (and unlikely) if everyone is available Parks missing the last couple of VFL games is no disaster. Particular if we get another guy we want on our list for 3 months that is actually available to play games.
WCE’s placed players on the inactive list to get top up players in the SSP. They’re now assessing others on their injury list to make further room if they wish to make a play for a MSD selection/s.
Based on their ladder position, they’d be foolish not to dip their toe in the water in the MSD.
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Not sure how many flags sentiment has won to be fair, look at Hawthorn, Clarko was a savage at the end of some of their careers
100% you can.
Inactive list is minimum 8 week injury. Doesn't have to be season ending.
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You sound like you'd be a terrible manager
"Hey Parksy, you know we're pretty light on for rucks and key defenders at the moment - well, we have an opportunity to cover those gaps via the mid season draft if we can free up another list spot. Given your injury is gonna have you off the field until the last week or two of the season, we're gonna pop you on the inactive list to open up the spot we need. This doesn't mean you're absolutely done for the year, if someone else goes down we can swap you with them later in the year - so stick to the rehab plan and you just might get an opportunity to play a part in a finals campaign. Thanks mate, this selfless, team-first attitude is what's gonna get us to a flag one day soon."
And yeah, if we're considering delisting him anyway, it's absolutely the right move. Doesn't mean you tell him that. The list management team likely have a pretty clear idea who is on the chopping block by now.
Why miss out on half a season working with a key defender or ruck/forward so one depth player can be eligible for selection (but unlikely to be selected) for the last few games of the season. And all it takes is a single setback in his recover and he misses the full year anyway.
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He was savage to those players at the end of their careers, after they had won flags under him, and achieved just about all there is to achieve.
Not sure he did it to kids fighting for their careers. It's not the same as telling someone in their exit interview that their time is up.
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100% you can take a pick on the chance you might get an injury eligible for the inactive list later in the year? Got a source for that one somewhere?
It was last weekend at Princes Park....they played against Vic Country.
I got to see most of the game...thought Maher was okay without being a standout. Was hoping he may be more dominant, going from playing against AFL listed players to a bunch of 17/18yo's. Tyreece looked fairly solid down back....I reckons he'll become a pretty big unit when he develops over the next few years.
The standout players for mine were Charlie Molan (midfielder currently with Williamstown), Massimo D'ambrosio (midfielder currently with Tiggs VFL), and Jamieson Ballantyne (wingman currently with Dogs VFL) - who I thought was really impressive.
Another kid named Jai Culley didn't play through 'injury', but is tipped to be in the first few picked in the MSD.
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Anyhow, I'm done for the night.
Jez, I'll just leave you with this:
I understand that you're trying to say that clubs should look after their players.
But surely you must see that there is sense and prudence in moving a player to the inactive list who:
A) Is injured, and expected to be sidelined til Round 20,
B) Is depth at best, and has shown very little at AFL level in his opportunities to date,
C) Plays a role we have a number of other (some injury-prone) options for (Marchbank, Plow, Gov, Kemp), and
D) May be in line for delisting, given he's uncontracted in addition to points B and C.
When doing so allows us to fill a pressing need and get development into a potentially important depth player.
And doing so does not require the club to explain to him some of the more....practical....elements of the decision.
Jez, I'll just leave you with this:
I understand that you're trying to say that clubs should look after their players.
But surely you must see that there is sense and prudence in moving a player to the inactive list who:
A) Is injured, and expected to be sidelined til Round 20,
B) Is depth at best, and has shown very little at AFL level in his opportunities to date,
C) Plays a role we have a number of other (some injury-prone) options for (Marchbank, Plow, Gov, Kemp), and
D) May be in line for delisting, given he's uncontracted in addition to points B and C.
When doing so allows us to fill a pressing need and get development into a potentially important depth player.
And doing so does not require the club to explain to him some of the more....practical....elements of the decision.
You know it's easy to manipulate yeah?
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In theory, yes. But I do think it's not as straightforward as some are suggesting. The AFL would have measures to ensure clubs aren't manipulating as obviously as this would be.
Right now, apart from 2 clubs, all others have a long term injury
For us, let's say it's Parks or Williams and the return date is round 20, a lesser player that is considered unlikely to come into the side, could be sent for clean up surgery early
Most bottom clubs do it already late in the season, so a finals side has the same benefit
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I’m not saying to sit him down and say anything, that was elsewhere
You just put him on the LTI, as it’s better for the club he plays for to allow them another MSD pick, and reassess when he’s healthy
If there’s a spot available when he’s ready through another LTI, then great, he’s activated. If not, then unfortunately he’s not, and will have to wait until next season
If he’s unfortunate enough to then be delisted, that sucks, but it happens, to pretty much everyone in the end
We can’t not be considering doing something like that to help our list atm, if there’s a couple players we deem worthy that is, but that’s a whole other debate
OMAC’s position it is! Inactive
That's 2 spots, do I hear a 3rd?
Hope we do but suspect the club wouldn't be looking to bring in more than two.
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