List Mgmt. 2022 Senior List - The Final TWO Spots

[The Bighouse]

Does anyone know what pick number we have? I know clubs may open lore spots but not sure how the order goes.

Reverse ladder position after round 10 or 11.
There were only about 5 or 6 clubs with single picks but that is opening up with the potential inactive players being added. +/- 20 selections could be possible.

 

[Ash24]

Does anyone know what pick number we have? I know clubs may open lore spots but not sure how the order goes.

We currently have picks 15, 33, 63 and 69.

 

[BrisbaneBlue]

I have a feeling, Ballenden was ruck for Lions in the one reserve game I attended in person last year.
We were about 14 goals at quarter time mainly due to Mirkov dominating in the ruck and on the back of that, Mirkov was grabbed in last year's mid-season rookie draft, but not for the present. Picked for the long term future. Mirkov very young and raw so if he was able to take Ballenden to cleaners in that match, I do not think Ballenden is right choice for us. We need some mature bodied ruck that can play this season, not another youngster ruck. He was de-listed by Lions so does not make a lot of sense to draft him in mid-season rookie unless there simply is no 27 to 34 year old options out there.

What's Nathan Vardy doing down in Warrnambool?

This is where talk of future mid season trade period could make more sense in future for situations like this.
Some clubs not in contention might be willing to trade their veteran ruck.
If McEvoy was not injured Hawks maybe do a trade or North with Goldstein.
Here is an end of season 3rd round draft pick for your veteran ruck...

Ballenden didn't play in the ruck in that game. It was Fullarton who was monstered. Ballenden played as a key defender last year in Brisbane VFL team and won B&F. Ballenden is dominating in ruck this year in SANFL for Woodville

 

[footyfan1978]

Ballenden didn't play in the ruck in that game. It was Fullarton who was monstered. Ballenden played as a key defender last year in Brisbane VFL team and won B&F. Ballenden is dominating in ruck this year in SANFL for Woodville

Thanks for correcting.
Worth a look then.

 

[F_therest]

We currently have picks 15, 33, 63 and 69.

Hmm with many clubs looking for key position players, fair chance we don't get to pick up one we want by 15.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Hmm with many clubs looking for key position players, fair chance we don't get to pick up one we want by 15.

Only clubs with vacancies get selections. There'll probably be about 20 picks used in total.

 

[choo]

Apologies to Newman, but if we recruit J Bauer, we need to give him number #24!

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[The Defender]

Do we only have the 1 pick in mid season draft?

 

[Arr0w]

Do we only have the 1 pick in mid season draft?

Yes, currently 1 selection

 

[Blue__Balls]

Do we only have the 1 pick in mid season draft?

At this stage, yes. The spot vacated by Jones.

Could free up more spots by moving injured players to the inactive list if we're prepared to park them in rehab til the end of the season.

 

[The Bighouse]

At this stage, yes. The spot vacated by Jones.

Could free up more spots by moving injured players to the inactive list if we're prepared to park them in rehab til the end of the season.

Consideration could be given to LTI’s of;

• McGovern
• Parks
• OMac
• Williams
• E.Curnow (though back in 3-5 weeks)

Funnily enough, both our MSD’s could have been placed on the inactive list within weeks of drafting last year.
Just take the extra picks and shuffle players on/off there as the season gets on i.e. Parks for now as he’s looking like returning with only 2 weeks to go, if he comes back, someone else in a dicey situation goes on for an early recuperation period.

 

[Jeremias]

Consideration could be given to LTI’s of;

• McGovern
• Parks
• OMac
• Williams
• E.Curnow (though back in 3-5 weeks)

Funnily enough, both our MSD’s could have been placed on the inactive list within weeks of drafting last year.
Just take the extra picks and shuffle players on/off there as the season gets on i.e. Parks for now as he’s looking like returning with only 2 weeks to go, if he comes back, someone else in a dicey situation goes on for an early recuperation period.

Instead of trying to shift players and game the system, we should be working to have our best team available when it matters.

I can’t believe people are suggesting we should retire players or put players on the inactive list so we can take another highly speculative draft pick.

 

[Stamos]

Instead of trying to shift players and game the system, we should be working to have our best team available when it matters.

I can’t believe people are suggesting we should retire players or put players on the inactive list so we can take another highly speculative draft pick.

I don't think we should be picking anyone who we don't think is worth at least 18 months on the list (well, 16 months).
Any player we draft will be taking a list spot. We should be thinking that they're better than someone currently on the list, or someone we can get through draft or trade at the end of the year.

 

[F_therest]

Consideration could be given to LTI’s of;

• McGovern
• Parks
• OMac
• Williams
• E.Curnow (though back in 3-5 weeks)

Funnily enough, both our MSD’s could have been placed on the inactive list within weeks of drafting last year.
Just take the extra picks and shuffle players on/off there as the season gets on i.e. Parks for now as he’s looking like returning with only 2 weeks to go, if he comes back, someone else in a dicey situation goes on for an early recuperation period.

Why would we do that to players scheduled to come back from injury before the season ends?

Gov and Williams in particular would be in our plans for finals.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Instead of trying to shift players and game the system, we should be working to have our best team available when it matters.

I can’t believe people are suggesting we should retire players or put players on the inactive list so we can take another highly speculative draft pick.

It's hardly outrageous to suggest that if a fringe player is expected to be sidelined til the last two rounds of the year, that we might move them onto the inactive list to free up a mid season draft selection. With an example like Parks, I'd suggest there is even some doubt as to whether he holds a spot on the list going into next season, which might make the idea even more appealing.

Doing it with Curnow or Gov though, nah, not worth it.

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

If we place Parks on LTI list to get a second MSD pick.
Are we allowed to return him to the playing list, replaced by another injured player if he recovers near the end of the year?

 

[Stamos]

If we place Parks on LTI list to get a second MSD pick.
Are we allowed to return him to the playing list, replaced by another injured player if he recovers near the end of the year?

Yes

 

[Coona Blues]

Consideration could be given to LTI’s of;

• McGovern
• Parks
• OMac
• Williams
• E.Curnow (though back in 3-5 weeks)

Funnily enough, both our MSD’s could have been placed on the inactive list within weeks of drafting last year.
Just take the extra picks and shuffle players on/off there as the season gets on i.e. Parks for now as he’s looking like returning with only 2 weeks to go, if he comes back, someone else in a dicey situation goes on for an early recuperation period.

Instead of trying to shift players and game the system, we should be working to have our best team available when it matters.

I can’t believe people are suggesting we should retire players or put players on the inactive list so we can take another highly speculative draft pick.

I don't think we should be picking anyone who we don't think is worth at least 18 months on the list (well, 16 months).
Any player we draft will be taking a list spot. We should be thinking that they're better than someone currently on the list, or someone we can get through draft or trade at the end of the year.

McGovern, Williams and Curnow are not a consideration. The status of OMac is yet to be revealed, and if Parks is only returning for perhaps the last VFL game, there is a good argument to put him out for the year. I have been consistent that our use of the MSD should be to acquire a piece or pieces of the puzzle. This does not dictate a best 22 player. A “journeyman” or semi developed swingman or forward/ruck would help stabilise the list, even if intended to be a break glass depth option. The sort of role OMac should be playing after the emergence of Young Most likely.

Similarly if we are planning to trade or delist surplus midfield types, it would be prudent to add a developing mid from the state leagues to take up the slack of those we are planning to move on. Our midfield and indeed the developing midfield is stacked. Altering the dynamic to release cap pressure and create list spots is just commonsense. Drafting e.g. Carmichael we have been linked to would be each way betting. A promising kid, unlikely to push in to our 22, but with perhaps an outside chance of doing so, while shoring up our ressies on minimum chips would be a decent investment. Giving us the strength to remain competitive while providing mature support for future midfield draftees when we identify them.

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

Yes

Lets do it. Speculate on a couple of prospects, unless we are forced to keep them on our 2023 list. (and looking back at the DeLuca MSD trade, I think it is a requirement.)

 

[The Bighouse]

Why would we do that to players scheduled to come back from injury before the season ends?

Gov and Williams in particular would be in our plans for finals.

With 2 weeks to go & continued concerns over durability for all concerned from their injuries to their hammy, back, calf (x 2) & foot.

Example was for Parks to be offset. Chances are that another player/s goes down & then Parks could resume with his 2 weeks from the end of the season.
If not, he’s been sacrificed for another player at the MSD. Last year, that was a moot point anyway as both Boyd & Mirkov were pretty much out immediately as further inactive players.

 

[BigBreakfast]

Unless there is a Martin, Cripps, Petracca hiding somewhere, use the mid season draft to acquire best available KPP, our greatest need

Someone that is more a defender and capable of chopping out in the ruck

And mature, not a prospect. I feel like the selection needs to be able to play in the near future.

 

[The Bighouse]

McGovern, Williams and Curnow are not a consideration. The status of OMac is yet to be revealed, and if Parks is only returning for perhaps the last VFL game, there is a good argument to put him out for the year. I have been consistent that our use of the MSD should be to acquire a piece or pieces of the puzzle. This does not dictate a best 22 player. A “journeyman” or semi developed swingman or forward/ruck would help stabilise the list, even if intended to be a break glass depth option. The sort of role OMac should be playing after the emergence of Young Most likely.

Similarly if we are planning to trade or delist surplus midfield types, it would be prudent to add a developing mid from the state leagues to take up the slack of those we are planning to move on. Our midfield and indeed the developing midfield is stacked. Altering the dynamic to release cap pressure and create list spots is just commonsense. Drafting e.g. Carmichael we have been linked to would be each way betting. A promising kid, unlikely to push in to our 22, but with perhaps an outside chance of doing so, while shoring up our ressies on minimum chips would be a decent investment. Giving us the strength to remain competitive while providing mature support for future midfield draftees when we identify them.

Has the 2nd Young Guns game been played yet, or is that this w/end?

Z. Maher any chance by us?

 

[Stiffler's Dad]

Are we putting 6 players on LTIL and taking 6 do you reckon?
Thoughts!

 

[Jeremias]

It's hardly outrageous to suggest that if a fringe player is expected to be sidelined til the last two rounds of the year, that we might move them onto the inactive list to free up a mid season draft selection. With an example like Parks, I'd suggest there is even some doubt as to whether he holds a spot on the list going into next season, which might make the idea even more appealing.

Doing it with Curnow or Gov though, nah, not worth it.

Imagine the conversation.

“Hey Parksy, it's heading towards mid season and given we were going to cut you anyway, we may as well bring it forward for our benefit. You? What about you? Oh, you can use the gym through your recovery if you want. But only between 11am and 11:30am on Wednesdays when the boys are away from the club. See ya."

I can't see that going down too well. Can you?

Treat your people well. Everything else flows from there.

Lets do it. Speculate on a couple of prospects, unless we are forced to keep them on our 2023 list. (and looking back at the DeLuca MSD trade, I think it is a requirement.)

I'm so, so against this. I hated the way we treated Deluca and I hope we never see that happen at our club again.

And besides, players can't stay on the LTI indefinitely if they're fit and ready to go. Imagine the cluster **** of not being able to call upon all your fit players in a finals series because we decided to speculate on an extra player in the mid season draft.

 

[The Bighouse]

Lets do it. Speculate on a couple of prospects, unless we are forced to keep them on our 2023 list. (and looking back at the DeLuca MSD trade, I think it is a requirement.)

MSD is for 6 months only if the player doesn’t nominate any conditions otherwise.
Mirkov was for 18mths (a further 2yrs already added). Boyd 6mths & then re-signed.
J. Newcombe also had financial conditions attached to his drafting, though that may have been addressed since then with players that hadn’t played AFL previously nominating dollars for their contracts.