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[Jimmae]

From what we saw yesterday and Voss's comments today I think we can lock in OMac as our second tall defender for round 1.

Just watched the Voss interview, and you've gone too early on this.

 

[windows1]

Which mid does Fog push out

Doubt it will be any of Cripps, Walsh, Hewett, Cerra, Kennedy

Possible rotating players, Martin, Jsos, Stocker, Williams, Kemp, Cuners

Then he is competing with the likes Dow, Carroll, Philp, Setters

He doesn’t push anyone out. He’s a good VFL player.

 

[windows1]

Interesting to track this trade. You downgraded from Charlie Lazzaro to Jack Carroll and also handed the Cats the pick with which they took Nick Stevens to get Fogarty across. So if you look at it a certain way it is Fogarty + Carroll v Lazzaro + Stevens. Way too early to be confident who will be best from those players but Fogarty looks like he might have a bit of a low ceiling due to his kicking, and Lazzaro got a bit of exposure in 8-9 games last year with mixed results. Stevens sounds like a hybrid defender type who can run and uses the ball well, but as yet unsighted at AFL level. Jack Carroll I know you guys have good hopes for, but not too many strong AFL mids go below the second round in the National Draft, let alone in the weak 2020 renewal. Perhaps none of them will be world beaters.

Pretty confident last sentence is correct.

 

[windows1]

Here's what I'd be doing in a scenario of Stocker, Cuningham, and Walsh not being available if we didn't pick Fogarty:

FB: Docherty Weitering McGovern
HB: Williamson/Boyd Young Saad
C: Williams Cerra O'Brien
HF: Honey C.Curnow Fisher
FF: JSOS McKay Martin

Int: Dow, E.Curnow, Kemp, Setterfield

Can also keep Williams at HB and rotate Fisher and Martin in the wing role, with Durdin and Honey playing deep.

Jim you’re critical of the inclusion of Newman due to lack of pace and in the next breath include Williamson. They’re both slow Jim. I’d say they would be very close in a 10,20,50m sprint. And would trail in 2/3 of the list.

 

[windows1]

Shut up ferris

Reckon he got you pretty good there old timer.

 

[Juice030103]

What do we think voss thinks about the list? Does he actually rate it? I mean I feel like he would have to think our top 10 players are good in Cripps Walsh weiters McKay Cerra doc Williams Saad and probably Charlie and fisher. There’s other guys like TDK and stocker who are also good. Hewett too. It got brought up today in convo but he’s using a lot of words that downplay us. I don’t know if he’s doing that because he’s trying to take pressure off or if he secretly doesn’t think we are that good i don’t know. Interested to know what you guys think

 

[ferrisb]

What do we think voss thinks about the list? Does he actually rate it? I mean I feel like he would have to think our top 10 players are good in Cripps Walsh weiters McKay Cerra doc Williams Saad and probably Charlie and fisher. There’s other guys like TDK and stocker who are also good. Hewett too. It got brought up today in convo but he’s using a lot of words that downplay us. I don’t know if he’s doing that because he’s trying to take pressure off or if he secretly doesn’t think we are that good i don’t know. Interested to know what you guys think

It's a list/club that has struggled for many years.

We've added a few key pieces recently.

We've got a bunch of players with unclear positions.

We've got a wave of players that are right on the cusp of that 50-80 game experience hurdle, facing make-or-break seasons.

We've got a new coach, probably a new gameplan or two.

Some of our best players - Charlie, Harry, Cripps, Doc - have faced serious injuries in the past couple of years.

There are so many question marks on us. We could finish 5-6th, but we could also finish 12-14th.

I think Voss is just concentrating on what he can control. Gameplan, effort, attitude. Who TF knows what that will have delivered by season's end.

 

[Jimmae]

It's a list/club that has struggled for many years.

We've added a few key pieces recently.

We've got a bunch of players with unclear positions.

We've got a wave of players that are right on the cusp of that 50-80 game experience hurdle, facing make-or-break seasons.

We've got a new coach, probably a new gameplan or two.

Some of our best players - Charlie, Harry, Cripps, Doc - have faced serious injuries in the past couple of years.

There are so many question marks on us. We could finish 5-6th, but we could also finish 12-14th.

I think Voss is just concentrating on what he can control. Gameplan, effort, attitude. Who TF knows what that will have delivered by season's end.

The development coaches have clearly been going to work, I'm hopeful so long as confidence and game plan are in good stead.

 

[BlueTongue]

uh oh.....I think I just found a Bon Bon lookalike

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Dusty Martin Umpiring there too

 

[GapInIkonPark]

Jim you’re critical of the inclusion of Newman due to lack of pace and in the next breath include Williamson. They’re both slow Jim. I’d say they would be very close in a 10,20,50m sprint. And would trail in 2/3 of the list.

Tom Williamson blitzed the ‘combine’ in his year, so hopefully he gets back on track:

Pick 61: Tom Williamson

‘Williamson showed off his excellent endurance at the AFL national combine, finishing first in the agility test and second in the 3km time trial. He prides himself on his fitness, finishing top 10 in another five tests, including the beep.’

Tom Williamson — Precision Sports Entertainment Group

‘Originally from Ararat, Tom excelled at the National Combine Screening in October finishing right up the top in the kicking test, beep test, agility test, vertical jump, running vertical jump, and 3km time trial, proving his versatility.’

 

[JustaBattler]

Tom Williamson blitzed the ‘combine’ in his year, so hopefully he gets back on track:

Pick 61: Tom Williamson

‘Williamson showed off his excellent endurance at the AFL national combine, finishing first in the agility test and second in the 3km time trial. He prides himself on his fitness, finishing top 10 in another five tests, including the beep.’

Tom Williamson — Precision Sports Entertainment Group

‘Originally from Ararat, Tom excelled at the National Combine Screening in October finishing right up the top in the kicking test, beep test, agility test, vertical jump, running vertical jump, and 3km time trial, proving his versatility.’

None of that speaks to leg speed though - I always fancied him as a developing wingman but it seems coaches don't see it that way. he is up against Docherty/Newman/Stocker/Plowman and developing Philp/Boyd.

 

[CJMB]

I reckon Willo is one of those guys whose running style (and facial expressions) makes him look like he’s moving faster than he actually is

 

[Blue__Balls]

Mind you, if we're comparing to Newman....well, that's a bloke who never tucks the ball under the arm and takes off. Maybe they're similar in top speed, but in terms of how the play, Willo is the one who is prepared to put the pedal down, while Newman usually pumps the brakes and looks for a target.

 

[JustaBattler]

Docherty and Stocker being unavailable and Plowman a no-show in the pracy game (what's going on there?) sees Newman/Williamson/Boyd and Philp given the opportunity to show what they've got. at a guess I'd see at most two of these blokes and probably only one of be in the side by round 2. Must not forget though that the game was indeed a practice game - at the same time rewarding pre-season effort and also putting in place the core of the defensive structure.

Weitering /Saad/Williams are locks - we were looking at McDonald and McGovern as two 'new' players as well as the 4 above.

 

[CJMB]

Docherty and Stocker being unavailable and Plowman a no-show in the pracy game (what's going on there?) sees Newman/Williamson/Boyd and Philp given the opportunity to show what they've got. at a guess I'd see at most two of these blokes and probably only one of be in the side by round 2. Must not forget though that the game was indeed a practice game - at the same time rewarding pre-season effort and also putting in place the core of the defensive structure.

Weitering /Saad/Williams are locks - we were looking at McDonald and McGovern as two 'new' players as well as the 4 above.

Jack Martin (conditioning) and Lachie Plowman (conditioning) should play in the AAMI Community Series next week...

Looking Cerra ripe: New Blues shine, Saints swingman stars in thriller

Who went well? Gun reporter Riley Beveridge with all the details from the practice match at Ikon Park

www.afl.com.au

This reads like Plowman (& Martin) are not injured but missed due to being in a conditioning block or something like that, hopefully both available to play this week.

 

[JustaBattler]

Looking Cerra ripe: New Blues shine, Saints swingman stars in thriller

Who went well? Gun reporter Riley Beveridge with all the details from the practice match at Ikon Park

www.afl.com.au

This reads like Plowman (& Martin) are not injured but missed due to being in a conditioning block or something like that, hopefully both available to play this week.

Thanks mate - it seems another year of the team not being able to have anywhere near its best 22 fit and firing for the first rounds....

 

[CJMB]

Thanks mate - it seems another year of the team not being able to have anywhere near its best 22 fit and firing for the first rounds....

I interpreted it like the Harry situation; probably would have played if it was the season proper but seeing as it's just a scratch match then no point in putting them out there if they're not bang on 100%.

My read is round 1 we're definitely missing Walsh, Marchbank, Cuningham & Honey and De Koning and Stocker appear close but unlikely. Harry, Martin & Plowman will possibly be playing this week, if not round 1, while Doc should be around the mark too.

Marchbank & Cuningham the only two from that list that will be after round 5 or so. Touch wood.

 

[Jimmyonesix]

Thanks mate - it seems another year of the team not being able to have anywhere near its best 22 fit and firing for the first rounds....

On SEN Lloyd said Martin was being saved and was in a high speed running block physically nothing wrong .. he never mentioned plowman

 

[Pablito]

On SEN Lloyd said Martin was being saved and was in a high speed running block physically nothing wrong .. he never mentioned plowman

Could be they missed a couple of weeks with covid.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Williamson shouldnt be playing wing until he can kick on his right foot. Closes off way too many angles when delivering inside 50 and also taking on the inside 45 kick. I love Willo and he's put in a mountain of work on his body this off season to be matching the likes of Walsh and Cotters in the time trials but his one sidedness has always been a huge detriment to his game. Same with Fish.

 

[jj1978]

What do we think voss thinks about the list? Does he actually rate it? I mean I feel like he would have to think our top 10 players are good in Cripps Walsh weiters McKay Cerra doc Williams Saad and probably Charlie and fisher. There’s other guys like TDK and stocker who are also good. Hewett too. It got brought up today in convo but he’s using a lot of words that downplay us. I don’t know if he’s doing that because he’s trying to take pressure off or if he secretly doesn’t think we are that good i don’t know. Interested to know what you guys think

Considering that Mick behind closed doors didn't "rate" our list and mentioned that we needed a rebuild when he took control, but publicly stated we'd not lose a game, fittest ever, blah blah. Ignore what the coaches say publicly, witness how they play as a team and the ethos they bring as individuals.

If Richmond and Melbourne could play like dopes one year and the next be the best in the league clearly highlights that there is not that much difference between the best and the worst (it's mental, gameplan and confidence). Our problem is in recent years been starting poorly to kick off the season 0-3s and such, by that stage our confidence is sapped and it's like playing catch up, injuries mount and tail end of the season nothing to fight for. If we beat Richmond round 1 that will be huge for us in terms of confidence in game plan, and take a bit off a monkey off our back.

 

[Jimmae]

Mind you, if we're comparing to Newman....well, that's a bloke who never tucks the ball under the arm and takes off. Maybe they're similar in top speed, but in terms of how the play, Willo is the one who is prepared to put the pedal down, while Newman usually pumps the brakes and looks for a target.

No, what you're reading here is garden variety bias being massaged into groupthink.

One viewing of their respective highlights will tell you who is quicker, and who has the higher top speed.

Ignore the arguments that hand-wave away basic logic without data or methodology. Williamson isn't good at change of direction aside from quick cuts, but he's extremely fast for his size.

There are plenty of cases of athletes who run better sprint times on track than they do in their given sporting conditions, but it's not so alarming as to send someone from the top of their draft class down to the bottom of third of their clubs' list, and it certainly doesn't happen without warning whether that be from junior footage or related athletic testing.

 

[onesilop]

Considering that Mick behind closed doors didn't "rate" our list and mentioned that we needed a rebuild when he took control, but publicly stated we'd not lose a game, fittest ever, blah blah. Ignore what the coaches say publicly, witness how they play as a team and the ethos they bring as individuals.

If Richmond and Melbourne could play like dopes one year and the next be the best in the league clearly highlights that there is not that much difference between the best and the worst (it's mental, gameplan and confidence). Our problem is in recent years been starting poorly to kick off the season 0-3s and such, by that stage our confidence is sapped and it's like playing catch up, injuries mount and tail end of the season nothing to fight for. If we beat Richmond round 1 that will be huge for us in terms of confidence in game plan, and take a bit off a monkey off our back.

Was speaking to an AFL player about the importance of Round 1 and he said it is a mental block to be behind the ledger. You feel like you are playing catchup the first 3rd of the season if you lose.

Interesting that it is just another game but might actually impact the emotional energy of the team especially one trying to vastly improve.

 

[Blue since 72]

None of that speaks to leg speed though - I always fancied him as a developing wingman but it seems coaches don't see it that way. he is up against Docherty/Newman/Stocker/Plowman and developing Philp/Boyd.

Same, thought he would make a good wingman, high end speed not as necessary as endurance. Also think Newman could do a job on the wing.

 

[Jimmyonesix]

Same, thought he would make a good wingman, high end speed not as necessary as endurance. Also think Newman could do a job on the wing.

Newman is a foot soldier - depth ..maybe Williamson will be to -- nether of them seem to have awareness around the contest to play wing successfully .