Training 2022 Training Reports

[RonnieRaven]

First year players getting injured shortly before or after getting recruited to the AFL system isn’t a Freo. Happens all other the league in big numbers.

And new recruits via trade is that standard?
going into year 7 of no finals with a decent size rehab group can’t remember having a best 22 out on the park in that time.
Running off loyalty Andy brayshaw and Caleb serong at the moment.

 

[SHill Shall]

And new recruits via trade is that standard?
going into year 7 of no finals with a decent size rehab group can’t remember having a best 22 out on the park in that time.
Running off loyalty Andy brayshaw and Caleb serong at the moment.

Just a really weird take that screams troll.

 

[Docker82]

And new recruits via trade is that standard?
going into year 7 of no finals with a decent size rehab group can’t remember having a best 22 out on the park in that time.
Running off loyalty Andy brayshaw and Caleb serong at the moment.

Even recruiters and player managers have been quoted stating that there’s too many first year players getting injured. It’s a known problem the AFL and development pathways are aware of.

Weird comment about traded players given Brodie and Clark have barely missed a session.

You actually expect to have our whole best 22 on the park? No one ever does ever. Most of our so called recap group are doing unhindered running at this point. Johnson and perhaps Treacy seem to be the only major injuries from the pre season itself. Having players recovering from the previous season’s injuries or off season surgeries is normal for this part of the pre season.

It may not have been the case in the past but injuries aren’t why we didn’t make finals in 2021.

 

[SupermanCapes]

Moneyball theory reveals which AFL teams will rise and fall in the 2022 season

Brutal truth for popular pick to climb; contender can get better: AFL teams who’ll rise and fall

www.foxsports.com.au

This garbage is so frustrating. Yet another example of unimaginative AFL journos co-opting American concepts and misapplying them to our context. These statistical analyses work when a team is playing 162 games (baseball home and away season), not so much when the sample size is 1/7th. Fails to consider the difference a year can make to a list, the players that come in via trade, draft and rehab, the coaching changes, game plan maturity etc etc. Shock that we're the headline sliders...

 

[blue shark]

And new recruits via trade is that standard?
going into year 7 of no finals with a decent size rehab group can’t remember having a best 22 out on the park in that time.
Running off loyalty Andy brayshaw and Caleb serong at the moment.

The club has done plenty to improve, and hasn’t sat on its hands. Not many of the old administration is left.
Has a Bulldog flavour, small club breaking a long lasting drought.
New forwards coach, I don’t think we could do much more?
Webber is gone, so new ideas?
We have seen a smaller rehab group. Then you have covid.

 

[blue shark]

Moneyball theory reveals which AFL teams will rise and fall in the 2022 season

Brutal truth for popular pick to climb; contender can get better: AFL teams who’ll rise and fall

www.foxsports.com.au

This garbage is so frustrating. Yet another example of unimaginative AFL journos co-opting American concepts and misapplying them to our context. These statistical analyses work when a team is playing 162 games (baseball home and away season), not so much when the sample size is 1/7th. Fails to consider the difference a year can make to a list, the players that come in via trade, draft and rehab, the coaching changes, game plan maturity etc etc. Shock that we're the headline sliders...

Basically it says we don’t score so no chance of improvement.
Finger nail analysis at best and no secret.
Fix that and guess what? Play Finals.

 

[Piggy Smalls]

Moneyball theory reveals which AFL teams will rise and fall in the 2022 season

Brutal truth for popular pick to climb; contender can get better: AFL teams who’ll rise and fall

www.foxsports.com.au

This garbage is so frustrating. Yet another example of unimaginative AFL journos co-opting American concepts and misapplying them to our context. These statistical analyses work when a team is playing 162 games (baseball home and away season), not so much when the sample size is 1/7th. Fails to consider the difference a year can make to a list, the players that come in via trade, draft and rehab, the coaching changes, game plan maturity etc etc. Shock that we're the headline sliders...

This article completely overlooks our inaccuracy in front of goal last year too.

 

[RonnieRaven]

Just a really weird take that screams troll.

No troll just still scarred from Bennell hogan hamiling valente Sturt young
Lobb last 3yrs at gws 63 games first 3 with us 45 games.
We are top 4 on the injury table year in year out!
Until otherwise I’m not going to be a happy clapper saying we have no problem with injuries.
If you think I’m trolling can we swap glasses mine is getting low.

 

[PurpleReign]

Moneyball theory reveals which AFL teams will rise and fall in the 2022 season

Brutal truth for popular pick to climb; contender can get better: AFL teams who’ll rise and fall

www.foxsports.com.au

This garbage is so frustrating. Yet another example of unimaginative AFL journos co-opting American concepts and misapplying them to our context. These statistical analyses work when a team is playing 162 games (baseball home and away season), not so much when the sample size is 1/7th. Fails to consider the difference a year can make to a list, the players that come in via trade, draft and rehab, the coaching changes, game plan maturity etc etc. Shock that we're the headline sliders...

I agree with the analysis though.

Despite losing Adam Cerra, the Dockers are a sexy pick to jump into the top eight in 2022; but this stat sounds a word of warning.

While Fremantle was mathematically in the finals race up until the last round, their percentage was worse than Carlton’s and nearly as bad as Collingwood and Hawthorn’s. Their perennial attacking woes saw them rank fourth-last in the AFL for points scored, ahead of only the ladder’s bottom three (Gold Coast, North Melbourne and Collingwood).

Of their 10 wins, just two - against GWS and Sydney - came against top-eight teams, and the Swans win was by just two points. They also inched past Richmond by four points, with those last two games both at home where the Dockers are at least a goal better.

We’re not saying Fremantle can’t improve in 2022 - we see an impressive young midfield just like everyone else does - but the key here is that they’re starting from further back than you think.

Don’t think of the Dockers as being just a win out of the finals (which the ladder says they were) - it’s more like an eight-win team needing to get to 12.

 

[arsesmart]

Moneyball theory reveals which AFL teams will rise and fall in the 2022 season

Brutal truth for popular pick to climb; contender can get better: AFL teams who’ll rise and fall

www.foxsports.com.au

This garbage is so frustrating. Yet another example of unimaginative AFL journos co-opting American concepts and misapplying them to our context. These statistical analyses work when a team is playing 162 games (baseball home and away season), not so much when the sample size is 1/7th. Fails to consider the difference a year can make to a list, the players that come in via trade, draft and rehab, the coaching changes, game plan maturity etc etc. Shock that we're the headline sliders...

Just more grist to feed the content mill.

They also overlooked us giving up a home game to Carlton along with ending an extended road trip with Essendon. Both of which would've hampered us to their direct benefit. They mention both of them as having better Pythagorean equations than us last year.

 

[s_wd6]

I agree with the analysis though.

Despite losing Adam Cerra, the Dockers are a sexy pick to jump into the top eight in 2022; but this stat sounds a word of warning.

While Fremantle was mathematically in the finals race up until the last round, their percentage was worse than Carlton’s and nearly as bad as Collingwood and Hawthorn’s. Their perennial attacking woes saw them rank fourth-last in the AFL for points scored, ahead of only the ladder’s bottom three (Gold Coast, North Melbourne and Collingwood).

Of their 10 wins, just two - against GWS and Sydney - came against top-eight teams, and the Swans win was by just two points. They also inched past Richmond by four points, with those last two games both at home where the Dockers are at least a goal better.

We’re not saying Fremantle can’t improve in 2022 - we see an impressive young midfield just like everyone else does - but the key here is that they’re starting from further back than you think.

Don’t think of the Dockers as being just a win out of the finals (which the ladder says they were) - it’s more like an eight-win team needing to get to 12.

How much of our percentage would've been impacted by our goal kicking accuracy though?

 

[SupermanCapes]

I agree with the analysis though.

Despite losing Adam Cerra, the Dockers are a sexy pick to jump into the top eight in 2022; but this stat sounds a word of warning.

While Fremantle was mathematically in the finals race up until the last round, their percentage was worse than Carlton’s and nearly as bad as Collingwood and Hawthorn’s. Their perennial attacking woes saw them rank fourth-last in the AFL for points scored, ahead of only the ladder’s bottom three (Gold Coast, North Melbourne and Collingwood).

Of their 10 wins, just two - against GWS and Sydney - came against top-eight teams, and the Swans win was by just two points. They also inched past Richmond by four points, with those last two games both at home where the Dockers are at least a goal better.

We’re not saying Fremantle can’t improve in 2022 - we see an impressive young midfield just like everyone else does - but the key here is that they’re starting from further back than you think.

Don’t think of the Dockers as being just a win out of the finals (which the ladder says they were) - it’s more like an eight-win team needing to get to 12.

I'm just not sure I can quite believe that anyone is suggesting we played above our ability last year. We beat many of the teams we were meant to beat, got a couple of handy scalps against eventual top 8 teams and banked another year into a young team. We have to improve to make the 8, no doubt, but like the CBUS ads say, "past performance is not a reliable indicator of future performance".

 

[nurries]

How much of our percentage would've been impacted by our goal kicking accuracy though?

We would of finished 8 if we kicked straight against Essendon. Percentage or not. That was 1 game

 

[Taylor]

If you wanted to dive into it a bit deeper... more useless stat talk



%For and %Against are fair indicators of how dominant your side is both in attack and defense where a high imbalance showing either your own attack is wayward or your opposition was, either by a result of game style or because there is room for improvement.

What I've highlighted above is the teams with a discrepancy between the two ranked by ladder position. It shows that although Melbourne outscores opponents it tends to afford them greater accuracy, meaning easier goals, when it does allow them to score.

You'll notice Fremantle is also a bit of an outlier with a heavy imbalance. We actually sit in the top 8 for defensive conversion (which I'm using as a marker for how hard the team makes it to score against them).

If we are using previous stats to predict the next year then I wouldn't be picking North Melbourne to finish last since they make it as hard to kick a goal per opportunity as the Brisbane Lions so a reduction in opportunities and an increase in their own scoring opportunities could signal a working plan.

The opportunities being key, Fremantle ranks 10th in total goals and behinds, one better than our ladder position. West Coast rank 13th, four worse than their ladder position, similar with St Kilda. Both indicative of teams that over performed due to a favorable conversion rate.



Carlton's under performing based on total scoring opportunities is down to their defensive issues, opposition goals are scored too easily.

I'm sure losing Liam Jones

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Liam Jones

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will assist this stat..

Key point, Fremantle can improve with better accuracy in front of goal, West Coast without that accuracy in front of goal can slip a long way from where they were.

 

[nurries]

We seem to be training with more match sims than previous years, which i think (and hope) is a good thing. Coaching skills are very important but coaching performance under match day conditions i believe will be more beneficial in the long run.

 

[Kapow!!!]

We seem to be training with more match sims than previous years, which i think (and hope) is a good thing. Coaching skills are very important but coaching performance under match day conditions i believe will be more beneficial in the long run.

Also will help with that connection from midfield to forward line targets. The only concern is that most of our Top 22 forward line has been in the rehab group for most of the summer. Should be a more well oiled machine in transition from defence though which will hopefully build confidence and cut down on the costly turnovers in the back half

 

[Walkingwounded]

We seem to be training with more match sims than previous years, which i think (and hope) is a good thing. Coaching skills are very important but coaching performance under match day conditions i believe will be more beneficial in the long run.

We also seem to have more intensity in the training drills.

I was always of the opinion train how you want to play, with intensity.

Also the higher intensity drills are followed up with shots at goal whilst totally flagged out to try and replicate shots at goal whilst body is exhausted

This is part of the new fitness regime at the club… I like it!

 

[warrane eagle]

Hi All

Has there been any further news on Will Brodie

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Will Brodie

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10.8

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3.1

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4.1

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14.0

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4.0

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10.0

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3.0

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1.0

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3.0

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13.8

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2.8

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's injury from yesterday? Nothing on twitter

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Hi All

Has there been any further news on Will Brodie's injury from yesterday? Nothing on twitter

First we've heard of an injury unless I've missed something

 

[poshman]

I'm just not sure I can quite believe that anyone is suggesting we played above our ability last year. We beat many of the teams we were meant to beat, got a couple of handy scalps against eventual top 8 teams and banked another year into a young team. We have to improve to make the 8, no doubt, but like the CBUS ads say, "past performance is not a reliable indicator of future performance".

You just used past performance to make your argument. The article is shallow in that it doesn't mention playing a home game in vic and a couple of other things. Despite that, our attack hasn't improved in the last two seasons. I think we will be in the eight if we can improve there, if not we will be stuck within two spots of are current ladder position (not two spots up the ladder).

We would of finished 8 if we kicked straight against Essendon. Percentage or not. That was 1 game

We should have won that game. We have been saying that for a long time now. It is an area of weakness which should be seen as a negative until we are consistently better. Finals have to be the pass mark this season. Based off scoring and percentage we have a lot to do to improve. While the article is narrow in focus it isn't way off the mark when looking at our weaknesses.

Our biggest issue over the last 5 years has been injuries. We have a more hopeful injury list and the sports guy in his second season. If we can be 20% better from an injury perspective and see Sturt play 20 games, Young 20 games, Chappy 20 games we will improve enough and make a jump next season.

 

[wakojako]

On a random note, Meek looks like he has taken his game to the next level which will be exciting to see. I love how Sandi has trained two weapons for us to use.

 

[DeanS]

On a random note, Meek looks like he has taken his game to the next level which will be exciting to see. I love how Sandi has trained two weapons for us to use.

To be fair, Meek looks like he has taken his TRAINING to the next level. We're yet to see him do anything "next level" in a game.

 

[poshman]

On a random note, Meek looks like he has taken his game to the next level which will be exciting to see. I love how Sandi has trained two weapons for us to use.

Hopefully we can see him dominate Peel and come in and play well for 5-10 games this season. Much more would be a bad injury to Darcy or Lobb, which we don't want. It will be interesting to see what trade offers come for Meek end of year.

 

[SupermanCapes]

You just used past performance to make your argument. The article is shallow in that it doesn't mention playing a home game in vic and a couple of other things. Despite that, our attack hasn't improved in the last two seasons. I think we will be in the eight if we can improve there, if not we will be stuck within two spots of are current ladder position (not two spots up the ladder).

Not quite, I was referring to our performances last season as showing that we did the bare minimum required to get to 10 wins. That doesn't scream overperforming to me.

Nothing to do with how we will perform this season.

 

[theGav56]

Also will help with that connection from midfield to forward line targets. The only concern is that most of our Top 22 forward line has been in the rehab group for most of the summer. Should be a more well oiled machine in transition from defence though which will hopefully build confidence and cut down on the costly turnovers in the back half

Agree it is difficult to have faith in forward line improvement when they aren't out there together.